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[The Immortalist]

At what age do you think is the maximum age a person could be with todays technology to be able to pass as a 19 year old? How about early 20's?

I'm guessing these are the only ways to avoid skin aging:

• caloric restriction with optimal nutrition
• no processed foods, avoiding high blood sugar levels and keeping a low protein intake.
• cosmetic surgery like face lifts, eyelid surgery for the saggy upper eyelids that come with age, possible facial fat grafting if any becomes lost due to age, and maybe some conservative botox injections.
• Avoiding sun light

Matt from this forum still looks very young and could easily pass for a 20 year old and maybe even younger yet being in his late 20's so how long could he hold it up?

Edited by The Immortalist, 31 March 2013 - 01:13 AM.

[YOLF]

Can you link to his profile?

[The Immortalist]

Can you link to his profile?

http://www.longecity...user/1955-matt/

[YOLF]

He does look good for his age, but the photos are a little over exposed. That and flat lighting are always used to "soften" the skin in pro photography, they're some of the ways the camera removes age. I get what you mean though.

To remain positive, I'd say it's possible to look 18 your entire life, even if we haven't figured it out yet, we will and we'll be doing it forever! I was able to stave off aging a few years ago and look a little younger, but it all went away. We're still a ways away from it I'd think. We'll all need to do everything we can to reverse aging.

[JohnD60]

I would offer that very few people over the age of 25 would want to look 20

[YOLF]

I would think that kind of thinking would fade away. Sure, now a young person looks inexperienced and may get passed over for jobs and what not, but at the point where are able to reverse aging we will want to continue until we feel as healthy as possible. Discriminating based on one's appearance will be regarded as no different than discrimination based on gender, marital status, or race/nationality. We'll all have to let go of that thinking. Indefinite life extension and youth are going to change things in big ways, though I think it'll all be for the better.

[nowayout]

I would offer that very few people over the age of 25 would want to look 20

I agree. I would go further and say that many men reach the peak of their good looks somewhere between 30 and 40. For women, it is, perhaps unfairly, a little earlier, but not much.

Edited by viveutvivas, 31 March 2013 - 05:21 PM.

[The Immortalist]

I would offer that very few people over the age of 25 would want to look 20

It's all in how you present yourself. Only a real man wouldn't care if he looked very young in a professional environment full of older looking people.

[YOLF]

I would think looking old would be worse for someone. Usually older people know more and have more experience and have learned their jobs as behaviors that work in today's world of aging, but a physically young (regardless of years) man is likely to perform better once he gets ignorance and all that out of the way. I imagine choosing to be older looking will come with a slight disability due to less than optimum health. Employers will seek the younger looking, healthier employees. Those choosing to look old and have the accompanying disability in the future's eyes will be looked down upon. NGOs will create a "cool" aging group, maybe even with a rockstar or something to lead people towards aging, but it'll be a form of social selection. I won't agree with it. Perhaps a culture of denial of this fact will form in the mass media to promote social dis-integration or separation, but I won't agree with that either. The risks of unhealth aren't outweighed by any benefits.

[JohnD60]

I would offer that very few people over the age of 25 would want to look 20

It's all in how you present yourself. Only a real man wouldn't care if he looked very young in a professional environment full of older looking people.

I wasn't referring specifically to a professional environment. I think the movie 'in time' (Justin Timberlake, Oliva Wilde) had it close to right. If people had to pick an age to stop aging, the norm would be 25 (maybe a few years older for men). But thank you for explaining how a real man would present himself in a professional environment.
There are some highly unscientific polls floating around on the internet about what age people would like to stay at forever, what one can reasonably deduce from them is that the older the person being polled the higher the response age.

eta: I posted a poll on this in the main Lifestyle forum, have at it.

Edited by JohnD60, 01 April 2013 - 03:52 AM.

[YOLF]

I would offer that very few people over the age of 25 would want to look 20

It's all in how you present yourself. Only a real man wouldn't care if he looked very young in a professional environment full of older looking people.

