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Alternate MAOI ROAs and the effects

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 09:01 AM


I'm wondering, when MAOIs (any of them, but particularly the ones like Parnate which are known for interactions) are taken sublingually or snorted, are the interactions altered?

Since it bypasses the liver metabolism, wouldn't it not affect the liver's MAO levels, and thus not cause certain foods to be dangerous?

Why doesn't this work? I assume it doesn't or else there would be no problem with MAOIs, and this would be the only method of taking MAOIs. I can't find anything on google about it at all.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 12:46 PM

I can't speak for the other MAOIs, but Parnate may have a few reasons that probably suggest it shouldn't be taken sublingually. Orally, it already has a short time to reach peak plasma concentration and half life- two hours or something like that. As an analog of amphetamine and weak norepinephrine and dopamine releaser, sublingual administration would likely speed up this reaction, and following effects, in a drug already prone to many and various side effects beyond the regular MAOI problems. Let alone cardiac effects. Some people get very anxious/uncomfortable/irritable with regular dosing. This is speculation though, and I have no degree or experience to comment with any confidence in the chemical/pharmacological nature of how MAO inhibition would be changed.

More practically, as someone on 80-mg of Parnate, sublingual administration just seems inconvenient. The pills only really come in 10-mg tablets, and taking a normally required dose would be a mouthful, so to speak. One or two pills wouldn't be terrible, for a social anxiety 30-mg dose.

Personally, I have tried taking some sublingually, as a depressed idiot- it doesn't taste all that bad, but I do believe the onset of my regular side-effects was quicker. (Also, I don't have the best sense of taste, having taken centrophenoxine and a few others. In an effort to avoid terrible stomach problems with Wellbutrin, I also tried it sublingually with 75-mg pills. Like eating boric acid. Awful. Then again, I read that some people do that with Wellbutrin to get some sort of drug abuse effect, so maybe it has a bitterant or something like that. Nonetheless, words from a drug idiot.) With the orthostatic hypotension I have from the drug, and a standing pulse of 110 or something like that after administration, I would hesistate to take it in such a way.

Most importantly, I find the "Cheese Effect" to be very idiosyncratic across the spectrum of patients. I have an accurate blood pressure monitor from a hospital job, and have taken my blood pressure multiple times after a variety of different meals, and have never once had a significant change in pressure over a period of time. I avoid blue cheese, spoiled foods, aged parmesan (to some degree, a sprinkle or two didn't make a difference.), and aged meats. Even after accidentally eating a full meal of pasta with great aged prosciutto (I thought it was over-salted roasted red peppers, which were in the dish), I had no significant change in pressure over a monitoring period of two hours. But that is how it has worked with me, and Parnate is quite tempermental. I will still stick to safe foods for now.

It does work very well for social anxiety, with accompanying therapy. A mixture of CBT, mindfulness, and review of my personal evaluatory framework and expectations has made a huge difference.

Then again, I'm still depressed (with some abnormalities on an MRI, though), so it depends. Good luck with your health.

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