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[normalizing]

verdego relax man. sniff lemon oil or whatever else works for you to relax, beause you have been going abundant in personal experience reports about how awesome lemon oil is in this thread with dozen explanations on and on for many posts now. just, sniff and chill.

Edited by normalizing, 30 May 2015 - 10:02 AM.

[Fenix_]

Is it ok to just drink this stuff? Anyone tried it?

[VerdeGo]

I'm sorry, but I become exceedingly thrilled when something works better than expensive supplements or certain dangerous, addictive pharmaceuticals. I wish someone would've told me about essential oils much sooner, because I would've saved hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars and hours on supplements in a span of a decade that stop working after a week and give strange side effects. Diet is essential for feeling well, and the terpenes have excellent antioxidant ratings. Clove oil, for instance, has an ORAC rating of over 1,000,000. Compared to blueberries with 2400:

 

http://www.biosource...ential-oils.htm

 

Just sharing my enthusiasm for something effective and healthy in hopes it helps someone else to rebound from low serotonin, dopamine, endorphins, etc. like certain oils have helped me. Just sayin...

 

And I'll continue to report my experiences with certain oils (with their excellent safety profiles) because this, after all, is a Brain Health forum. Just tryin to cut through the ignorance and misconception people have concerning this stuff. 

 

Fenix, I wouldn't advise drinking the stuff straight out of the bottle. Scroll up to view the reports of how others tried ingesting it. It usually involves diluting 20+ drops in a full glass of water for the alleged psychedelic effects, though a safer method would be diluting it in a carrier oil and rubbing it on your wrist and starting out with small doses until you see how your react to it. . 

[BrainFrost]

I was hoping to recreate your experience with lemon oil VerdeGo, but no luck. 

 

Type: Lemon Essential Oil

Brand: PlantLife

Applied: Inhalation and topical, no carrier.

Duration: 2-3 days

 

I got a mild clear headedness but not nearly the level that you did. Glad it's working for you though, maybe you can experiment with more types to find out why. 

[VerdeGo]

Thanks for the input. I plan to use lemon again soon to see if the same effects are achieved. There's been one OSU study out there that looks at lavender and lemon for mood and immune response. They stated both had no detectable improvement in the immune system, and that lavender had no effect on mood. However they were forced to admit "a clear mood enhancement" from lemon oil, further confirming how I felt. I also received no mood benefit from lavender, as it seems to only relax me. The ORAC ratings of both oils are relatively low, only a bit higher than edible corn, so I'm not surprised. I'd be interested to see what studies have been done on clove oil (highest ORAC rating of any known substance) with its benefits on the immune system or other systems in the body, but I haven't had time to research. 

 

Yesterday I tried orange oil (sweet orange and wild orange) through inhalation. I definitely felt mildly more stimulated, but orange seems more of a mood stabilizer than a mood elevator. It actually brought my good mood down to baseline. I was quite disappointed, and I became quite negative for no reason about 8 hours after inhalation. Not only did I have unusual intrusive negative thoughts out of nowhere, but I was full of physical anxiety driving home from work that night. This isn't the norm for me since I follow a proper diet, exercise, and meditate on a regular basis. I see that orange oil contains different constituents than lemon (except for the limonene), so perhaps it was the myrcene or the octanal that didn't jive with me. I also felt very physically run down today. Exercise nor meditation helped, and seemed to aggravate how I was feeling. Mood was fine, just physically beat for no apparent reason, with a tightness in my head. Nearly back to normal now.

 

All I know is lavender consistently produces the same effects every time I use it (over a dozen times now), which are very noticeable. And the next day I feel wonderful. So I think it's a matter of picking an oil that best suits your needs. Thankfully most are inexpensive and easy to try out in a store before purchasing. It seems that our brain chemistry and the concentration of the oil are the wildcards. If you're riding high on serotonin, then I'm not sure you'll notice the elevated mood as much as someone who is downright depressed. I was neither at the time I tried it, just baseline. Serotonin antagonists can produce different effects in different people (l-lysine, for example). Good luck. Will keep you posted. 

[Fenix_]

I drank 1mL of nutmeg oil today, diluted in a glass of water. Effects were felt at +30 minutes and are still going strong now at +8 hours. It definitely feels like a psychedelic, similar to mescaline. Effects are mild. I find that I am able to study effectively (trying to memorize ions), and piracetam + DMAE goes well in combination, as does green tea + ginger.

[Ark]

Some homeopathy therapies are useful including lemon oil. But IMHO opinion it's usefulness is overblown by it's advocates who seemingly swear it is effecting them in many ways beyond the scope of what is even nearly possible. I call it the "half placebo effect".


