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[maik2013]

Hello

i'm 34 years old from Germany. I'd like to share my plan and i'm open for suggestions, especially mistakes i may make, like bad combinations. I have four daily times where i take them, and i pre pack them one week in advance. Otherwise i get mad. I can't take pills all day. I post in brackets how much per week i use it and a comment and future plans. The whole plan costs 95 Euro per month, and if my finances are better, i will increase some things.

6am:
10ml Zell Oxygen (6)- contains vitamins, zinc, selenium, enzymes, a bit alcohol. - i'm a long time fan of this. will defintely increase.
200mg Arginine,Ornithine, Lysine - (5) - will stay like that.
200mg BCAA (3) - not really necessary for longevity imo, but it's cheap and only three times a week. no increase planned
Grape seed extrakt (6) - 95% OPC - one of my favs - you can feel the rejuvenation- INCREASE
Resveratrol Cuspidatum - (5) - no comment - in the evening as well - increase
vitamin c - synthetic powder 200mg (6) - still think it's very powerful anti cancer, anti oxidant, overall health and cheap
phosphatidylcholine (6) - no comment, plan to increase and switch from soy to sunflower
aspirin 30mg - the usual argumentation + i can focus better at work
dhea as cream (2) - just testing this, it feels great - just twice a week, increase with age
pregnenolone cream (1) testing it, it feels even better, but i get sleep problems so low doses - increase with age
l oreal youth code cream (4) - against wrinkles, alternating with the above two
11am:
CLA(5)- i always liked that. it really increases energy and i can feel the fat burning- no increase
Tyrosine 200mg (5) - for mood and overall - no increase
Astaxantin (2) - anti oxidant, skin, overall - very expensive - increase
Calcium, Beta Carotine (5) - alternating with above - no increase
Magnesium, Potassium, Q10, B-Vitamins (5) - no comment - no increase
Iron (4) - no comment - no increase
L Carnitine(6) - love this, feel the energy, no increase or maybe acetyl
Creatine 200mg (6) - energy, brain, muscles - no increase
Taurine 200mg (3) - heart - not really necessary for longevity imo, but it's cheap and only three times a week. no increase planned

3pm:
flax seed oil, vit e. (5) - ALA - brain detox and functioning - no increase
wild garlic (5) - like normal garlic - no increase
gingko 200mg (5) - i like that - brain - no increase
ginger(6)- overall health- underrated imo - no increase
curcuma(6) - same
phosphatidylcholine(6) - no comment, plan to increase and switch from soy to sunflower
pomegranate 200mg (6) - awesome, overall good, my fav., no increase
milk thistle(6) - liver - no increase
vitamin D (5)
retinol cream(7)- against wrinkles - no increase


6pm:
resveratrol cuspidatum(6) - increase
vitamin c 200mg (6) - still think it's very powerful anti cancer, anti oxidant, overall health and cheap
krill oil (6) - brain and overall health - increase
acetyl cysteine 200mg (6)- liver and overall - no increase
hyaluronic acid (6) - thinking about deleting it.
MSM (5) - they say it's good and it's cheap
broccoli (5) - anti cancer and overall- no increase
Beta blocker Bisoprolole 1.8 mg

Night
Beta blocker Bisoprolole 1.8 mg
Melatonine 3mg (5)
l oreal youth code cream night (7) - against wrinkles

i need to take beta blocker, because high heart beat at night. A lot depends on financial better being, that will solve that problem i'm sure. Will move to a quieter environment then + emotional betterment.

future plans, include carnosine, saw palmetto, luteine and dmsa detox on the weekends.

Kind Regards

Edited by maik2013, 04 February 2013 - 09:20 AM.

[maik2013]

i forgot i take aspirin 6 times a week. i don't take anything more than 6 times a week, it has to do with money issues.

[Andey]

I like the idea of budgeting regimen. What about add c60 ? coQ10, PQQ...Metformin ?

[AlxM]

i forgot i take aspirin 6 times a week. i don't take anything more than 6 times a week, it has to do with money issues.

Why does a 34 year old need to take aspirin? Do you have a history of heart disease or a condition requiring Aspirin?

[niner]

The long term data on low dose aspirin is really impressive. It reduces the incidence of some cancers significantly, and probably is a plus for CVD as a bonus.

[renfr]

Looks quite heavy.
Well I would personally put the iron out unless you have an extreme deficiency.
Food gives you already enough iron and too much is bad for longevity.
What is the number inside? The number of servings?

vitamin c - synthetic powder 200mg (6) - still think it's very powerful anti cancer, anti oxidant, overall health and cheap

What form do you use? Ascorbic acid is more pro-cancer than anti-cancer and it is very poorly absorbable.
The best and most potent forms are sodium/magnesium/calcium ascorbate, ascorbate palmitate, liposomal vitamin C being the most absorbable.

future plans, include carnosine, saw palmetto, luteine and dmsa detox on the weekends.

