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Posted 22 May 2017 - 12:39 AM

 

Thanks both piet3r and 1kgcoffee... Regarding vitamin A, I prefer the pro-vitamin form (beta-carotene 5.000-10.000iu a day)... I would prefer to incorporate vitamin A through carrots, but I don´t like them at all :-(

"The liver looks at the vitamin K and D levels and adjusts the amount of vitamin A in proportion to your body - - -so eat your carrots - - - beta carotene is far safer than taking vitamin A." (source: http://www.k-vitamin...p?page=My_Story)

I will also try this tooth soap a couple of months (http://www.toothsoap...int-tooth-soap/) in order to help topically to remineralization... if that´s really possible...


I'm not aware of any evidence for toothsoap. Something with NovaMin might actually help. The magnified images in the NuPro brochure are impressive (NuPro is a prophy paste with NovaMin made by Sensodyne). There are also articles on pubmed that talk about NovaMin.

 

It's a good brochure. It lead me to finding another product that is called Dentin Sealant, and I think it could be much stronger and longer lasting than NovaMin, but I don't know the ingredients, if they are safe and could be used regularly and even applied by one self with a brush. Look at this, I assume professional, liquid and how it is said that it completely seals the dentin tubules, which NovaMin also does but not so strongly, for months from just one application, "A virtually impenetrable barrier remains for months after application", it's called ultradent universal dentin sealant. Look at the before and after pictures. If this liquid could be more solid like a toothpaste one could even brush with it. A tip for everyone is to grease your dental floss with NovaMin toothpaste to get it between your teeth.

 

The liquid:

 https://webcache.goo...v&ct=clnk&gl=se

 

And there is a brush for the application of the liquid to the teeth called black mini brush tip.

 

What do you guys think, is this something we could hire a technician for to transform and use it safely and easily at home, because I don't think dentists want everyone to use it and get well protected?


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Posted 22 May 2017 - 12:45 AM

 

Med Hypotheses. 2015 Jan 19. pii: S0306-9877(15)00032-8.

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The growing interest in oral/systemic links demand new paradigms to understand disease processes. New opportunities for dental research, particularly in the fields of neuroscience and endocrinology will emerge. The role of the hypothalamus portion of the brain cannot be underestimated. Under the influence of nutrition, it plays a significant role in the systemic model of dental caries. Currently, the traditional theory of dental caries considers only the oral environment and does not recognize any significant role for the brain. The healthy tooth, however, has a centrifugal fluid flow to nourish and cleanse it. This is moderated by the hypothalamus/parotid axis which signals the endocrine portion of the parotid glands. High sugar intake creates an increase in reactive oxygen species and oxidative stress in the hypothalamus. When this signaling mechanism halts or reverses the dentinal fluid flow, it renders the tooth vulnerable to oral bacteria, which can now attach to the tooth's surface. Acid produced by oral bacteria such as Strep Mutans and lactobacillus can now de-mineralize the enamel and irritate the dentin. The acid attack stimulates an inflammatory response which results in dentin breakdown from the body's own matrix metalloproteinases. Vitamin K2 (K2) has been shown to have an antioxidant potential in the brain and may prove to be a potent way to preserve the endocrine controlled centrifugal dentinal fluid flow. Stress, including oxidative stress, magnifies the body's inflammatory response. Sugar can not only increase oral bacterial acid production but it can concurrently reduce the tooth's defenses through endocrine signaling. Saliva production is the exocrine function of the salivary glands. The buffering capacity of saliva is critical to neutralizing the oral environment. This minimizes the de-mineralization of enamel and enhances its re-mineralization. K2, such as that found in fermented cheese, improves salivary buffering through its influence on calcium and inorganic phosphates secreted. Data collected from several selected primitive cultures on the cusp of civilization demonstrated the difference in dental health due to diet. The primitive diet group had few carious lesions compared to the group which consumed a civilized diet high in sugar and refined carbohydrates. The primitives were able to include the fat soluble vitamins, specifically K2, in their diet. More endocrine and neuroscience research is necessary to better understand how nutrition influences the tooth's defenses through the hypothalamus/parotid axis. It will also link dental caries to other inflammation related degenerative diseases such as diabetes.
PMID: 25636605

 

don't take too much k2, it might not be good for your retina.  

