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[fifth]

Would it make sense to compare the average runner with a normal diet to someone who consumes only a vegan diet? As vegan diets contain hardly any fat but enough water to repopulate your body so that your skin doesn't get as damaged and your muscles stay hydrated. This seems to me like a decent way to weed out the carbohydrates and other theory's that are flying around.

[JBForrester]

Would it make sense to compare the average runner with a normal diet to someone who consumes only a vegan diet? As vegan diets contain hardly any fat but enough water to repopulate your body so that your skin doesn't get as damaged and your muscles stay hydrated. This seems to me like a decent way to weed out the carbohydrates and other theory's that are flying around.

Eh? Vegan diets contain hardly any fat? Maybe animal fat, but they certainly eat fat, my friend. Avocados, olive oils, nuts, seeds, coconut oil, etc. Fat is very much needed in a long-distance runner, as are carbs.

If anything, my personal theory on why so many runners look older is that they don't eat enough calories. Especially in the form of carbs. I say this from personal experience: I was eating very little up until a few weeks ago - mainly because I would forget to eat, having no appetite and eating very little carbs - while at the same time exercising 4 times a week in the form of running. I had low energy, and the fat on my body was at a minimum. Well, a few weeks ago I decided to buy french bread every week, along with whole wheat bread, eat one or the other every meal, along with my veggies and meats/seafood. I not only have gained back subcutaneous fat to my face, but as a result, I look much younger.

Also, the ceramides in wheat flour are dire for maintaining the skin barrier function:

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/12553851
https://docs.google....Hu_0fHVq2DVK78A

[Maecenas]

http://www.youthcorr...ng-and-exercised
It seems that skin bouncing caused by running is the main culprit of runners old looking faces.And I don't think that sun is the main reason. If you look at the average 50 years old man who spent all his life in the sun, his face still looks much better than the face of lifelong 50 years old runner. And weight isn't important either.40 minutes long running workout gives your face up to 10000 bouncing movements which destroy skin's elastic fibers. What do you think about this?

[zorba990]

http://www.youthcorr...ng-and-exercised
It seems that skin bouncing caused by running is the main culprit of runners old looking faces.And I don't think that sun is the main reason. If you look at the average 50 years old man who spent all his life in the sun, his face still looks much better than the face of lifelong 50 years old runner. And weight isn't important either.40 minutes long running workout gives your face up to 10000 bouncing movements which destroy skin's elastic fibers. What do you think about this?

By that logic sprinters would look the worst. What do you think of this lady. http://www.finermind...r-old-sprinter/

[JBForrester]

http://www.youthcorr...ng-and-exercised
It seems that skin bouncing caused by running is the main culprit of runners old looking faces.And I don't think that sun is the main reason. If you look at the average 50 years old man who spent all his life in the sun, his face still looks much better than the face of lifelong 50 years old runner. And weight isn't important either.40 minutes long running workout gives your face up to 10000 bouncing movements which destroy skin's elastic fibers. What do you think about this?

By that logic sprinters would look the worst. What do you think of this lady. http://www.finermind...r-old-sprinter/

So would this woman. She has been running 10 miles per day for 20+ years.

It would be interesting to look at Hollywood stars and what kind of exercise habits they take up, or have taken up over the years, then compare their younger faces to older.

[nowayout]

http://www.youthcorr...ng-and-exercised
It seems that skin bouncing caused by running is the main culprit of runners old looking faces.And I don't think that sun is the main reason. If you look at the average 50 years old man who spent all his life in the sun, his face still looks much better than the face of lifelong 50 years old runner. And weight isn't important either.40 minutes long running workout gives your face up to 10000 bouncing movements which destroy skin's elastic fibers. What do you think about this?

By that logic sprinters would look the worst. What do you think of this lady. http://www.finermind...r-old-sprinter/

How is that? A 100 meter sprint takes a little over 10 seconds, and sprinters train in short intense bursts, as opposed to hours for long distance running.

Edited by nowayout, 21 May 2013 - 04:23 PM.

[zorba990]

http://www.youthcorr...ng-and-exercised
It seems that skin bouncing caused by running is the main culprit of runners old looking faces.And I don't think that sun is the main reason. If you look at the average 50 years old man who spent all his life in the sun, his face still looks much better than the face of lifelong 50 years old runner. And weight isn't important either.40 minutes long running workout gives your face up to 10000 bouncing movements which destroy skin's elastic fibers. What do you think about this?