Are you a woman? Because unless you are, saw palmetto will shrink your testicles, it's a DHT blocker like finasteride and it can cause devastating damage.

Also I would be cautious of mixing beta blockers with phosphatidylcholine, that latter also lower your heart rate.

[maik2013]

Hello,

thanks for the replies.

My general thoughts:
I came to the conclusion that basically the most important thing is antioxidation and resveratrol. Then you have some substances you really need like Phosphatidylcholine or fish oil. It's further more important to be economically successful, i will focus more on that. You can afford a much better lifestyle for anti aging if you have money imo. So i have made some cuts for economical reasons but safety reasons play into that as well. I also cut Amino acids and BCAA/Taurine. It was powder and I made it in capsules. I'm not so sure if it's really good. I had Tryptophan in the plan too and got major headaches, i also had integrated these things very late and I felt better without it. I will focus more on high value protein food.

My replies:
PQQ: Have goggled it, my first thought is that it's overrated and other substances are way more important. But will observe it.
C60: I have looked into it on this site and i will integrate it, probably next year. It's just too new still.
Q10: It's in the plan under magnesium.
Metformin: no history for Diabetes in my family and i live very healthy and i have low blood sugar.
Herbs: I have cut ginger, curcuma and milk thistle. Still four times a week, but no need to be aggressive there. Also saw palmetto is off the table. Like i said earlier: other things are way more important.
Aspirin: I have deleted it from my plan. The reason for it being in the plan was anti cancer. But I'm taking enough anti cancer things imo. Also makula degeneration is something to look out for. But it might get back in if i'm older.
Vitamin C: Yes it's ascorbic acid. Can you post a link for it being pro cancer. I found only good things... But i have cut the evening vitamin c from the plan, but mostly because i already take enough of it and other anti oxidants.

Updated plan with comments. It will very likely change again. Number of times per week in brackets.
6am:
10ml Zell Oxygen (6)- contains vitamins, zinc, selenium, enzymes, a bit alcohol
Grape seed extrakt (6) - 95% OPC
Resveratrol Cuspidatum - (5)
vitamin c - synthetic powder 200mg (6)
phosphatidylcholine (6) -
dhea as cream (2) -
pregnenolone cream (1)
l oreal youth code cream (4) - I'm not so sure if it has any effect, might delete it, since it's one of the more expensive things also.

11am:
CLA(5)-
Astaxantin (2) -
Calcium, Beta Carotine (5) -
Magnesium, Potassium, Q10, B-Vitamins (4) – down from 5 to 4 times a week
Iron (2) – down from 4 to 2 times a week
L Carnitine(4) – down from 6 to to 4 times a week
Creatine 200mg (4) – down from 6 to to 4 times a week


3pm:
flax seed oil, vit e. (5)
wild garlic (5) -
gingko 200mg (2) – down from 5 to 2 times a week(weekend), too psychoactive for me and somehow makes me quieter as I already am.
ginger(4)- – down from 6 to to 4 times a week
curcuma(4) - – down from 6 to to 4 times a week
phosphatidylcholine(6) -
pomegranate 200mg (6) -
milk thistle(4) - – down from 6 to to 4 times a week
vitamin D (5)
retinol cream(7)- - I'm not so sure if it has any effect, might delete it, since it's one of the more expensive things also.



6pm:
resveratrol cuspidatum(6) -
krill oil (6) -
acetyl cysteine 200mg (6)- down from 6 to to 4 times a week
hyaluronic acid (4) - - I'm not so sure if it has any effect, might delete it, since it's one of the more expensive things also. Any way cut form 6 to 4 times a week.
MSM (5) -
broccoli (4) – down from 5 to 4 times a week
Beta blocker Bisoprolole 1.8 mg

Night
Beta blocker Bisoprolole 1.8 mg
Melatonine 3mg (5)
l oreal youth code cream night (7) - - I'm not so sure if it has any effect, might delete it, since it's one of the more expensive things also.

Overall cost per month down to 85 Euro.

Edited by maik2013, 25 February 2013 - 10:39 AM.

[maik2013]

Two days without the amino acids and i feel MUCH better. I have written about this here:
http://www.longecity...210#entry568534

Edited by maik2013, 26 February 2013 - 08:17 AM.