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 03:47 PM

 

 

Thanks both piet3r and 1kgcoffee... Regarding vitamin A, I prefer the pro-vitamin form (beta-carotene 5.000-10.000iu a day)... I would prefer to incorporate vitamin A through carrots, but I don´t like them at all :-(

"The liver looks at the vitamin K and D levels and adjusts the amount of vitamin A in proportion to your body - - -so eat your carrots - - - beta carotene is far safer than taking vitamin A." (source: http://www.k-vitamin...p?page=My_Story)

I will also try this tooth soap a couple of months (http://www.toothsoap...int-tooth-soap/) in order to help topically to remineralization... if that´s really possible...


I'm not aware of any evidence for toothsoap. Something with NovaMin might actually help. The magnified images in the NuPro brochure are impressive (NuPro is a prophy paste with NovaMin made by Sensodyne). There are also articles on pubmed that talk about NovaMin.

 

It's a good brochure. It lead me to finding another product that is called Dentin Sealant, and I think it could be much stronger and longer lasting than NovaMin, but I don't know the ingredients, if they are safe and could be used regularly and even applied by one self with a brush. Look at this, I assume professional, liquid and how it is said that it completely seals the dentin tubules, which NovaMin also does but not so strongly, for months from just one application, "A virtually impenetrable barrier remains for months after application", it's called ultradent universal dentin sealant. Look at the before and after pictures. If this liquid could be more solid like a toothpaste one could even brush with it. A tip for everyone is to grease your dental floss with NovaMin toothpaste to get it between your teeth.

 

The liquid:

 https://webcache.goo...v&ct=clnk&gl=se

 

And there is a brush for the application of the liquid to the teeth called black mini brush tip.

 

What do you guys think, is this something we could hire a technician for to transform and use it safely and easily at home, because I don't think dentists want everyone to use it and get well protected?

 

and if this chemical Dentin Sealant could be altered in some way to become an Enamel Sealant, and people went to the dentist every 1 january and every 1 june to have this varnish reapplied, they would literally not get any attack on their enamel ever. can't anyone start this business and save the world?


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Posted 16 August 2017 - 02:35 PM

I don't know how to edit my previous posts so I add info in a new post.

 

The ideal tooth repair would be to first use an adhesive varnish of maybe calcium or magnesium composite to fill and repair the weak spots, and then on top of it add the dentin and enamel sealant varnish, which impenetrably protects for 6 months against all acids etc, and re-varnish every half year. By doing like this there is no need to make root canal, dig out and kill the teeth. The teeth will this way be alive and well protected for maybe hundreds of years. This could be done already many decades ago, it isn't rocket science, but it isn't super profitable for the dentist industry.

 

On a side note, I brush my teeth with bar soap and toothpaste Sensodyne repair, the bar soap helps remove the plaque and bacteria so that the repairing molecules in the toothpaste can attach to the enamel. I also grease my dental tape with this paste. The soap is high PH, enabling more remineralization and stops the acids and kills, I think, the bacteria in the pockets between the teeth. 


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 12:08 PM

I am not a dentist so check my advice for your own safety. I prefer to grease my dental floss with only soap lather, grease it with toothpaste as little as possible. 

 

Concerning dentin regrowth I read that mineral trioxide activates the bone producing odontoblastic cells in the dentin when exposed to the chemical https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/21559841 . Maybe they can make a toothpaste or dental floss greased with this or some other more effective chemical.

 

Dentin maybe repair holes like other body parts do with collagen like tissue, if it stays clean from interference?


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Posted 17 September 2017 - 11:55 AM

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Posted 28 September 2017 - 12:49 PM

OMG you guys really need to get your heads around elemental transmutation of common elements at low temperatures found throughout nature.
Boron is key, thank you very much, and everything mentioned in this thread(except Strontium, I can't see any place for that!).
I'm growing my teeth back, first they stop wobbling, and if my diet stays good(we all prefer different amounts in our diets) then progress is made and maintained. Parasites hamper growth. Thx.
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Posted 29 January 2018 - 07:18 PM

For now I stopped using toothpaste, it contains polishing sand called hydrated silica which erodes the enamel surface. Also I think toothpaste promotes tartar build up because the minerals in toothpaste are deposited as tartar. Now I use a pea size of PH-neutral hand cream which has fat in it, Nivea Soft on my brush (I haven't tried yet if fat alone is good enough to brush with). It dissolves very quickly stuck food, like biscuits, and sticky debris on the teeth and cleans off bacteria effectively and coats the teeth with glycerin which protects the teeth for some hours. I use it sometimes also on my dental floss to clean between teeth. All gum inflammation vanished completely, gums look healthy and teeth look brighter, and tartar build up looks halted.