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Homeopathy began in the 18th century with a German doctor called Samuel Hahnemann. Peeved that medical treatments, such as blood letting, were not as kind to patients as they might be, he began the search for alternatives. He struck on cinchona bark. The Peruvian plant product was taken as a remedy for malaria, but how it worked was a mystery. Fit and healthy, Hahnemann took some and noticed he broke out in fever. He reasoned that what caused fever cured fever. From that sole experience he established one of the central tenets of homeopathy: that like cures like.

Nature has been humanity’s greatest source of medicines and cinchona was soon to join them. Scientists established that whatever eating the bark might do to the body, it was the quinine in the plant matter that was antimalarial. However, Hahnemann stuck to his guns, and he went on to reach a second conviction, that preparations are more potent the more they are diluted. The popularity of homeopathy rocketed in the early 19th century, with the first dedicated hospital opening in 1832.

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Scientific, and unscientific, studies abound on homeopathy. To date, there is no convincing evidence that like cures like; that water retains a memory of the molecules it once held, as practitioners maintain; or that extreme dilutions of substances have pharmaceutical effects. What studies do show is that homeopathic preparations, and a good chat with someone who emphathises with their patients, can induce a placebo response that makes some people feel better.

Individual studies rarely count for much in medicine. They need to be replicated before they are believed. With this in mind, the Cochrane collaboration assesses medical interventions after pooling results from the highest quality studies published. Since 2008, the organisation has carried out a series of studies which found no good evidence that homeopathy helps flu, chronic asthma, dementia, irritable bowel syndrome, or the induction of labour. They found hints that homeopathy might help some specific skin complaints caused by radiotherapy and chemotherapy for cancer, but said that trials needed repeating to confirm any benefit.

In 2010, the Commons science and technology committee published a report on homeopathy and its provision on the National Health Service. It had little time for the central pillars of homeopathy, that like cured like, or that ultra-dilutions retained an imprint of substances previously dissolved in them, calling the latter claim “scientifically implausible”. The report went on to state that there was overwhelming evidence that homeopathic preparations performed no better than placebos.

The report was even more critical of homeopathy being funded by the taxpayer through the NHS, and called on government to cut its support. Providing homeopathy on the NHS damaged trust between patients and doctor, gave patients false assurance by endorsing homeopathy, and contradicted the NHS constitution, which says people have the right to expect that decisions made on drugs and treatments are based on “proper consideration of the evidence”.

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Sugar pills and other homeopathic preparations contain so little that side effects are surely minimal. But homeopathy is not without risks. In 2012, Edzard Ernst, the UK’s outspoken critic of alternative medicines, published a review of harmful effects arising from the use of homeopathic preparations. The study found 1,159 patients ran into problems. Four died. Often taking homeopathy had delayed their treatment with effective medicines, or meant they were never given.

In his book, Trick or Treatment, co-authored with the science writer Simon Singh, Ernst recounts the case of a homeopath who was collaborating with his research team while treating herself for cancer with homeopathy. She died, he believes, because she did not have proper treatment in time. Other patients in Ernst’s study came to harm after experiencing allergic reactions to the preparations they took.

The latest report to write off homeopathy is published by Australia’s National Health and Medical Research Council. After an extensive review, it found that “there are no health conditions for which there is reliable evidence that homeopathy is effective”. It went further, adding that homeopathy should not be used to treat health conditions that are chronic, serious, or that could become serious, and warned that people who used the preparations could put their health at risk, by rejecting or delaying more effective medicines. In short, it echoes what the Cochrane collaboration, and the Commons science and technology committee, have already said.

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clogexpat 11 Mar 2015 10:57

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The treatments themselves may well have no effect beyond the placebo, but I'm sure that the personal interaction with someone who has time to listen and sympathise contributes to the body's own powers of self-healing. The NHS should perhaps offer bedside manner for free, even for time-wasters.

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'The NHS should perhaps offer bedside manner for free, even for time-wasters' - they already do if you look at data on who thinks they need an ambulance, urgent GP appointment or A&E visit.
http://www.co-operat...e-NHS-millions/

The NHS spends so much time telling people not too worry that those who really do need attention have to wait longer, or put up with brief consultations

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chrystophylax clogexpat 11 Mar 2015 11:44

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The NHS should charge a £10 fee per visit to the GP.

You'll soon see how many people needing 'sympathy' can find it elsewhere and not at taxpayers' expense.

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Using the tenet of like curing like, it therefore is rock solid logic that the best treatment for the victim of a car crash is another car crash.

Thats why when i run someone over, i always back up and run over them again. You're welcome.

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Homeopathy began in the 18th century with a German doctor called Samuel Hahnemann. Peeved that medical treatments, such as blood letting, were not as kind to patients as they might be, he began the search for alternatives. He struck on cinchona bark. The Peruvian plant product was taken as a remedy for malaria, but how it worked was a mystery. Fit and healthy, Hahnemann took some and noticed he broke out in fever. He reasoned that what caused fever cured fever. From that sole experience he established one of the central tenets of homeopathy: that like cures like.