[maik2013]

OK, just made my monthly orders of the things that are empty and i decided to use the extra money to spend on Carnosine, Sam-E and Tocomin (Tocotrinols).
These changes were planned anyway, The plan will stay like that for the next months. So I'm not spamming



Updated plan with comments. Number of times per week in brackets.
6am:
10ml Zell Oxygen (6)- contains vitamins, zinc, selenium, enzymes, a bit alcohol
Grape seed extrakt (6) - 95% OPC
vitamin c - synthetic powder 200mg (6)
phosphatidylcholine (6) -
Tocomin (4) -
Sam-E 200mg (4) -
dhea as cream (2) -
pregnenolone cream (1)
L oreal youth code cream (4) -

11am:
Carnosine(4) -
Resveratrol Cuspidatum - (5)
CLA(5)-
Astaxantin (2) -
Calcium, Beta Carotine (5) -
Magnesium, Potassium, Q10, B-Vitamins (4) –
Iron (2) –
L Carnitine(4) –
Creatine 200mg (4) –


3pm:
flax seed oil, vit e. (5)
wild garlic (5) -
gingko 200mg (2) –
ginger(4)- –
curcuma(4) - –
pomegranate 200mg (6) -
milk thistle(4) -
vitamin D (5)
retinol cream(7)-



6pm:
phosphatidylcholine(6) -
resveratrol cuspidatum(6) -
krill oil (6) -
acetyl cysteine 200mg (4)-
hyaluronic acid (4) -
MSM (5) -
broccoli (4) –
Beta blocker Bisoprolole 1.8 mg (at least a half hour later than the rest)

Night
Beta blocker Bisoprolole 1.8 mg
Melatonine 3mg (5)
l oreal youth code cream night (7) -

Overall cost per month up from 85 to 100 Euro.

Edited by maik2013, 26 February 2013 - 12:29 PM.

[maik2013]

Hi all. I have made several changes and i will post an updated plan followed by some general thoughts. I will thank all suggestions and this forum in general and advice to the not so smart people to be careful. My plan is very safe in my opinion, it just looks much.

Supplement,Days,Description
Most important stuff in bold letters.

6am:
Gingko 200mg, Sat, These kind of supplements make me distracted and there is no improvement in mental clarity or concentration, focus on my projects. But this combined with Pramiracetam is great for working out. So after a long hard week i get the extra push to make an intense workout on saturday morning, i feel great with it, but on sunday i rest and stop the supplement, otherwise i get nothing done.
Pramiracetam 50mg, Sat, see above
2 Big coffees about 250mg caffeine i think, Mon-Sun, it's just better even after long term caffeine abstinence i have more power with it.
Grapeseed extract 600mg, Mon-Sun
B1 1mg, Mo-Fr
B2,1mg, Mo-Fr
B6 1mg, Mo-Fr
B12 2mcg, Mo-Fr
Niacin 5mg, Mo-Fr
Panthotenic Acid 2mg, Mo-Fr
Biotin 35mcg, Mo-Fr
Alpha Tocopherol 13mg, Mo-Fr
Zinc 14mg, Mo-Fr
Selenium 18mcg, Mo-Fr
Enzyme yeast cells 6g, Mo-Fr
Alpha tocotrienol 5mg, Mo-Fr
Beta tocotrienol 1mg, Mo-Fr
Gamma tocotrienol 9mg, Mo-Fr
Delta Tocotrienol 2mg, Mo-Fr
Astaxanthin 134mg, Mon,Wed,Fri
Rosehip Extract 316mg, Mon,Wed,Fri
Nigella sativa 680mg, Mon-Sun
DHEA as cream 5mg, Mon-Fri
Magnesium 225mg, Tue, Thu, Sat
Potassium 120mg, Tue, Thu, Sat
Coenzyme Q10 15mg, Tue, Thu, Sat
B1 4mg, Tue, Thu, Sat
B2 5mg, Tue, Thu, Sat
B6 3mg, Tue, Thu, Sat
Folic Acid 35mcg, Tue, Thu, Sat
B12 1mcg, Tue, Thu, Sat
Calcium 250mg, Tue, Thu, Sat
Beta carotene 1.5mg, Tue, Thu, Sat
Alpha Tocopherol 2mg, Tue, Thu, Sat
Vitamin C 10mg, Tue, Thu, Sat
L-Carnitine 350mg, Mo-Fri
CLA 500mg, Mon-Fri
L-Carnosine 400mg, Mon-Fri
Pregnenolone as cream 5mg, Mon-Fri
MSM 200mg, Mon-Sun
Chondroitine 120mg, Mon-Sun
Glucosamine 120mg, Mon-Sun
Papain 55mg, Mon-Sun
Bromelain 55mg, Mon-Sun
Resveratrol 40mg, Mon-Sun
Wild Garlic 600mg, Sat, Sun
Sam-E 200mg, Tue, Thu
Magnesium 200mg, Tue, Thu
Apple cidar vinegar 270mg, Sat, Sun
Aspirin 35mg, Wed-Sun
Arginin 100mg, Mon-Fri
Ornithin 100mg, Mon-Fri
Lysin 100mg, Mon-Fri
Magnesium 40mg, Mon,Wed, Fri
Zinc 5mg, Mon,Wed, Fri
Manganese 2mg, Mon, Wed, Fri
Copper 1mg, Mon, Wed, Fri
Chromium 20mcg, Mon, Wed, Fri
Iodine 20mcg, Mon, Wed, Fri
Molybdenum 20mcg, Mon, Wed, Fri
Selenium 10mcg, Mon, Wed, Fri