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Posted 29 January 2018 - 08:35 PM

In a span of less than a month taking the vitamin K complex from Life Extension I have managed to eliminate pain from my teeth.

My cavities have filled a little it appears but not entirely. Lots of people are saying it takes months so I will continue.

 

Here's what to know: both calcium and k2 alone can cause toothache. This, I believe, is because they are remineralizing the teeth. Artificial sweeteners like xylitol because xylitol causes calcium to be excreted in the salvia (all sweet things do) also cause short-lived tooth ache.

Adding vitamin D to the K does not produce toothache.

 



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Posted 29 January 2018 - 08:50 PM

I always found the opposite. Aspirin actually caused decay but I used to chew my asprins
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Posted 28 February 2018 - 04:28 PM

I stopped using Nivea soft cream as toothpaste alternative (will only use it to stop a swollen inflamed gum) because it has too many chemicals and made me feel weird. Now I only use hot tap water on my medium hard Aquafresh Clean Control brush which is not abrasive at all according to research compared to toothpaste and it does the trick for me and always brush immediately after meal, don't let anything sit on the teeth. And use slim dental floss, the thick ones hurt my gums. Still waiting for safe enamel sealant which will protect the living teeth.



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Posted 07 March 2018 - 02:14 PM

For now I stopped using toothpaste, it contains polishing sand called hydrated silica which erodes the enamel surface. Also I think toothpaste promotes tartar build up because the minerals in toothpaste are deposited as tartar. Now I use a pea size of PH-neutral hand cream which has fat in it, Nivea Soft on my brush (I haven't tried yet if fat alone is good enough to brush with). It dissolves very quickly stuck food, like biscuits, and sticky debris on the teeth and cleans off bacteria effectively and coats the teeth with glycerin which protects the teeth for some hours. I use it sometimes also on my dental floss to clean between teeth. All gum inflammation vanished completely, gums look healthy and teeth look brighter, and tartar build up looks halted.

If supplementing with vitamin D + K especially, you can use something like Uncle Harry's natural toothpaste (look at the ingredients) or celtic sea salt + baking soda + coconut oil (ie, go fluoride and glycerine free). You can also look into the iodine protocol.

In a span of less than a month taking the vitamin K complex from Life Extension I have managed to eliminate pain from my teeth.
My cavities have filled a little it appears but not entirely. Lots of people are saying it takes months so I will continue.

Here's what to know: both calcium and k2 alone can cause toothache. This, I believe, is because they are remineralizing the teeth. Artificial sweeteners like xylitol because xylitol causes calcium to be excreted in the salvia (all sweet things do) also cause short-lived tooth ache.
Adding vitamin D to the K does not produce toothache.

How much vitamin K are you taking? This is a great time to look into megadose vitamin D (30,000-50,000 IU for 6 months; 10 IU D3 : 2 mcg+ MK-4): https://www.amazon.c...t/dp/1491243821.

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 05:00 PM

 

For now I stopped using toothpaste, it contains polishing sand called hydrated silica which erodes the enamel surface. Also I think toothpaste promotes tartar build up because the minerals in toothpaste are deposited as tartar. Now I use a pea size of PH-neutral hand cream which has fat in it, Nivea Soft on my brush (I haven't tried yet if fat alone is good enough to brush with). It dissolves very quickly stuck food, like biscuits, and sticky debris on the teeth and cleans off bacteria effectively and coats the teeth with glycerin which protects the teeth for some hours. I use it sometimes also on my dental floss to clean between teeth. All gum inflammation vanished completely, gums look healthy and teeth look brighter, and tartar build up looks halted.

If supplementing with vitamin D + K especially, you can use something like Uncle Harry's natural toothpaste (look at the ingredients) or celtic sea salt + baking soda + coconut oil (ie, go fluoride and glycerine free). You can also look into the iodine protocol.

