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[truboy]

Hi guys, i posted here about my experience with Nicotine Patches, was trying to understand what's going on with me. It's been close to 50days since my 2 days usage of 1/12 of NicoDerm Nicotine Patch(for 8 hours a day) and i still have pretty strong anxiety.

I found one guy reporting the same thing:

A few months ago I tried to quit smoking using a generic version of the nicotine patch that I purchased at a local CVS. I used the patch for a few days and some minor side effects such as dizziness, problems sleeping, cold sweats in the middle of the night, and minor stomach pain. I would smoke half a cigarette almost every night after removing the patch ( I realized that was not smart now, after reading post online about it =\ ). Anyways, I decided 4-5 days after using it that I wasn't going to quit smoking, so I took off the patch and stuck some chew in my mouth. I started driving and had a panic attack. I spit the chew out, pulled over and hyperventilated for awhile before continuing on my way to college. Ever since that night 4 months ago I have had anxiety problems, I visited a doctor and he prescribed me (Clonazepam). Taking this pill every night seems to relieve my anxiety by a fair amount, and I keep one with me just in case I have a anxiety attack as it seems to provide immediate relief. After 3 months of taking this pill once a day the doctor told me to cut my dosage by 1/2. The problem is I feel like all the pill did was hold my anxiety at bay and without it I will surely have anxiety attacks daily, it hinders my ability to do anything social for the fear of having a anxiety attack. Im constantly worried about having one. My question is " Can the nicotine patch that I took, that seems to have caused the anxiety, be the source of my anxiety? and if so what can I do about it?" I have no doubt in my mind that I had a nicotine overdose that resulted in this anxiety issues I now have. The doctors I have seen don't seem empathetic to anxiety at all and just brush it off as if it isn't a huge deal ( and trust me it is ) Has anyone else had these seemingly long-term effects from Nicotine patches? What can I do about it :(?

usually i try to solve things my self but now i need your advice. It's seems that for some reason patches have different/more strong effect on BRAIN then cigarettes. Does anybody on this forum have experiences with usage of nicotine patches and experienced anxiety/panic attacks. How long it takes for them to go away?

p.s. all this 50 days i was working out daily, eating healthy, drinking lot's of water, cut all coffee/stimulants... etc

thx very much for your help!

[MrHappy]

This could help:
http://www.longecity...ne-uridine-dha/

There are some nicotine related papers around page 14, from memory.

[truboy]

This could help:
http://www.longecity...ne-uridine-dha/

There are some nicotine related papers around page 14, from memory.

MrHappy thx for your suggestion. I just started taking 250mg UMP in the morning and i see improvement. It seems Uridine indeed helps to balance/restore dopamine system.

[nito]

fuck nicotine. I had no sleep last night and went uni. During the day i smoked a few and hardly ate. Omg there was a fire of butterflies all around my belly randomlly. I think i might have caused some internal damage for real lol.

[MrHappy]

Excellent. I suspect it'll get even better over the next week or so. I'm assuming you're taking the cofactors? Keep me posted?

Once you are satisfied it has or hasn't done the job, would you mind reporting on the 'positive results from uridine' thread? We're going to try compiling all the useful data on this. <chuckle>

Nito - don't worry, you'll be alright soon, keep your chin up.

[JChief]

Hi guys, i posted here about my experience with Nicotine Patches, was trying to understand what's going on with me. It's been close to 50days since my 2 days usage of 1/12 of NicoDerm Nicotine Patch(for 8 hours a day) and i still have pretty strong anxiety.

