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[Joogyone]

Hi all,

This is my first time experimenting with nootropics and I've got a few questions about a couple.

Sometimes at work I feel extremely laggy and foggy, and some days I am really on the ball, have plenty of mental energy and just feel right but I can't figure out what the cause of this variation is. I have messed around with sleep patterns, water intake, food etc but it just seems like a random phenomenon, some days I feel good, some I don't.

I know what I am like at my best, and I want to stay at my best but it seems I could do with a little help. I am starting university (engineering) shortly and had read about students using modafinil and I'd like to give it a trial.

I want to try and stack it but am still deciding what would be best. I have heard phenibut is good with modafinil as they seem to work in synergy, cancelling each others negative sides. Only thing is phenibut seems to have withdrawal effects after long term use.

I have also heard it goes well with some racetams, but I am not sure which will be most effective. I have read that prami is the most effective, then I have heard that it isn't, just more efficient dosage wise.

Can anyone offer up some experience with modafinil and relevant stacks. The main thing I am looking for is focus when studying, a clear head, and possibly anti-anxiety/social effects.

Thanks,

Andrew

[Joogyone]

Is there no one able to give any input?

[Tom_]

This 'variation' is 100% normal. Its what you should expect rather than the opposite. Stack wise, Modafinil is a gold memeber, you might want to check out the http://www.longecity...ly-induced-ltp/ thread.

ginko is a good option as is DLPA. You should be supporting with 40+ mins of exercise 4+ times a week as well as omega 3 and a multi vit every so often.

I don't know who told you about Phenibut but that should be used only in emergancies. It is not a general nootropic for regular use. High dose withdrawals have been known to cause anything from tonic-clonic sezuires to acute suicidal depression. Don't mess with it.

[Joogyone]

Thanks for that Tom, I had my reservations about phenibut so I'm glad you could clear that up. I had a read through your link there and while I got the general gist of it, most was beyond my knowledge of the area. What was it that you wanted to point out?

Funny you say Ginko as I just ordered some off eBay only a few days ago.

Would it be beneficial to run prami and noopept alongside modafinil as well, and if so would you add in anything else such as choline to the mix?

[Tom_]

what's prami? Are you referencing a racetam?

[norepinephrine]

For racetam effectiveness, you're generally on your own - there's no real objective answer as to X racetam being strictly preferably to Y racetam for any given individual. Buy the big four (pir-, oxi-, ani-, prami-) ones and give trial runs of each of them separately at the recommended dosages with a washout period between. From there, give the more novel ones a try if you so desire.

Modafinil is a useful tool under the short-term, but again you'll have to do some self-experimentation and see how it affects your cognition, as well as sleep quality.

I'd be very hesitant towards using phenibut with anything approaching regularity. I think low-dose bacopa, theanine or ashwagandha would be all be far superior routes to pursue.

[Joogyone]

Yeah I have phenibut but don't think I will be using it to be honest after reading around. I have some pramiracetam and noopept on order and may add some ani and oxyracetam as well and try them individually like you said. What is a usual washout period for racetams.

[jurassic]

I have some experience with phenibut, pramiracetam, noopept and some other stuff.

pramiracetam gives me a little focus and induces a little bit of emotional blunting. this is a good effect as i am a bit ADD and have real problems focusing on task if it is not very interesting or engaging. however, it doesn't really stimulate to do something, but it does give emotional calmness and that can help. i'm not sure about noopept. it gives kind of positive energy and i think makes my brain work a little faster, for example, when there is some conversation or debate. it doesn't help with concentration and can make one a bit nervous.

phenibut on the other hand is, for me, the best nootropic i have discovered so far. it has many effects, based on the dose you use. if used in low dosage (500-1000mg) it calms me down. very useful for situations when I am stressed and need to concentrate on sth. when taken in larger dosages it gives stimulant and euphoric effect. it eliminates social anxiety. it makes me happy, satisfied and relaxed in a non assertive, background way. this is in dosages 1000-1500g. it even has recreational value for going out and partying. However, it shouldn't be taken more than two consecutive days. so i think it's good for once or twice a week use. and it makes me sleep better. i fall asleep more easily and wake up refreshed. really a great drug.