In a span of less than a month taking the vitamin K complex from Life Extension I have managed to eliminate pain from my teeth.
My cavities have filled a little it appears but not entirely. Lots of people are saying it takes months so I will continue.

Here's what to know: both calcium and k2 alone can cause toothache. This, I believe, is because they are remineralizing the teeth. Artificial sweeteners like xylitol because xylitol causes calcium to be excreted in the salvia (all sweet things do) also cause short-lived tooth ache.
Adding vitamin D to the K does not produce toothache.

How much vitamin K are you taking? This is a great time to look into megadose vitamin D (30,000-50,000 IU for 6 months; 10 IU D3 : 2 mcg+ MK-4): https://www.amazon.c...t/dp/1491243821.

 

 

I actually don't brush with any toothpaste now, as I said before they make tartar, contain abrasives and contribute to gum infections on me. Now I brush with only hot tap water poured on my brush every 15 seconds in order to more effectively dissolve dirt on teeth and give warm massage to the gums, my gums haven't been so pink and healthy in years. You mention an alternative toothpaste with sea salt and baking soda, which both are salts and I think are also abrasive and tartar-creating.

 

I tested vitamin D, but it made a lot of tartar on my teeth and pains in my arteries because I think it actually absorbs too much calcium into soft tissues, which is not good from a longevity standpoint, it can cause atherosclerosis etc. because the vitamin has a biphasic dose effect, it means low dose gives benefits but high dose gives atherosclerosis etc, https://academic.oup.../5/1704/1844110

 

Vitamin K I also tested low dose, 300mcg.  It is said to be anti-atherosclerotic. (I took same day 1-2 grams pine pollen powder so maybe it was the culprit) and suddenly I started bleeding very easily and my skin wound on my thumb bled all day. I think maybe it is because it removes calcium which is necessary for blod clotting (I have not retested taking vitamin K yet). People who have high vitamin K intake from food live longer though, http://www.lifeexten...tamin-k/page-01


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Posted 07 March 2018 - 05:06 PM

Check out an apatite toothpaste, e.g. M+ from Japan. I've used M+ for ten years, you can get it on Amazon. 

https://www.amazon.c...g/dp/B0016GCZQO



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Posted 07 March 2018 - 07:22 PM

Vitamin K I also tested low dose, 300mcg.  It is said to be anti-atherosclerotic. (I took same day 1-2 grams pine pollen powder so maybe it was the culprit) and suddenly I started bleeding very easily and my skin wound on my thumb bled all day. I think maybe it is because it removes calcium which is necessary for blod clotting (I have not retested taking vitamin K yet). People who have high vitamin K intake from food live longer though, http://www.lifeexten...tamin-k/page-01

Vitamin K definitely increases propensity for bleeding. I get nose bloods and sudden bleeding from my wounds sometimes. The more vitamin K (super K from Life Extension) I take the more likely it is that I will randomly bleed. It also seems to increase blood volume or hemoglobin since my skin turns reddish (exact same effect I get from iron supplementation) and my body heat increases.

 



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Posted 08 March 2018 - 02:06 AM

For now I stopped using toothpaste, it contains polishing sand called hydrated silica which erodes the enamel surface. Also I think toothpaste promotes tartar build up because the minerals in toothpaste are deposited as tartar. Now I use a pea size of PH-neutral hand cream which has fat in it, Nivea Soft on my brush (I haven't tried yet if fat alone is good enough to brush with). It dissolves very quickly stuck food, like biscuits, and sticky debris on the teeth and cleans off bacteria effectively and coats the teeth with glycerin which protects the teeth for some hours. I use it sometimes also on my dental floss to clean between teeth. All gum inflammation vanished completely, gums look healthy and teeth look brighter, and tartar build up looks halted.

If supplementing with vitamin D + K especially, you can use something like Uncle Harry's natural toothpaste (look at the ingredients) or celtic sea salt + baking soda + coconut oil (ie, go fluoride and glycerine free). You can also look into the iodine protocol.

In a span of less than a month taking the vitamin K complex from Life Extension I have managed to eliminate pain from my teeth.
My cavities have filled a little it appears but not entirely. Lots of people are saying it takes months so I will continue.

Here's what to know: both calcium and k2 alone can cause toothache. This, I believe, is because they are remineralizing the teeth. Artificial sweeteners like xylitol because xylitol causes calcium to be excreted in the salvia (all sweet things do) also cause short-lived tooth ache.
Adding vitamin D to the K does not produce toothache.

