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[Danail Bulgaria]

Will that mean, that from the 2 infected americans, at least one should have survived?

[Nemo888]

We will need many more infected to get some firm numbers on survival rates with first world medical interventions. Hopefully we will never know with any certainty. Since it attacks macrophages at the initial site of infection health care workers with their stronger than average immune systems may be at increased risk. Pure speculation of course, but they may have a higher mortality rate since those infected macrophages will travel throughout their entire bodies spreading infection very quickly.

If I were preparing for an epidemic I would be getting electrolytes and ppe for a home isolation room. Of course I am doing nothing of the sort. But who knows. Vitamins are a complete waste of time.

Edited by Nemo888, 13 October 2014 - 05:55 PM.

[Danail Bulgaria]

This is not the correct path of thinking. The correct is not to have the "firm numbers" of infected, because otherwise the baloon of what you call the "first world medical interventions" will explode.

 

P.S. and at the end you still will have 70% mortality.

[Mind]

This is not the correct path of thinking. The correct is not to have the "firm numbers" of infected, because otherwise the baloon of what you call the "first world medical interventions" will explode.

 

P.S. and at the end you still will have 70% mortality.

 

In the U.S. the survival rate is 75%, (Mupko currently improving).. It could well be 100% if Mr. Duncan had been treated earlier and with the same protocol as the others that survived. For whatever reason he was rejected treatment when he first went to the hospital.

 

I know they are giving these people IV fluids and experimental vaccines/drugs. Does anyone know the exact fluids which people are given. Is the CDC providing that information publicly? They should.

[Danail Bulgaria]

Even though do what you can to stop epidemy.

[Nemo888]

Even though do what you can to stop epidemy.

Identify and quarantine the infected. Simple, but not easy. Once there is sufficient will it doesn't take long. We are a long way off from an epidemic here. Perhaps in some locales in Africa it is time for burning bodies and the infected's belongings. We still have some time to put out the fire before it comes here. I think the response may be ramping up sufficiently now. Thankfully the media are making people think about epidemics. More people die from slipping in the tub than terrorists and we waste billions on that. An epidemic could actually kill tens of thousands. Better to be prepared for an actual threat. Maybe talk more about terrorist with ebola. Then we can get the resources we need to put up an effective defense.

Edited by Nemo888, 13 October 2014 - 06:43 PM.

[Danail Bulgaria]

Not easy todo from you.There are people, whose job is that. As a beginning you may quarantine the town with the infected and close the airports for Africa.

[Nemo888]

Looks like Sierra Leone's health care response is totally overwhelmed. They are now at the stage where the sick stay at home and medical martial law is imposed. Now the disease will really start moving. Probably have to quarantine the country before it burns itself out. I'd panic now if I lived there. Time to get the hell out of the country.
http://mobile.nytime...erra-leone.html

[shifter]

We will need many more infected to get some firm numbers on survival rates with first world medical interventions. Hopefully we will never know with any certainty. Since it attacks macrophages at the initial site of infection health care workers with their stronger than average immune systems may be at increased risk. Pure speculation of course, but they may have a higher mortality rate since those infected macrophages will travel throughout their entire bodies spreading infection very quickly.

If I were preparing for an epidemic I would be getting electrolytes and ppe for a home isolation room. Of course I am doing nothing of the sort. But who knows. Vitamins are a complete waste of time.

 

So if the virus works by turning the immune system against you could it be a case that attempting to boost your immune system could work against you?

 

Ethanol (or alcohol) is good at killing almost everything (at least in vitro). Maybe being drunk could actually help reduce the viral load somewhat?  It's not exactly conventinal though. But maybe the concentration required would kill you before the virus? If I were a dying in a hospital bed with Ebola, I'd want something tried otherwise it's just another wasted, meaningless death.

 

Also as you cant keep any food down or inside you for very long, I wouldn't advocate eating heaps of 'immune boosting' foods like coconut oil and olive leaf extract etc in your symptomatic period, but rather if you were afraid you came in contact with someone who was infected or deliberately putting yourself in harms way like the aid workers travelling there. Regardless, at this time we dont know what works, and what doesn't or even if our attempts to get better only make things a lot worse.

Edited by shifter, 13 October 2014 - 10:17 PM.

[Mind]

Pretty sparse information from the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/v...ment/index.html

 

Is this just standard IV fluids and electrolytes, or some special mixture?

[xEva]

Pretty sparse information from the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/v...ment/index.html

 

Is this just standard IV fluids and electrolytes, or some special mixture?

 

I believe it's a standard IV drip, which is salt in water, likely with glucose. Maybe other electrolytes added in fancier versions.. ..but I defer to Nemo888.. 

[Ark]

http://worldtruth.tv...eak-in-america/

[Ark]

http://worldtruth.tv...eak-in-america/

[Nemo888]

There are three antiviral drugs targeting Ebola. ZMap and TKM-Ebola from the US and JK-05 from China. They have all been in development for years and could be fast tracked for approval though none have undergone human trials because you can't infect humans with Ebola to test it.

There is a human vaccine from Canada that is undergoing human trials in Maryland now. The Japanese antiviral flu drug favipiravir has been effective on Ebola. Since Sierra Leone is descending into chaos I find this somewhat comforting.