I also find ALCAR to be very good and effective. it gives me energy and stimulates me, and gives a bit of mood elevation. good for exercise and sex drive also.
although, unfortunately i still haven't found anything that would make me more goal oriented and concentrated on one task. probably modafinil or adrafinil would be very good for that, but i haven't tried that yet

try piracetam, it should be a good overall nootropic, easy to use, simple, safe and reliable. in my country it's a prescription drug so it's illegal to buy it so i haven't tried it yet :(

[norepinephrine]

I have not found modafinil to do much in terms of goal-orientation (unless your goal is not falling asleep). To that end, amphetamine seems to be the standard for increasing motivation.

In the past, phenylpiracetam also worked well for me, though tolerance was rapid. I've actually also had really good luck with panax ginseng for general nootropic purposes as well as stimulation, focus and a mild drive towards goals, typically in combination with ginkgo.

Deprenyl could be another avenue, though I have no firsthand experience.

[Joogyone]

So I received my prami and phenibut today. Will keep the phenibut for special occasions. I have started my first prami dose at 400mg. Tried to mix it in with a big glass of lime cordial, but I just tasted the spoon after I finished stirring and I have to say that is one of the most foul things I have ever tasted. Needless to say the drink went straight down the sink. I will have to purchase a proper scale and capping setup for future doses.

What's common in terms of dosage times? I would prefer just one at maybe 500mg in the morning, but I have heard that it should be split up over the day? And will taking it before bed affect sleep/getting to sleep?

[Joogyone]

Hey all,

Just a quick update. I have been on prami for the last few days, I'm not sure if it is having an effect or work is just going my way at the moment but I feel better on it. Might try up the dosage to 1g twice a day (my general tolerance is very high with most drugs) Still waiting on the modafinil to arrive.

I ingested some phenibut a few hours ago (3 teaspoons) and all I can say is wow. This is definitely stronger than I had anticipated - I had not expected much from an OTC substance. I find it great to be honest. Feeling in a good mood albeit light headed and off balance. I can see recreational value in this although that is not what I intended it for. Will half the future dosage for use during the day and abide by the washout rules to avoid any potential withdrawl affects. No libido increase to comment on though, which seems strange considering the reports I have read. Might have to find a lady friend to confirm this theory though.

Will update on pheni's after effects and experience with modafinil when it arrives.

Andy

[lammas2]

3 teaspoons of phenibut? Why on earth would you do it? A teaspoon being about 5g, a total of 15g. That is the dosage of an individual with very high tolerance for gabaergic drugs. First time I took it, it was almost as overwhelming as a high dose of GHB - and the dosage was just 500mg! This is just ignorant and dangerous. Please use common sense - always start low and work your way up.

[Joogyone]

Yeah mate I appreciate the heads up. Although this intake was built up tonight and is more like 6/7 grams. One of my flat teaspoons weighs a bit over 2. I couldn't imagine what 15 grams would be like... I feel around half this dose, around 3/4 grams would be a good range for me to maintain normal functioning at work.

[Tom_]

I'm seriously struggling to believe you just downed 6-7 gs of phenibut and aren't on the floor if its your first time unless you have been abusing (and I mean all out abusing) all kinds of gabanergics. On the other hand if it was signficantly less than three hours ago that you took it in, you may well still be up for all kinds of fun.

8 grams has me spinning and there are few drugs that bother me in anything other than very high doses.

[Joogyone]

Yeah put it this way I'm pretty close to being on the floor! But usually with anything I take I double the dosage straight up, probably not the best advice to give someone but my experience has been that I just don't respond as well as others. Haven't touched GBL or GABA before so this would be my first time on anything along those lines. Initial dose was 8 hours ago and am quite happy with the effects so far. Hopefully tomorrow will be forgiving

[Introspecta]

I've been on Baclofen for a year and 6 grams of phen would have me puking and dizzy. 2-3 grams would be my max. either your dose measuring is way off or your body is just strange I'd have to say your measuring is way off though because I have a serious tolerance to Gaba B drugs and that dose would kill me.

[Tom_]

I think that's a bit extreme mate. The second time I ever had phenibut it was 6.5 grams measured into 500mg caps. I knocked that down with benzo's and some booze. I was pretty chilled out (translation: off my tree) and fell asleep within four hours (when I'm having an episode of insomnia that's blood quick for me). I didn't have much problem with tolerance either thank god, although going much past 3 grams and the general consensus is you're hitting GABA a receptors as well.

1.5 grams phen, 3mg melatonin, 50mg agomelatine and 50mg diphenidramine is enough to have me asleep.

[deh707]

Careful with that phenibut....... 500mg as-needed is for me.

One time I took 1.3g, and I felt really drunk.

The next day I just felt lazy all day.