There are many good supplements that really work and make your mind and body healthier while you are taking it. Many awesome adaptogens will improve your state, but when you stop taking them, you eventually go back to your previous baseline. This is good stuff, but I'm curious to learn which are the supplements that cause healing in the body and brain such that that healing is done and remains after a course of that supplement is over?
which supplements cause permanent healing (not requiring maintenance for effects)?
#1
Posted 01 December 2013 - 10:16 AM
There are many good supplements that really work and make your mind and body healthier while you are taking it. Many awesome adaptogens will improve your state, but when you stop taking them, you eventually go back to your previous baseline. This is good stuff, but I'm curious to learn which are the supplements that cause healing in the body and brain such that that healing is done and remains after a course of that supplement is over?
#2
Posted 05 December 2013 - 12:11 AM
Okay, so far I see negative things about MDMA, haloperidol, nicotine, PCP.. Okay need to dig deeper.
Will update with what I find. Hopefully new-ish exciting stuff!
#3
Posted 05 December 2013 - 01:14 AM
#4
Posted 05 December 2013 - 05:39 AM
#5
Posted 05 December 2013 - 04:29 PM
On the other hand, it may have no effect at all and the reason my illnesses go away almost before they start is that I am eating well and taking some other vitamins. Either way, these stinky fellows stay on my shelf; no harm in a placebo if it works.
Edited by Gerrans, 05 December 2013 - 04:55 PM.
#6
Posted 07 December 2013 - 03:21 PM
Niner is right, if you cure some deficiencies or start a chelation therapy then you will have long lasting healing but it won't be permanent.
#7
Posted 07 December 2013 - 03:47 PM
#8
Posted 07 December 2013 - 05:51 PM
Things that fall into the category of a growth hormones might fit your definition. Problem is they might also enhance tumor growth so long term use might be a really bad idea. TB500 stimulates tendon healing. As long as the injury was the result of over-exertion and you don't do it again, maintenance shouldn't be needed. It might be considered kind of a borderline growth hormone but NAC has been shown to obviate any long term tumor enhancement effects. Gotu Kola stimulates wound healing but has similar but lesser pronounced issues that might be minimized by cycling. Some people do that to maintain calming effects.
Howard
#9
Posted 07 December 2013 - 06:02 PM
Gotu Kola stimulates wound healing but has similar but lesser pronounced issues that might be minimized by cycling. Some people do that to maintain calming effects.
Can you elaborate on the 'lesser pronounced' issues with Gotu Kola supplementation? Never heard anything myself except that thread by scienceguy where he went completely overboard and condemned all GABAergic supplements. And then went on to promote even less understood GABAergic supplements like Relora (active ingredient Honokiol, very GABAergic, very pleiotropic, completely unstudied in humans) and more dangerous and also understudied prescription drugs like Clonidine (TONS of side effects and bad rebound effects).
Edited by Bateau, 07 December 2013 - 06:15 PM.
#10
Posted 07 December 2013 - 08:18 PM
Gotu Kola stimulates wound healing but has similar but lesser pronounced issues that might be minimized by cycling. Some people do that to maintain calming effects.
Can you elaborate on the 'lesser pronounced' issues with Gotu Kola supplementation? Never heard anything myself except that thread by scienceguy where he went completely overboard and condemned all GABAergic supplements...
I think this is the site that gave me the impression that the tumor growth promotion (and liver issues which I forgot about) are less of an issue if you cycle off for 2 weeks out of every 8:
http://umm.edu/healt.../herb/gotu-kola
Howard
#11
Posted 07 December 2013 - 08:43 PM
There's 4 studies on pubmed that mention cancer and Asiaticoside (the chemical mentioned as a potential carcinogen in the article you provided). 3 of them suggest that Gotu Kola could be used as an adjunct therapy to CURE cancer.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/15601545Asiaticoside, as a biochemical modulator, may induce apoptosis,and enhance anti-tumor activity of vincristine in cancer cells, might be useful in cancer chemotherapy.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17067171Three new 9,19-cycloartane triterpene glycosides, asiaticoside A (1), asiaticoside B (2), and 25-O-ethylcimigenol-3-O-beta-D-xylopyranoside (3), together with cimiacemoside I (4), 25-O-acetylcimigenol-3-beta-O-D-xyloside (5), and 25-anhydrocimigenol-beta-O-D-xyloside (6) were isolated from the roots/rhizomes extract of Actaea asiatica, and their structures were established by spectroscopic methods (IR, HRESIMS, and NMR). Compounds 1-3, 5, and 6 had notable cytotoxicity against HepG2 and MCF-7 cancer cell lines.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22080437This study showed that asiaticoside, acting as a biochemical modulator, may induce apoptosis and enhance antitumor activity in MCF-7 cells, as determined by (99m)Tc-Tfos and (99m)Tc-MIBI uptake. These findings are promising for cancer chemotherapy. Future studies should be performed to confirm our findings and to further delineate the clinical role of asiaticoside
In the fourth study they covered rats with benzene (a known carcinogen) and Asiaticoside and to quote
http://cancerres.aac.../32/7/1463.long"The incidence of reticuloses and malignant lymphomas was higher in the asiaticoside-treated mice than in the controls, but the difference was not significant"
All in all an understandable concern, but it seems to be fairly harmless, if not helpful in regards to cancer.
Edited by Bateau, 07 December 2013 - 09:15 PM.
#12
Posted 07 December 2013 - 08:54 PM
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/15507334
There are apparently multiple constituents with opposing cancer and/or tumor effects. Guess you'd get them all from the whole herb. Water and alcohol extracts, however, seem to have opposite effects on tumor necrosis factor.
Howard
#13
Posted 07 December 2013 - 09:01 PM
[1] http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/16729760
[2] http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/15366600
[3] http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19323754
[4] http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17600859
[5] http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/16161023
[6] http://hortsci.ashsp...t/42/3/633.full
Edited by Bateau, 07 December 2013 - 09:17 PM.
#14
Posted 07 December 2013 - 09:05 PM
The study you've referenced has nothing to do with cancer or tumors and in no way whatsoever implies that gotu kola caused cancer malignancies. It shows that centella asiatica has both pro and anti-inflammitory mechanisms, which AFAIK would be necessary for it to accelerate would healing without causing systemic inflammation, which is what it does. The study just helps explain how Gotu Kola does what it's usually consumed for, accelerated wound healing.Yes, studies on gotu kola seem contradictory. This study might explain why:
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/15507334
There are apparently multiple constituents with opposing cancer and/or tumor effects. Guess you'd get them all from the whole herb. Water and alcohol extracts, however, seem to have opposite effects on tumor necrosis factor.
Thanks for the discussion, I always want to get to the bottom of the potential risks of the substances I'm taking.
Sorry OP for the threadjack.
Edited by Bateau, 07 December 2013 - 09:33 PM.
#15
Posted 09 December 2013 - 05:47 AM
A positive psychedelic experience in a a good setting for example : http://link.springer...0213-006-0457-5
#16
Posted 11 February 2023 - 11:48 PM
only essential nutrients help with healing not herbs or drugs
your body is constantly healing and repairing and breaking
#17
Posted 12 February 2023 - 05:12 PM
prescription drugs like Clonidine (TONS of side effects and bad rebound effects).
Side effects? I've used for years.
Edited by ironfistx, 12 February 2023 - 05:16 PM.
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