Nature has been humanity’s greatest source of medicines and cinchona was soon to join them. Scientists established that whatever eating the bark might do to the body, it was the quinine in the plant matter that was antimalarial. However, Hahnemann stuck to his guns, and he went on to reach a second conviction, that preparations are more potent the more they are diluted. The popularity of homeopathy rocketed in the early 19th century, with the first dedicated hospital opening in 1832.

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Scientific, and unscientific, studies abound on homeopathy. To date, there is no convincing evidence that like cures like; that water retains a memory of the molecules it once held, as practitioners maintain; or that extreme dilutions of substances have pharmaceutical effects. What studies do show is that homeopathic preparations, and a good chat with someone who emphathises with their patients, can induce a placebo response that makes some people feel better.

Individual studies rarely count for much in medicine. They need to be replicated before they are believed. With this in mind, the Cochrane collaboration assesses medical interventions after pooling results from the highest quality studies published. Since 2008, the organisation has carried out a series of studies which found no good evidence that homeopathy helps flu, chronic asthma, dementia, irritable bowel syndrome, or the induction of labour. They found hints that homeopathy might help some specific skin complaints caused by radiotherapy and chemotherapy for cancer, but said that trials needed repeating to confirm any benefit.

In 2010, the Commons science and technology committee published a report on homeopathy and its provision on the National Health Service. It had little time for the central pillars of homeopathy, that like cured like, or that ultra-dilutions retained an imprint of substances previously dissolved in them, calling the latter claim “scientifically implausible”. The report went on to state that there was overwhelming evidence that homeopathic preparations performed no better than placebos.

The report was even more critical of homeopathy being funded by the taxpayer through the NHS, and called on government to cut its support. Providing homeopathy on the NHS damaged trust between patients and doctor, gave patients false assurance by endorsing homeopathy, and contradicted the NHS constitution, which says people have the right to expect that decisions made on drugs and treatments are based on “proper consideration of the evidence”.

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Sugar pills and other homeopathic preparations contain so little that side effects are surely minimal. But homeopathy is not without risks. In 2012, Edzard Ernst, the UK’s outspoken critic of alternative medicines, published a review of harmful effects arising from the use of homeopathic preparations. The study found 1,159 patients ran into problems. Four died. Often taking homeopathy had delayed their treatment with effective medicines, or meant they were never given.

In his book, Trick or Treatment, co-authored with the science writer Simon Singh, Ernst recounts the case of a homeopath who was collaborating with his research team while treating herself for cancer with homeopathy. She died, he believes, because she did not have proper treatment in time. Other patients in Ernst’s study came to harm after experiencing allergic reactions to the preparations they took.

The latest report to write off homeopathy is published by Australia’s National Health and Medical Research Council. After an extensive review, it found that “there are no health conditions for which there is reliable evidence that homeopathy is effective”. It went further, adding that homeopathy should not be used to treat health conditions that are chronic, serious, or that could become serious, and warned that people who used the preparations could put their health at risk, by rejecting or delaying more effective medicines. In short, it echoes what the Cochrane collaboration, and the Commons science and technology committee, have already said.

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The treatments themselves may well have no effect beyond the placebo, but I'm sure that the personal interaction with someone who has time to listen and sympathise contributes to the body's own powers of self-healing. The NHS should perhaps offer bedside manner for free, even for time-wasters.

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'The NHS should perhaps offer bedside manner for free, even for time-wasters' - they already do if you look at data on who thinks they need an ambulance, urgent GP appointment or A&E visit.
http://www.co-operat...e-NHS-millions/

The NHS spends so much time telling people not too worry that those who really do need attention have to wait longer, or put up with brief consultations

Report

chrystophylax clogexpat 11 Mar 2015 11:44

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The NHS should charge a £10 fee per visit to the GP.

You'll soon see how many people needing 'sympathy' can find it elsewhere and not at taxpayers' expense.

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You don't say.

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HaveYouFedTheFish mypumas 12 Mar 2015 4:49

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Using the tenet of like curing like, it therefore is rock solid logic that the best treatment for the victim of a car crash is another car crash.

Thats why when i run someone over, i always back up and run over them again. You're welcome.

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[VerdeGo]

I'll repost here a study I posted in another thread:

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/16780969

 

Behav Brain Res. 2006 Sep 25;172(2):240-9. Epub 2006 Jun 15.

Lemon oil vapor causes an anti-stress effect via modulating the 5-HT and DA activities in mice.

Komiya M1, Takeuchi T, Harada E.