By that logic sprinters would look the worst. What do you think of this lady. http://www.finermind...r-old-sprinter/

How is that? A 100 meter sprint takes a little over 10 seconds, and sprinters train in short intense bursts, as opposed to hours for long distance running.

Re 40 minutes. Sprinters train intervals for at least that long pulling way more Gs against their faces.

Edited by zorba990, 21 May 2013 - 04:29 PM.

[nowayout]

http://www.youthcorr...ng-and-exercised
It seems that skin bouncing caused by running is the main culprit of runners old looking faces.And I don't think that sun is the main reason. If you look at the average 50 years old man who spent all his life in the sun, his face still looks much better than the face of lifelong 50 years old runner. And weight isn't important either.40 minutes long running workout gives your face up to 10000 bouncing movements which destroy skin's elastic fibers. What do you think about this?

By that logic sprinters would look the worst. What do you think of this lady. http://www.finermind...r-old-sprinter/

I am not sure what you are trying to say, but if it is that sprinters look good for their age, she is not a good example of a well preserved 66 year old. My parents are close to 70 (i.e., older than her) but she looks at least 10-15 years older than my parents.

Edited by nowayout, 21 May 2013 - 04:33 PM.

[zorba990]

She is 95.

[nowayout]

She is 95.

Oops.

[Maecenas]

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22306609
Prolonged heat exposure also seems to be harmful for skin

[maya2013]

it might because of men doesn't spend his time in massaging face or not taking any electrolyte drinks that's why the skin sometimes runs out of water too

[madanthony]

Exercise causes oxidative stress. The net effect of moderate exercise is normally positive, but at some point it's too much. I saw some studies awhile back.Though, I don't know if anyone knows If or how much that affects a person face and skin. I think it may explain part of it.

Fat in your face actually looks better, softer, smoother, less wrinkles. Lower overall body fat does the opposite.

Or, maybe we are confusing cause and effect: maybe it's ugly people trying to compensate. :-)

I vote for oxidative stress. Running is more punishing n your body than swimming so more oxidative stress. Take high dose antioxidants if you engage in punishing sports. I do. (See Dr. Colgan Sports Nutrition...he noted Olympic athletes actually get sick from workouts w/o enough Vitamin E)

fyi, not sure if the post is about how to preserve skin or really about the skin of runners. One thing aging skin needs of which most people seem unaware is COPPER. That is because your hormones help you absorb it and w/o youthful hormone levels you have a heck of a time getting enough. It is required for cross-linking of collagen, w/o which the skin is thin and weak and subject to aneurism and wrinkles and sags.

[Raptor87]

I think that water retention play's an important role for facial skin.

There seems to be some kind of anti- running advocacy here on this forum but I think running is actually healthy for you. I think this ted talk say's it all.

http://www.ted.com/t...orn_to_run.html

[JBForrester]

So when we say runners, however, are we talking about long-distance runners? Because I know many who run 30-45 minutes per day and look amazing. They don't do marathons or anything as such though. Also, when getting ready for competitions or photo shoots, most fitness models do cardio every day in the morning, about 30-45 mins, before their weights later in the day. Though I will admit the look of competition mode is quite intense.

Edited by JBForrester, 09 August 2013 - 04:56 PM.

[RJ23_1989]

Exercise when done in moderation is a good thing. Doing 100-120 miles of running a week (as many serious marathoners do) is not. Some people have a tendency to take exercise to extremes and at that point the normal benefits disappear and the activity becomes counterproductive for health. This applies to any type of sport or exercise.

I have many friends in the local running/triathlon groups and some of them look downright terrible for their age. I really do believe its due to a combination of several things - oxidative stress from extreme mileage, poor nutrient intake/esp. adequate protein, sun/wind/element exposure, and hormone deficiencies brought on by inadequate nutrition and excessive mileage.

[Raptor87]

Exercise when done in moderation is a good thing. Doing 100-120 miles of running a week (as many serious marathoners do) is not. Some people have a tendency to take exercise to extremes and at that point the normal benefits disappear and the activity becomes counterproductive for health. This applies to any type of sport or exercise.

I have many friends in the local running/triathlon groups and some of them look downright terrible for their age. I really do believe its due to a combination of several things - oxidative stress from extreme mileage, poor nutrient intake/esp. adequate protein, sun/wind/element exposure, and hormone deficiencies brought on by inadequate nutrition and excessive mileage.