I found one guy reporting the same thing:

A few months ago I tried to quit smoking using a generic version of the nicotine patch that I purchased at a local CVS. I used the patch for a few days and some minor side effects such as dizziness, problems sleeping, cold sweats in the middle of the night, and minor stomach pain. I would smoke half a cigarette almost every night after removing the patch ( I realized that was not smart now, after reading post online about it =\ ). Anyways, I decided 4-5 days after using it that I wasn't going to quit smoking, so I took off the patch and stuck some chew in my mouth. I started driving and had a panic attack. I spit the chew out, pulled over and hyperventilated for awhile before continuing on my way to college. Ever since that night 4 months ago I have had anxiety problems, I visited a doctor and he prescribed me (Clonazepam). Taking this pill every night seems to relieve my anxiety by a fair amount, and I keep one with me just in case I have a anxiety attack as it seems to provide immediate relief. After 3 months of taking this pill once a day the doctor told me to cut my dosage by 1/2. The problem is I feel like all the pill did was hold my anxiety at bay and without it I will surely have anxiety attacks daily, it hinders my ability to do anything social for the fear of having a anxiety attack. Im constantly worried about having one. My question is " Can the nicotine patch that I took, that seems to have caused the anxiety, be the source of my anxiety? and if so what can I do about it?" I have no doubt in my mind that I had a nicotine overdose that resulted in this anxiety issues I now have. The doctors I have seen don't seem empathetic to anxiety at all and just brush it off as if it isn't a huge deal ( and trust me it is ) Has anyone else had these seemingly long-term effects from Nicotine patches? What can I do about it :(?

usually i try to solve things my self but now i need your advice. It's seems that for some reason patches have different/more strong effect on BRAIN then cigarettes. Does anybody on this forum have experiences with usage of nicotine patches and experienced anxiety/panic attacks. How long it takes for them to go away?

p.s. all this 50 days i was working out daily, eating healthy, drinking lot's of water, cut all coffee/stimulants... etc

thx very much for your help!

Rhodiola Rosea sounds perfect for this scenario. I used the Rosavin brand which after one bottle years back resulted in me never experiencing a full on panic attack since and I quit Klonopin and liquid Prozac as a result. Just sharing what worked for me.

[ScienceGuy]

Hi guys, i posted here about my experience with Nicotine Patches, was trying to understand what's going on with me. It's been close to 50days since my 2 days usage of 1/12 of NicoDerm Nicotine Patch(for 8 hours a day) and i still have pretty strong anxiety.

I found one guy reporting the same thing:

A few months ago I tried to quit smoking using a generic version of the nicotine patch that I purchased at a local CVS. I used the patch for a few days and some minor side effects such as dizziness, problems sleeping, cold sweats in the middle of the night, and minor stomach pain. I would smoke half a cigarette almost every night after removing the patch ( I realized that was not smart now, after reading post online about it =\ ). Anyways, I decided 4-5 days after using it that I wasn't going to quit smoking, so I took off the patch and stuck some chew in my mouth. I started driving and had a panic attack. I spit the chew out, pulled over and hyperventilated for awhile before continuing on my way to college. Ever since that night 4 months ago I have had anxiety problems, I visited a doctor and he prescribed me (Clonazepam). Taking this pill every night seems to relieve my anxiety by a fair amount, and I keep one with me just in case I have a anxiety attack as it seems to provide immediate relief. After 3 months of taking this pill once a day the doctor told me to cut my dosage by 1/2. The problem is I feel like all the pill did was hold my anxiety at bay and without it I will surely have anxiety attacks daily, it hinders my ability to do anything social for the fear of having a anxiety attack. Im constantly worried about having one. My question is " Can the nicotine patch that I took, that seems to have caused the anxiety, be the source of my anxiety? and if so what can I do about it?" I have no doubt in my mind that I had a nicotine overdose that resulted in this anxiety issues I now have. The doctors I have seen don't seem empathetic to anxiety at all and just brush it off as if it isn't a huge deal ( and trust me it is ) Has anyone else had these seemingly long-term effects from Nicotine patches? What can I do about it :(?

usually i try to solve things my self but now i need your advice. It's seems that for some reason patches have different/more strong effect on BRAIN then cigarettes. Does anybody on this forum have experiences with usage of nicotine patches and experienced anxiety/panic attacks. How long it takes for them to go away?

p.s. all this 50 days i was working out daily, eating healthy, drinking lot's of water, cut all coffee/stimulants... etc

thx very much for your help!