I wasn't referring specifically to a professional environment. I think the movie 'in time' (Justin Timberlake, Oliva Wilde) had it close to right. If people had to pick an age to stop aging, the norm would be 25 (maybe a few years older for men). But thank you for explaining how a real man would present himself in a professional environment.
There are some highly unscientific polls floating around on the internet about what age people would like to stay at forever, what one can reasonably deduce from them is that the older the person being polled the higher the response age.

eta: I posted a poll on this in the main Lifestyle forum, have at it.

Sounds like wishful/charitable thinking. People often answer that way because they don't think the way an immortalist does. They are more concerned with the next generation's feelings, they want them to feel like they've just reached their peak. It's a parental instinct that has just been passed down in the presence of death and aging. Making the most of what's left of life for the next person. The other thing that I think influences older people to think that way is a fear that medicare won't take care of them anymore or give up on them if they aren't happy with their lot and give priority to those who feel the best about what they're doing (it takes a devotion to immortalist medicine to make us feel that way with our doc IMHO). Perhaps they've learned that doctors feel better and display more bedside manner when the patient is happy with what can be done and they are deeply thankful for the doctor's work and want to make them feel as appreciated as possible regardless of how bad they feel because they are getting to stay with friends and family and don't have the loneliness of imminent death setting in and don't want the doc to give up on them.

Immortalist thinking will be much different IMHO.

[Matt]

Sorry, I know I need clearer pictures. I'm going to use my new digital camera next time when I upload pictures (I've growing my hair so I just update them every 6 months something). Here's the latest ones I have (I'm 28 years 5 months old here). Can't believe I'll already be 30 next year lol. I still get mistaken for being anywhere from 17-20 depending on the day. My skin is so much better in the last few months since I changed a few things. I had an old friend, Michael, that came over the other night cos I had to build a computer for him, and he told me "matt, you still look the same as when you were in high school". That was nice. At least my efforts are paying off. I think having a small body frame, and smaller baby-like features helps. It seems I didn't 'mature' in the same way majority of my friends did. At least not yet.

https://fbcdn-sphoto...922549527_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphoto...496671400_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphoto...229718539_n.jpg

And I posted a picture here with me at at 17 and 27
https://www.facebook...&type=3

[Matt]

Why do you think women peak earlier and age more quickly in terms of appearance? Could it be because they have thinner skin and it's less protected from sun damage and the environment? Also could it be that women are more likely tan and use products that might damage the skin in the long run? But to be honest, there are many guys I know that have awful skin that looks quite bad. I used to think that people would get better looking as they got older until about 40, and then they would go down hill slowly. Now it seems that many are going downhill in their mid 20's. Don't you think?

[nowayout]

True, many people let themselves go in their 20s, but in my experience men who take care of themselves (work out, stay single and childless, have a good diet, etc.) tend to peak at about 35. That's just my taste in men - I find the typical 20-something less attractive than a nice-looking 30-something, and I myself looked much better in my 30s than in my 20s in my own opinion.

Edited by viveutvivas, 01 April 2013 - 04:26 PM.

[Matt]

I find women who've looked after themselves more attractive whey they are about 30-35. I love shakira haha xD

[The Immortalist]

Sorry, I know I need clearer pictures. I'm going to use my new digital camera next time when I upload pictures (I've growing my hair so I just update them every 6 months something). Here's the latest ones I have (I'm 28 years 5 months old here). Can't believe I'll already be 30 next year lol. I still get mistaken for being anywhere from 17-20 depending on the day. My skin is so much better in the last few months since I changed a few things. I had an old friend, Michael, that came over the other night cos I had to build a computer for him, and he told me "matt, you still look the same as when you were in high school". That was nice. At least my efforts are paying off. I think having a small body frame, and smaller baby-like features helps. It seems I didn't 'mature' in the same way majority of my friends did. At least not yet.

https://fbcdn-sphoto...922549527_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphoto...496671400_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphoto...229718539_n.jpg

And I posted a picture here with me at at 17 and 27
https://www.facebook...&type=3

Making the 17 year old pictures darker/greyscale makes your face in them automatically look older. Allow me to exaplain. I've read that one of the main differences between men and woman is skin contrast(ie, females have paler skin then males of the same race). Female attractiveness is inherently tied to youth. What I'm getting at here is that making the photos of yourself when you were 17 greyscale is a disservice to an objective comparison between your current face and your 17 year old face. Either make them both greyscale or make them both in color.

