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[A941]

From the philosophical standpoint we didnt move that much the only thing we as single humans can say for certain is Descartes "I think therfore I Am".

But lets say we can create an AI far beyond our limited biological hardware, could it be possible, for this AI, to know more things about the world similar to our "cogito ergo sum", just by having a different "hardware" etc. ?

[Julia36]

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Edited by Innocent, 18 February 2014 - 01:15 AM.

[Julia36]

hardware/software wetware other stuff...doesn't make much difference as I see it...

You are using tools. They don't even have to be ware at all.

Maths is as good as all working computers IMO.

But I'm up for a debate on this A941.

we could define Intelligence as general problem solving, and actuators like robots or people
as environmental modifiers, where the environment is the known world.

'To know' is 'to react' in humans. Knowledge is the measurement of how much we react and what those internal reactions are...usually in the brain...but not always.

I cant see differences between biology and other systems????

Wonder what models you use?

Descartes was OK but does something that doesn't think not exist?

The answer is technology IMO, which is a profound philosophy

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[Layberinthius]

Intelligence is the sum of two components, gained knowledge and how quickly or how many tasks a brain can undertake at one point in time.

 

The only way I can see how a thinking AI computer can improve upon the human brain is by knowing more and doing more things at the same time.

 

So a human savant brain might be able to count all of the poppy seeds on a Bagel in an instant, but so can a computer. Eventually.

 

And a computer can recollect the library of congress in an instant, several thousand times all in quick sucession. But a human cannot because it overloads the decision making process of our brains.

 

So if you have a computer with the descision making process of a thousand minds and pooled all of their resources together. Sort of like how you have multiple cores per cpu and multiple cpu's per server, then not only can the digital brain gather, record, and analyze thousands of points of data per second but it can refine the answer to the big philsophical questions. Sort of like how somebody with Schitzophrenia or Multiple Personalities can answer some of the really big questions in life, but the answer is always too far out of our realm of understanding.

 

It could even predict the future through careful analysis of current objectives of the human race and/or the movement of all atomic particles in one defined area.

 

However. A computer with an capacity of thought 1,000,000 times larger than the average human's brain would need to have a question first before it can answer it, and I don't see how a digital brain of such magnitude, having known all, having done every action that is possible in the universe would somehow be able to still have questions like, why am I here? or have conundrums like "I think therefore I am".

 

 

Fact of the matter is, the computer will know exactly what it is, and why it thinks, because it would be so powerful as to be able to trace and track every single atom in its brain, it would be able to slow down time to a point where it can logically and rationally analyze every single thought pattern in super slow motion.

 

And there is a reason why I say this last bit about time and the slowing down of because I believe that the fundamental human statement of "I think therefore I am" is the human brain giving an answer to the question of "Why do I feel like I am unique?" or "Why do I think at all?" or "Why am I human and not a rock? or a squirrel?"

 

To put it simply, that paticular statement is the human brain being inundated by a lack of knowledge and information about the makeup of the universe and the world around it. We cannot see atoms with the naked eye, but we know that they are there. We cannot see the cosmos moving in unison with the galactic center. But we know it is happening. So therefore the whole point of that thought process is to answer the nagging Logical question which must be answered. Kind of like shock, like "Why did you hit me mum??".

 

So the brain ends up short circuiting, it ends up hitting the physical wall of counciousness. I think thefore I am is beyond that physical wall of counciousness. unable for us to understand its meaning, its fundamental logic is pulling us towards it but our Brains cannot process it.

 

So to summarize it down into a statement that even a laymen's person can understand. If you were to build a computer that is significantly larger than a human brain then put it to task to answering some of the universes largest questions. It would more than likely not have an answer that it itself could understand. It would think that there is just more questions to answer to what lies beyond the universe, to what lies beyond the galaxy. And it would be just as stumped as we are, just with many more answers to life's fundamental philosophical questions.

 

This is I believe a fundamental flaw, a deliberate flaw in the Counciousness portion of our brain. If we continue to keep ourselves curious about the world around us, then we will want to continue to remain alive. To continue to answer questions. For all of eternity.

 

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, etc. Kind of like a carrot dangling infront of a rabbit.

 

The computer would give us an answer, and we would accept it, I think therefore I am would be answered in a nanosecond, but the computer will remain with further unanswerable questions of its own that a human being cannot ever fully understand. Most of which we cannot even begin to fathom because they would be so incredibly complex...

 

That's my take on it anyway.... I think therefore I am is a question, not a statement of fact. And in our current mental states of being trapped inside biological bodies, it is currently an unanswerable question. But won't be for much longer.

 

And my answer to the question is: I think therfore I am because I am moving through space time.

Edited by Layberinthius, 29 April 2014 - 05:39 PM.

[A941]

I was more interested in questions like: could the AI be completely sure that it is not subject to deception, in the way we are sure that our consciousness exists.