How much vitamin K are you taking? This is a great time to look into megadose vitamin D (30,000-50,000 IU for 6 months; 10 IU D3 : 2 mcg+ MK-4): https://www.amazon.c...t/dp/1491243821.
I actually don't brush with any toothpaste now, as I said before they make tartar, contain abrasives and contribute to gum infections on me. Now I brush with only hot tap water poured on my brush every 15 seconds in order to more effectively dissolve dirt on teeth and give warm massage to the gums, my gums haven't been so pink and healthy in years. You mention an alternative toothpaste with sea salt and baking soda, which both are salts and I think are also abrasive and tartar-creating.

I tested vitamin D, but it made a lot of tartar on my teeth and pains in my arteries because I think it actually absorbs too much calcium into soft tissues, which is not good from a longevity standpoint, it can cause atherosclerosis etc. because the vitamin has a biphasic dose effect, it means low dose gives benefits but high dose gives atherosclerosis etc, https://academic.oup.../5/1704/1844110

Vitamin K I also tested low dose, 300mcg. It is said to be anti-atherosclerotic. (I took same day 1-2 grams pine pollen powder so maybe it was the culprit) and suddenly I started bleeding very easily and my skin wound on my thumb bled all day. I think maybe it is because it removes calcium which is necessary for blod clotting (I have not retested taking vitamin K yet). People who have high vitamin K intake from food live longer though, http://www.lifeexten...tamin-k/page-01
Vitamin D can increase calcium if not taken with vitamin K (ratio in my previous post). Vitamin K (1.5mg+ MK-4) is fabled, as it tends to leave the mouth clean (removes and prevents buildup). Try a D + K supplement (like Life Extension D + K) and the toothpaste I mentioned. It has paste in the name, but it does not contain typical ingredients.

Edited by baccheion, 08 March 2018 - 02:08 AM.


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Posted 08 March 2018 - 12:58 PM

Also, take enough magnesium with it https://www.scienced...80226122548.htm


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Posted 23 June 2018 - 10:56 AM

I use extra soft tepe toothbrush on the sides of my teeth to be gentle on the gums (which can recede if the brush is too hard) and on the chewing surfaces i use a harder brush and reapply water on it after every 3-4 strokes to brush off stuck food. I use for my tight sitting teeth a flat and thin tooth floss. I have all my teeth and i only go to dentist to clean off calculus on the lower front teeth, i don't let them scratch on my molars because dentists are enemies of molars.



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Posted 28 June 2018 - 07:30 AM

Update from my last comment: last time I took Super K (vitamin K1, k2) for 3 months, the full duration of the bottle and it appeared to maybe have worked a little. This time I take my vitamin K with a mineral supplement containing all minerals, over 70 of them, and I take them in quite high amounts and it's been almost a month. I also take 800mg calcium. Yet my cavity does not appear to be closing given the time it's taken. What does happen is that pain subsides. The vitamin K is what specifically removes cavity pain.

 

This is not my teeth but my cavity is similar. It's D I am referring to. My cavity is on the side, next to another tooth, thus widening the gap between these two teeth.

dental-problems-s3-tooth-decay.jpg


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 12:09 PM

how could it become like that, do you every day eat and drink acid stuff (wine, beer, oranges, sauerkraut, sodas) or let wheat products like cookies sit stuck on the teeth for 10-20 minutes, and never rinse your mouth after meal? That diet prevents healing of the outer layer. The tooth can benefit, i assume, from application 2-3 times per day of sensodyne repair (if it's on the side between teeth then grease a dental floss with the tooth paste), it can then hopefully build and outer layer of remineralized teeth which can look discolored but its only an aesthetic issue. I read that magnesium makes teeth twice as hard and people who ingest the most magnesium don't get cavities and keep their teeth. I noticed from taking magnesium-hydroxide, 150mg per day, that my teeth became very mineralised, looked like semi-transparent rock, so i stopped taking it because i read somewhere it can leak out calcium.

 

Don't use a hard abrasive dental floss.


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 01:24 PM

how could it become like that

Dentists. It started as a small cavity but dentists drilled to make their fillings fit or whatever their reasoning is. The filling fell out years later and now I am stuck with this hole.


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 05:39 PM

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