I think that running is addictive in the terms of long runs, it's just like rock climbing. Once you reach over your peak you wan't to top that , otherwise you don't feel the same sense of accomplishment.

[RJ23_1989]

I think that running is addictive in the terms of long runs, it's just like rock climbing. Once you reach over your peak you wan't to top that , otherwise you don't feel the same sense of accomplishment.

I agree. Exercise in general is addictive, for certain folks. Its interesting that some people are more wired for those endorphins than others. I probably should admit that I fall under that category. Fortunately the "side effects" have been mostly positive I've learned to somehow find a healthy balance, but I've had plenty of problems in the past due to 'overdoing it'. Chronic inflammation, stress fractures, herniated disk, muscle tears, strains, adrenal fatigue, etc.

I suppose in some ways I'm fortunate I'm not built for distance running, because I'd likely end up there whether I really wanted to or not - for those exact reasons you mentioned. My rule of thumb is keep it under 30 (miles) per week. Anything more than that, and I exceed some kind of threshold where things just start to break. I manage 6 sometimes 7 days a week of exercise, and have for the last 28 years. I believe IMHO that the key to 'giving it your all' is the diversity of what is done and not over targeting one specific area so your body has a chance to heal & adapt to the stress your putting on it.

Edited by PatrickM500, 12 August 2013 - 08:23 PM.

[nowayout]

Yes, hormone deficiencies are likely a contributor. There are studies easy to find on pubmed on elite endurance athletes showing that they often present with low testosterone (in the case of males) and low estrogens, which would eventually have a deleterious effect on the skin, among other organs.

[Raptor87]

I think that running is addictive in the terms of long runs, it's just like rock climbing. Once you reach over your peak you wan't to top that , otherwise you don't feel the same sense of accomplishment.

I agree. Exercise in general is addictive, for certain folks. Its interesting that some people are more wired for those endorphins than others. I probably should admit that I fall under that category. Fortunately the "side effects" have been mostly positive I've learned to somehow find a healthy balance, but I've had plenty of problems in the past due to 'overdoing it'. Chronic inflammation, stress fractures, herniated disk, muscle tears, strains, adrenal fatigue, etc.

I suppose in some ways I'm fortunate I'm not built for distance running, because I'd likely end up there whether I really wanted to or not - for those exact reasons you mentioned. My rule of thumb is keep it under 30 (miles) per week. Anything more than that, and I exceed some kind of threshold where things just start to break. I manage 6 sometimes 7 days a week of exercise, and have for the last 28 years. I believe IMHO that the key to 'giving it your all' is the diversity of what is done and not over targeting one specific area so your body has a chance to heal & adapt to the stress your putting on it.

I read somewhere that even pro- athletes take breaks for up to 2 months to recover the whole body. So being on hard training regimes for a whole year isn't that advisable. But as long as your body allows it, keep on running. Not that you said anything, but just to mention, there is no point in obsessing over looks and shit that is wasting so rapidly anyway so you might as well enjoy your life doing what you like. I don't think it's better sitting in front of the TV or computer either. I think that Fauja Singh has had a better life than most old folks sitting in homes barely being able to move.

[machete234]

At a marathon you probably see a lot of people age 60+ who are still very fit while "normal" 60 year olds decline physically.

Watching such a thing as a by stander is often interesting when you are somewhere at half the marathon distance its like people are divided by body types. (amateurs that is)
Strange enough not tall people are somewhere in the front but often men smaller than 6ft or 180cm (more like average size) who are also thin.
Being 10cm taller and 10kg heavier does not seem to work as well.

Edited by machete234, 11 September 2013 - 07:25 PM.

[TheFountain]

The further you run the more cell division you cause, this shortening Telomeres!!!!!!

No, really!

No, just kidding. I think.

[TheFountain]

Okay let's say Telomeres had faces, and those faces start out looking like babies. They have a WHOLE DISTANCE to travel in this life before no longer dividing, but RUNNING shortens that distance by a certain percentage, causing these Telomeres to look middle aged by the time they are 25-30, right? So by the time they are 40-50 (after about 500 or so ultra-marathons) these cellular divisions are multiplied times infinity and the faces of these Telomeres are now looking like mummies.


Get it? Got it? Good!

Edited by TheFountain, 11 September 2013 - 07:50 PM.

[machete234]

Is everybody on shrooms right now?

Edited by machete234, 11 September 2013 - 11:01 PM.

[osmium489]

Is everybody on shrooms right now?

Are you shrooming inside or outside in adverse weather conditions?