Nicotine directly induces anxiety, so the anxiety / panic attacks will carry on for as long as you keep introducing the nicotine into your body. The sensible course of action is to STOP introducing the nicotine into your body. I can highly recommend that you read the book by NEIL CASEY titled "THE NICOTINE TRICK". Reading this book will probably be the best decision you ever made.

[truboy]

Nicotine directly induces anxiety, so the anxiety / panic attacks will carry on for as long as you keep introducing the nicotine into your body. The sensible course of action is to STOP introducing the nicotine into your body. I can highly recommend that you read the book by NEIL CASEY titled "THE NICOTINE TRICK". Reading this book will probably be the best decision you ever made.

Anxiety and panic attacks in some form or another will persist MUCH MUCH longer then Nicotine will stay in your blood. Otherwise it will take us only 3 days to 'quit smoking". In reality depending on individual it can take months or even close to a year for your brain to readjust.

p.s. of cause it depends on person, and the duration of time/dosage you was using nicotine.

Edited by truboy, 14 January 2012 - 02:55 AM.

[truboy]

Rhodiola Rosea sounds perfect for this scenario. I used the Rosavin brand which after one bottle years back resulted in me never experiencing a full on panic attack since and I quit Klonopin and liquid Prozac as a result. Just sharing what worked for me.

awesome JChief, thx for suggestion. I have Rhodiola Rosea, but never actually used it. Will try now!

[ScienceGuy]

Nicotine directly induces anxiety, so the anxiety / panic attacks will carry on for as long as you keep introducing the nicotine into your body. The sensible course of action is to STOP introducing the nicotine into your body. I can highly recommend that you read the book by NEIL CASEY titled "THE NICOTINE TRICK". Reading this book will probably be the best decision you ever made.

Anxiety and panic attacks in some form or another will persist MUCH MUCH longer then Nicotine will stay in your blood. Otherwise it will take us only 3 days to 'quit smoking". In reality depending on individual it can take months or even close to a year for your brain to readjust.

p.s. of cause it depends on person, and the duration of time/dosage you was using nicotine.

You are absolutely correct that typically individuals can and will experience anxiety and panic attacks, and also cravings for nicotine, long after the nicotine has left the body. HOWEVER, this is purely a subconscious PSYCHOLOGICAL phenomenon, which is in fact VERY easily eliminated once you know how.

Reading the book by NEIL CASEY titled "THE NICOTINE TRICK" addresses this subconscious PSYCHOLOGICAL phenomenon, such that you DO NOT experience ANY anxiety or panic attacks or cravings for nicotine or indeed any desire to smoke ever again after the circa 48 hours that it take for the nicotine to leave your system.

Once you fully understand what are exactly the physiological effects of NICOTINE you will understand why NICOTINE REPLACEMENT THERAPY is WHOLLY INEFFECTIVE (this is a statistical medical FACT) and more importantly WHY it is WHOLLY INEFFECTIVE, and why the LAST thing you want to be doing is introducing MORE nicotine into your system.

Technically NICOTINE itself is in fact NOT ADDICTIVE, and NICOTINE in fact DOES NOT induce ANY withdrawal symptoms upon its cessation... This again is a medical FACT

"UGH?!" I hear you say?

The fact of the matter is that what are perceived by individuals to be withdrawal symptoms are in fact NOT withdrawal symptoms but the delayed effects of the nicotine itself.

Furthermore, NICOTINE specifically induces effects indistinguishable by the body from that of FEAR which unless you are aware of it (or more importantly your SUBCONSCIOUS is aware of it) this causes a triggering of your body's 'fight or flight' response and an escalating cascade leading to ANXIETY and PANIC ATTACKS.