[JohnD60]

agree about the grayscale comment. grayscale photos result in regression to the norm. Younger people look older, older people look younger. Unattractive people look more attractive, very attractive people look less attractive. Fat people look fitter, fit people look less impressive.

[Matt]

I made the photo that colour because I hated how I looked cos of my skin at the time. I had probably the 2nd worse case of acne in my high school. I do have this which was taken around 19 years of age I think.
http://img.photobuck...a182/me0111.jpg

And I did alter the colour of a new picture which I posted already and you can see here that it didn't make much of a difference imo. But for comparison purposes, I get your point. Thanks

Edited by Matt, 01 April 2013 - 07:26 PM.

[The Immortalist]

I made the photo that colour because I hated how I looked cos of my skin at the time. I had probably the 2nd worse case of acne in my high school. I do have this which was taken around 19 years of age I think.
http://img.photobuck...a182/me0111.jpg

And I did alter the colour of a new picture which I posted already and you can see here that it didn't make much of a difference imo. But for comparison purposes, I get your point. Thanks
https://www.facebook...35673153&type=3

You're welcome I'm glad my advice could be of some help.

Now to get back on topic how long do you think you could hold up your youth matt? When you get older would you ever consider some cosmetic surgery or whatever?

[DAMI]

I made the photo that colour because I hated how I looked cos of my skin at the time. I had probably the 2nd worse case of acne in my high school. I do have this which was taken around 19 years of age I think.
http://img.photobuck...a182/me0111.jpg

And I did alter the colour of a new picture which I posted already and you can see here that it didn't make much of a difference imo. But for comparison purposes, I get your point. Thanks
https://www.facebook...35673153&type=3

You're welcome I'm glad my advice could be of some help.

Now to get back on topic how long do you think you could hold up your youth matt? When you get older would you ever consider some cosmetic surgery or whatever?

I think that the User Brafarility of this Forum is an impressive example of what one can achieve even without CRON and Cosmetic Surgery. He has been a religious Sun avoider since age 20 and eats a vegan diet high in fat from nuts and low in protein. Now he is in his early 40s but looks 20 years younger.

[YOLF]

I made the photo that colour because I hated how I looked cos of my skin at the time. I had probably the 2nd worse case of acne in my high school. I do have this which was taken around 19 years of age I think.
http://img.photobuck...a182/me0111.jpg

And I did alter the colour of a new picture which I posted already and you can see here that it didn't make much of a difference imo. But for comparison purposes, I get your point. Thanks
https://www.facebook...35673153&type=3

You're welcome I'm glad my advice could be of some help.

Now to get back on topic how long do you think you could hold up your youth matt? When you get older would you ever consider some cosmetic surgery or whatever?

I think that the User Brafarility of this Forum is an impressive example of what one can achieve even without CRON and Cosmetic Surgery. He has been a religious Sun avoider since age 20 and eats a vegan diet high in fat from nuts and low in protein. Now he is in his early 40s but looks 20 years younger.

Link?

[DAMI]

I made the photo that colour because I hated how I looked cos of my skin at the time. I had probably the 2nd worse case of acne in my high school. I do have this which was taken around 19 years of age I think.
http://img.photobuck...a182/me0111.jpg

And I did alter the colour of a new picture which I posted already and you can see here that it didn't make much of a difference imo. But for comparison purposes, I get your point. Thanks
https://www.facebook...35673153&type=3

You're welcome I'm glad my advice could be of some help.

Now to get back on topic how long do you think you could hold up your youth matt? When you get older would you ever consider some cosmetic surgery or whatever?

I think that the User Brafarility of this Forum is an impressive example of what one can achieve even without CRON and Cosmetic Surgery. He has been a religious Sun avoider since age 20 and eats a vegan diet high in fat from nuts and low in protein. Now he is in his early 40s but looks 20 years younger.

Link?

For example here: http://www.longecity..._60#entry252850

[YOLF]

He does look pretty young. I don't know if I can go w/o meat though.

[nupi]

I would offer that very few people over the age of 25 would want to look 20

That might be true for men - I doubt it is true for women

[YOLF]

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