11am:
Protein no soy 30g, Mon, wed, Fri, Zero Impact Power Bar contains potassium 290mg
Protein soy 45g, Tue, Thu, Carb Control Protein Bar contains Vitamins
WHEY protein 10g, Sat, Sun

4pm:
Red Ginseng 300mg, Mon- Thu

5pm:
Pomegranate 300mg, Mon-Thu
Wild Garlic 600mg, Sat, Sun
Apple cidar vinegar 270mg, Sat, Sun
L-Tyrosine 300mg, Mon-Fri
Curcuma 300mg, Mon, Wed, Thu
Vitamin D3 25mcg, Mon, tue, thu
Vitamin C 40mg, Mon , tue, thu
Broccoli extract 400mg, Mon-Thu
Ginger 400mg, Tue, Thu, Fri
BCAA 200mg, Wed, Thu
l-Taurine 200mg, Mon, Tue, Fri
Retinol Cream, Mon-Sun

6pm:
Flaxsees oil 500mg, Tue-Thu
Alpha Tocopherol 10mg, Tue-Thu
Iron 14mg, Mon, Wed
Lutein 20mg, Tue-Thu
Milk thistle 150mg, Sat-Mon
Green-Lipped mussel extract 400mg, Mon-Sun
Creatine 600mg, Mon-Fri
Vitamin C 500mg, Mon-Fri
Sun Flower Lecithin 4g, Mon-Thu
MSM 300mg, Mon-Fri
Hyaluronic Acid 50mg, Mon, Tue, Thu, Fri
Krill oil 500mg, Fri-Mon
N acetyl cysteine 150mg, Mon-Sun

10pm:
WHEY protein 10g, Fri, Sat
Melatonin 3mg, Mon-Sun
Progesterone Cream 5mg, Sun-Thu
L-Tryptophan 50mg, Sun-thu
Bisoprolol 3.75mg, Mon-Sun

Overal cost 180 Euro per month.
Ok, that was a bit of work, but now i have it in here. I need to leave now and can't explain much. I know there is probybly too much alpha tocopherol in it, it must be so cheap they mix it in everywhere. I plan to integrate ALCAR, Alpha lipoic acid, Chili extract and NADH over the next months. I plan to test caffeine at 4pm, Bromelain at 4pm against joint pain, Sulbutiamine, CDP Choline and Synephrin for concentration and cloves in the morning for social reasons.

Kind Regards
Maik2013

Edited by maik2013, 20 October 2013 - 09:32 AM.

[Breestyle]

Astaxanthin 134mg, Mon,Wed,Fri

134mg of Astaxanthin... is that a typo?

[Ukko]

I have been into supplementation for like 25 years. And I have a hard understanding what you are trying to achieve here. Some examples. Your creatine and taurine dosages are best described as homeophatic. I take both, but 20 times more a day. Even 10 times more you are taking might achieve something. The doses you take are easily available from a good diet = pointless to supplement such low doses. Same with tyrosine another amino acid. While I also take it in the morning, I take 10-20 times more or then none at all. Just to give you an idea, while I often supplement tyrosine in the morning, I also take two scoops of whey protein, a known calorie restriction mimetic in the morning. That alone gives me 1200mg of tyrosine, which is 6 times more you are supplementing. Again, your dose is entirely homeophatic and better achieved from eating just a little nuts or cheese. Iron is just nuts for 80% of people to supplement, unless you need it for some female issues. Even then, I would be careful.

Your regime is so strange and homephatic that it must be that you are trying to gain some cosmetic benefits. If so, you are wasting most of your money and energy. Focus on the following:

- 2000-4000mg of vitamin C in an efferscent non-irritable form
- 200-800mg of r-isomer alpha lipoic acid
- 300-600mg of DMAE
- 10-20g of soy lecithin
- 100-300mg of phosphatidylserine
- 1000-2000mg of omega3s
- 1000mg of carnosine as an anti-glycation agent
- Also consider other anti-glycation agents like benfotiamine and make sure you get adequate diet, exercise sleep and in particular enough zinc and magnesium.

Everything I listed above does wonders for skin in a scientifically proven non-homeophatic way.

Edited by Ukko, 20 October 2013 - 06:48 PM.

[maik2013]

Sorry it's 4mg af Astaxantin. Thanks for the comments, i'm just starting and plans to increase are there but I feel very good with this plan and i'm outperforming all my coworkers, but it's not perfect. I might test higher doses.