Since this is an INVOLUNTARY REFLEX mechanism, it is not enough to simply know what is actually going on when you intake NICOTINE, you need to correct your SUBCONSCIOUS in this regard or else this escalation process will keep happening. By correcting the subconscious and understanding the true physiological process of NICOTINE you sever the connection which causes NICOTINE to 'TRICK' your body into triggering your body's natural 'fight or flight' response leading to ANXIETY and PANIC ATTACKS; and consequently you only experience the stimulating effects of the NICOTINE being fully aware that the what you are feeling is the effects of the NICOTINE itself and once the NICOTINE leaves your system, those effects dissipate, permanently, and forever, never to return, unless of course you intake MORE nicotine.

Like I have already said, READ THE BOOK and you will understand. EVERYONE who smokes should read it. It's BRILLIANT.

I went from smoking 40 cigarettes a day to ZERO, completely cold turkey, and experienced NO withdrawal symptoms (which in fact do not actually exist anyway) and NO desire to smoke ever again whatsoever...

Edited by ScienceGuy, 14 January 2012 - 01:12 PM.

[truboy]

Rhodiola Rosea sounds perfect for this scenario. I used the Rosavin brand which after one bottle years back resulted in me never experiencing a full on panic attack since and I quit Klonopin and liquid Prozac as a result. Just sharing what worked for me.

JChief what dosage you was taking and at what time? First 2 days Rhodiola Rosea helped, but now didn't see positive effects anymore.

thx. been 2 months since last nicotine usage, but i still sometimes have HELL days.

[truboy]

Don't like writing this, but i simply feel like loosing my self.
it's been 2months and a half since my 2 days usage if nicotine patch.

Last week was relatively good. I managed to control my emotions. Manage to be caring in relationships, manage to handle stressful situations.

But it followed by 3 hell days, i simply can't control my self. It's 3am now. Tomorrow i need to go to work, can't go sleep. Had big fight with my GF, made her cry, i am just super terrible person to be around... I lose respect for my roommate, from GF, from friends.
It's hard then i do smng stupid, smng bad and say "sorry it's cause of nicotine cravings". Nobody believes me anymore.

I simply can't understand why it was good for week, and hell come back again. I was always very sensitive to supplements, never took drugs, and i've used nicotine patch for "motivation/concentration" purposes. It was the worst decision i've eve made. Feels terrible and i don't know if there is and end.

Last couple of days i spend some time outdoors(cold weather, NJ winter) -i thought maybe this can contribute to cravings. Found guy who have nicotine cravings only in winter. Seems this can be the reason.

Just want to.... tell what i am feeling, it's hard......... worst time in my life.......

[What'sAllThisThen]

I've seen you mention "cravings" in your various threads on this issue, but mostly you mention anxiety and such. I've had bad anxiety in the past, so I feel for ya.

Are you actually having cravings? Craving = a desire for using another nicotine patch.

Or when you say craving, do you just mean you desire relief from anxiety? Or do you consider any negative feeling (anxiety, irritability, etc.) a craving?

[nito]

Excellent. I suspect it'll get even better over the next week or so. I'm assuming you're taking the cofactors? Keep me posted?

Once you are satisfied it has or hasn't done the job, would you mind reporting on the 'positive results from uridine' thread? We're going to try compiling all the useful data on this. <chuckle>

Nito - don't worry, you'll be alright soon, keep your chin up.

Ok so i am chewing nicotine gum (2mg) right now. Hopefully this will replace the smoking and the pouches i buy. I hope i don't end up being addictive to nicotine gum becasue it seems anything that has nicotine destroys the uridine trial appearantly.

[truboy]

I've seen you mention "cravings" in your various threads on this issue, but mostly you mention anxiety and such. I've had bad anxiety in the past, so I feel for ya.

Are you actually having cravings? Craving = a desire for using another nicotine patch.