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Abstract

We examined the anti-stress action of the essential oils of lavender, rose, and lemon using an elevated plus-maze task (EPM), a forced swimming task (FST), and an open field task (OFT) in mice. Lemon oil had the strongest anti-stress effect in all three behavioral tasks. We further investigated a regulatory mechanism of the lemon oil by pre-treatments with agonists or antagonists to benzodiazepine, 5-HT, DA, and adrenaline receptors by the EPM and the FST. The anti-stress effect of lemon oil was significantly blocked by pre-treatment with frumazenil, benzodiazepine receptor antagonist, or apomorphine, a nonselective DA receptor agonist. In contrast, agonists or antagonists to the 5-HT receptor and the alpha-2 adrenaline receptor did not affect the anti-stress effect of lemon oil. Buspirone, DOI, and mianserine blocked the antidepressant-like effect of lemon oil in the FST, but WAY100,635 did not. These findings suggest that the antidepressant-like effect of lemon oil is closely related with the 5-HTnergic pathway, especially via 5-HT(1A) receptor. Moreover, the lemon oil significantly accelerated the metabolic turnover of DA in the hippocampus and of 5-HT in the prefrontal cortex and striatum. These results suggest that lemon oil possesses anxiolytic, antidepressant-like effects via the suppression of DA activity related to enhanced 5-HTnergic neurons.

 

[normalizing]

ark, can you simmer down with your flooding? you are all over the place regularly now pasting and flooding and spreading GARBAGE. just relax ok?

[Arcanist]

The effects of EOs are not Placebo. It has been established by Research of the Ruhr-Uiversity in Bochum, Germany, a leading faculty on aroma and scent-research that the compnents of

EOs (Cienol, Linalool, Geraniol and many more) are absorbed by not only the nasal mucous mambrane but by receptors in the intestins (when igested), receptor in injured skin (Sandalwood and lavender accelaerate wound-healing)and they have recently discovered five active human pheromone receptors that are still active. Hedione, a common ingredient in fine fragrances, binds to one and has distinct neurological effects. 3 other musk-related substances are pending for patent.

The action of the stuff is real, the research in Bochum has started full throttle now.

Look up the papers of Prof. Hanns Hatt of RUB, head of the faculty for Cellphysilogy and recently made President of the roof framework of the german union of the academies of science - no shit. Sherlock. Get those EOs before the FDA gets alook in

[Area-1255]

The problem I have is EO's is that there are several pharmacological effects with aromatherpies. Some are more clear than others; lemon oil is not one of them. 

5-HT3 antagonism has anti-anxiety effects but not anti-depressant effects..it may however, help memory and such. The problem, is since the 'oil' activates other receptors; we can't even rely on those effects. 1A agonists have some very OPPOSITE effects to both 3A and 2C antagonists. 

 

 

Synapse. 1998 Jul;29(3):257-68.

Inhibition of NMDA-receptor mediated response in the rat medial prefrontal cortical pyramidal cells by the 5-HT3 receptor agonist SR 57227A and 5-HT: intracellular studies.

Liang X1, Arvanov VL, Wang RY.

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Abstract

The techniques of intracellular recording and single-electrode voltage-clamp were used to study the effect of serotonin (5-HT) and the selective 5-HT3 receptor agonist SR 57227A on N-methyl-D-aspartic acid (NMDA)-evoked responses in pyramidal cells of the rat medial prefrontal cortex (mPFC) in in vitro brain slice preparations. Bath application of 5-HT or SR 57227A produced a concentration-dependent inhibition of NMDA-induced membrane depolarization, action potentials, and inward current. The depressant action of 5-HT and SR 57227A had a slow onset and showed no signs of receptor desensitization. This action was markedly attenuated or completely blocked by the selective 5-HT3 receptor antagonists granisetron and BRL 46470A, but not other receptor antagonists. In addition to inhibiting NMDA-evoked responses, SR 57227A also depressed significantly pharmacologically isolated, NMDA receptor-mediated, monosynaptic excitatory postsynaptic currents (EPSCs) elicited by electrical stimulation of the forceps minor; this inhibitory action was blocked by BRL 46470A but not other 5-HT receptor antagonists. Perfusion of Ca2+-free or low Ca2+ plus Cd2+ artificial cerebrospinal fluid prevented electrical stimulation-induced EPSCs, but did not affect the inhibitory action of 5-HT and SR 57227A. In conclusion, we demonstrate for the first time that 5-HT and SR 57227A interact with 5-HT3-like receptors to produce a direct inhibitory action on NMDA receptor-mediated response in pyramidal cells of the mPFC.

PMID:   9635896   [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

Edited by Area-1255, 20 September 2015 - 05:15 PM.

[ShadowWolf]

Am I missing something or did no one mention dosages? The only thing I can find is where VerdeGo mentions people "tripping balls" on 20-50 drops of essential lemon oil. I just got my order in the mail, drank 10 drops in water, and don't really feel much. Should I drink 10 more drops, or would I be pushing myself into the "tripping balls" territory?

[dazed1]

Google Robert Tisserand, and stop with the placebo nonsense.