• Log in with Facebook Log in with Twitter Log In with Google      Sign In    
  • Create Account
  LongeCity
              Advocacy & Research for Unlimited Lifespans

Photo
- - - - -

Challenging the idea that neurons generally cannot regenerate

neurogenesis neuroplasticit dopamine brain damage neurons

  • Please log in to reply
5 replies to this topic

#1 mycotheologist

  • Guest
  • 76 posts
  • -2
  • Location:Ireland

Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:12 PM


I'm looking specifically into dopaminergic cell death at the moment as I was on amphetamines for years and think I may have suffered some of the cytotoxicity associated with the drug. So I've been looking into Parkinsons disease related research and came across this article:

http://neuro-science...urogenesis.html

here is an excerpt:

The classical view is that this is the result of a progressive degeneration process triggered by unidentified pathogenic factors. This hypothesis was challenged in 2001 by Armstrong and Barker (2001) who proposed the concept that the dopaminergic population in the SNc undergoes a continuous turnover with a low rate of spontaneous neuronal cell loss and an equilibrated rate of constitutive neurogenesis to replace the lost neurons. According to this concept, the reduced number of dopaminergic neurons in the SNc in PD would result from a reduced rate of adult neurogenesis rather than by an increased rate of neuronal cell loss. In 2003, Zhao and coworkers presented experimental findings which suggested that new dopaminergic neurons would indeed be continuously born in the SNc of adult mice to replace spontaneously degenerating neurons. According to this hypothesis, the dopaminergic neuronal population in the SNc would undergo a complete turnover during the lifespan of a mouse. Since then, the hypothesis that the generation of new dopaminergic neurons in the adult SNc could occur spontaneously or as a consequence of lesion-induced repair-mechanisms has received much attention.


Maybe its just a false paradigm, the idea that brain damage is permanent. Research on neuroplasticity in recent years has been suggesting just that. Of course, this is what I want to believe since I'd prefer not to be brain damaged for life (if I actually have damaged dopaminergic pre-synaptic terminals in my brain) but from what I've read so far, I've good reason to be optimistic.

#2 renfr

  • Guest
  • 1,059 posts
  • 72
  • Location:France

Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:40 PM

What do you mean by regenerate? Simple neurogenesis or restoring lost information from the dead neuron?

sponsored ad

  • Advert
Click HERE to rent this advertising spot for BRAIN HEALTH to support LongeCity (this will replace the google ad above).

#3 mycotheologist

  • Topic Starter
  • Guest
  • 76 posts
  • -2
  • Location:Ireland

Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:01 PM

Well what I had in mind was neurogenesis but both are of interest to me. For the latter to occur, the dead neuron would need to be somehow revived, wouldn't it? I'm also referring to the repair of damaged neurons. From what I've read, dopamine neurotoxicity causes damage to the axon terminals of the dopaminergic cells, it doesn't actually kill the cell bodies in the substantia nigra but Parkinsons disease does result in cell death in the SNc.

#4 jadamgo

  • Guest
  • 701 posts
  • 157
  • Location:USA

Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:51 PM

Maybe its just a false paradigm, the idea that brain damage is permanent. Research on neuroplasticity in recent years has been suggesting just that. Of course, this is what I want to believe since I'd prefer not to be brain damaged for life (if I actually have damaged dopaminergic pre-synaptic terminals in my brain) but from what I've read so far, I've good reason to be optimistic.


The clinical psychological research suggests the paradigm is flawed; most drug-induced anxiety, mood, cognitive, and sleep disorders can in fact remit after months to years.

It's hard to predict who will recover more and who will recover less, but the general "healthy-lifestyle" advice seems to suggest that people who eat well, exercise frequently, and maintain positive relationships will usually recover more quickly and fully. Also, good therapy can speed and deepen the recovery process.

It's fascinating that they suggest a rodent experiences a complete turnover of striatal neurons over its lifetime. I wonder how this applies to humans -- do we have only a partial turnover over our lifetimes, or a full turnover, or even multiple turnovers happening every X years?

And to touch on the "recovered information" question, do new neurons effectively take the place of old ones? Some of the stem cell research says that in the case of dopamine neurons in the substantia nigra, new neurons can in fact take the place of old ones. In rodents with MPTP-induced parkinsonism, delivery of new neurons and infusion of growth factors can reverse the symptoms.

Edited by jadamgo, 01 February 2013 - 11:57 PM.


#5 anagram

  • Guest
  • 339 posts
  • -29
  • Location:Down to my shoulders in earth.. again!

Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:12 AM

I am positive that neurogenesis occurs, new neuronal connections are made all the time, however lost information is lost for ever.
I also know for a fact that the brain has a constant supply of stem cells, ready for small injuries, unfortunately this reserve declines with age as the original cells get damaged and what not.
Berberine has been shown to positively influence the survival of cells combating oxidative stress.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22110353
Phytic acid helps tremendously with Parkinsons, protecting against Fe induced injury.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18255213
Another thing that is important is protein unfolding, which may be at the root of aging. Selegiline protects proteins from certain chemical insults.

sponsored ad

  • Advert
Click HERE to rent this advertising spot for BRAIN HEALTH to support LongeCity (this will replace the google ad above).

#6 mycotheologist

  • Topic Starter
  • Guest
  • 76 posts
  • -2
  • Location:Ireland

Posted 09 March 2013 - 06:44 PM

Thanks for the info. I'll look into berberine and phytic acid.

I recently a few articles about the role of inflammation in neurogenesis:
https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/19489097
So it appears that inflammation inhibits the process of neurogenesis and the brain releases an anti-inflammatory called Activin-A to counteract inflammation and allow the regeneration to occur. They tested other inflammatory compounds while blocking activin-A and they worked. Theres some evidence to suggest that NSAIDs counteract Parkinsons disease symptoms so this would probably be the explanation.





Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: neurogenesis, neuroplasticit, dopamine, brain damage, neurons

1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users