Or when you say craving, do you just mean you desire relief from anxiety? Or do you consider any negative feeling (anxiety, irritability, etc.) a craving?

i don't have desire to use nicotine patch at all. It's just that i can't handle stress/control my emotions like before. It's pretty strange feeling. It's like some "vibrating" spot in my brain that gives emotional pain which makes me irritable/anxious/nervous. If you ever see how drug addict behaves when he needs another dosage - it's kind of the same, but weaker version.

Pretty sure it's just matter of time. Former smokers says it's usually takes 6months - 12months for cravings to disappear.

[MrHappy]

Are you taking any B vitamins, zinc or magnesium, currently?

Actually, perhaps you could list your current protocol, might speed this up?

[protoject]

Nicotine directly induces anxiety, so the anxiety / panic attacks will carry on for as long as you keep introducing the nicotine into your body. The sensible course of action is to STOP introducing the nicotine into your body. I can highly recommend that you read the book by NEIL CASEY titled "THE NICOTINE TRICK". Reading this book will probably be the best decision you ever made.

Anxiety and panic attacks in some form or another will persist MUCH MUCH longer then Nicotine will stay in your blood. Otherwise it will take us only 3 days to 'quit smoking". In reality depending on individual it can take months or even close to a year for your brain to readjust.

p.s. of cause it depends on person, and the duration of time/dosage you was using nicotine.

You are absolutely correct that typically individuals can and will experience anxiety and panic attacks, and also cravings for nicotine, long after the nicotine has left the body. HOWEVER, this is purely a subconscious PSYCHOLOGICAL phenomenon, which is in fact VERY easily eliminated once you know how.

Reading the book by NEIL CASEY titled "THE NICOTINE TRICK" addresses this subconscious PSYCHOLOGICAL phenomenon, such that you DO NOT experience ANY anxiety or panic attacks or cravings for nicotine or indeed any desire to smoke ever again after the circa 48 hours that it take for the nicotine to leave your system.

Once you fully understand what are exactly the physiological effects of NICOTINE you will understand why NICOTINE REPLACEMENT THERAPY is WHOLLY INEFFECTIVE (this is a statistical medical FACT) and more importantly WHY it is WHOLLY INEFFECTIVE, and why the LAST thing you want to be doing is introducing MORE nicotine into your system.

Technically NICOTINE itself is in fact NOT ADDICTIVE, and NICOTINE in fact DOES NOT induce ANY withdrawal symptoms upon its cessation... This again is a medical FACT

"UGH?!" I hear you say?

The fact of the matter is that what are perceived by individuals to be withdrawal symptoms are in fact NOT withdrawal symptoms but the delayed effects of the nicotine itself.

Furthermore, NICOTINE specifically induces effects indistinguishable by the body from that of FEAR which unless you are aware of it (or more importantly your SUBCONSCIOUS is aware of it) this causes a triggering of your body's 'fight or flight' response and an escalating cascade leading to ANXIETY and PANIC ATTACKS.

Since this is an INVOLUNTARY REFLEX mechanism, it is not enough to simply know what is actually going on when you intake NICOTINE, you need to correct your SUBCONSCIOUS in this regard or else this escalation process will keep happening. By correcting the subconscious and understanding the true physiological process of NICOTINE you sever the connection which causes NICOTINE to 'TRICK' your body into triggering your body's natural 'fight or flight' response leading to ANXIETY and PANIC ATTACKS; and consequently you only experience the stimulating effects of the NICOTINE being fully aware that the what you are feeling is the effects of the NICOTINE itself and once the NICOTINE leaves your system, those effects dissipate, permanently, and forever, never to return, unless of course you intake MORE nicotine.

Like I have already said, READ THE BOOK and you will understand. EVERYONE who smokes should read it. It's BRILLIANT.

I went from smoking 40 cigarettes a day to ZERO, completely cold turkey, and experienced NO withdrawal symptoms (which in fact do not actually exist anyway) and NO desire to smoke ever again whatsoever...

Wow, I have to say, this actually applies to a lot of drugs out there, not just nicotine. Im glad someone else said it