For IV's my favoutite is Ringer's lactate. When things get serious you need an IV expert continuously monitoring your BP and getting blood chemistry done. If you don't have them electrolyte solution has saved countless lives. When you are exploding out of both ends and even especially then sipping electrolytes is hugely therapeutic. If you lack those get coconut juice. Bacteriostatic and packed with electrolytes(potassium, sodium and calcium) it can be golden when things go bad. Even heard from some rebels who swear they have used it as IV fluid.

Edited by Nemo888, 14 October 2014 - 10:49 AM.

[Ark]

Does anyone know the science behind the Russian vaccine also I've heard on the news they are attempting to release a drug that will improve the survival ratio???

[Nemo888]

http://worldtruth.tv...eak-in-america/

 

That articel is silly. The CDC patents things like Ebola to keep the infomation in the pubic domain. You just ask for their info and they have never charged any fees. They aren't lying about the method of transmission. There is considerable debate among the scientific and health care community. Older outmoded models from 1950's research needing to be overturned is neither new or nefarious. An air travel ban is an economy killer for the affected coutnries and eventually the world. Finding a mom&pop lowest bidder decontam crew is not in anyone's interest. Sealing it up 120 days is a very smart way to let the bulk of the virus die. The natural remedies are bullshit snake oil being shilled by scum bag profiteers.

 

That article is annoying. It's just written by some dumb ass bored house bound spouse who's idea of research is reading Mercola and typing EBOLA PANIC CONSPIRACY into Google.

 

http://listverse.com...e-ebola-crisis/

Edited by Nemo888, 14 October 2014 - 12:35 PM.

[Nemo888]

 

Edited by Nemo888, 14 October 2014 - 12:35 PM.

[Ark]

http://worldtruth.tv...eak-in-america/

That articel is silly. The CDC patents things like Ebola to keep the infomation in the pubic domain. You just ask for their info and they have never charged any fees. They aren't lying about the method of transmission. There is considerable debate among the scientific and health care community. Older outmoded models from 1950's research needing to be overturned is neither new or nefarious. An air travel ban is an economy killer for the affected coutnries and eventually the world. Finding a mom&pop lowest bidder decontam crew is not in anyone's interest. Sealing it up 120 days is a very smart way to let the bulk of the virus die. The natural remedies are bullshit snake oil being shilled by scum bag profiteers.

That article is annoying. It's just written by some dumb ass bored house bound spouse who's idea of research is reading Mercola and typing EBOLA PANIC CONSPIRACY into Google.

http://listverse.com...e-ebola-crisis/

The article is just another view, the conspiracy gets it's power from the gross handling of the out break that cannot be denied.

[Ark]

http://m.soundcloud....stions-answered

[Mind]

 

 

The article is just another view, the conspiracy gets it's power from the gross handling of the out break that cannot be denied. 

 

"Gross mis-handling" of the outbreak, is probably better phrasing. I am glad to see them trying to keep people calm, but they could have increased monitoring sooner.

[RorschachRev]

I think that supplements and vitamins would be most effective prior to symptoms. Among health care workers in West Africa, the mortality rate was 50%. Kind of hard to say that a sample size of 4 indicates anything.

 

For treatment outside Africa: 3 dead, 6 "recovered", 6 "in treatment". Still 66% but another thing that skews the results is transportation and they are treating with enormous resources. (Including the last of the ZMapp that will be available for months.) 

 

The best way to prevent Ebola in the US is limit the infection in West Africa. There have outbreaks in the past, but most were limited to under 100 infections. Several times more people have died in this Ebola outbreak than all of the others combined. For that reason alone, I judge this to be a gross mishandling of the situation.

 

As for induced global panic, I give credibility to conspiracy theories based on evidence exclusively. I think Obama would have actually been more competent about the situation if he was conspiring.

[Ark]

http://m.naturalnews...campaign=buffer

[RorschachRev]

WHO mentions Dallas, but not by name. 

WHO is alarmed by media reports of suspected Ebola cases imported into new countries that are said, by government officials or ministries of health, to be discarded as “negative” within hours after the suspected case enters the country.

Such rapid determination of infection status is impossible, casting grave doubts on some of the official information that is being communicated to the public and the media.

[Nemo888]

http://m.bbc.com/new...africa-29625481
Africa is spiraling out of control and without a huge influx of resources will get much worse. I think it has already passed our ability to mobilize. I really don't see how this won't turn into a global pandemic. We have months to prepare. Once a case hits one of the poorer Central American countries or a war torn Middle Eastern one this will be a long bumpy ride.

Anyone know a good place online to get electrolyte packs? They cost a ridiculous amount of money in North America. They cost pennies in most of the world. Why do they cost so much here?

Edited by Nemo888, 15 October 2014 - 08:11 AM.

[Danail Bulgaria]

Why your government do not want to close the airports for Africa and quarantine the city with the infected?

[Nemo888]

Why didn't they just burn the first infected village to the ground like we have been doing for the last 30 years keeping the dead to under 100?

It takes a terrible will to take on a disease like Ebola. Half measures use massive amounts of resources and you still don't get ahead of the infection rate. Eventually you can't save everyone and have to make sacrifices for the good of the many.

[Danail Bulgaria]

It won't help anymore. Now you'll have to burn the whole infected African countries.

 

[Danail Bulgaria]

This thread is idiotic.  The threat to the first world from Ebola is negligible.  It's being used by xenophobes and racists to stoke fear among the ignorant, and as we all know, fear is a powerful tool for manipulating the public.  Let's stop all this useless talk about protecting ourselves with herbal cures, and instead talk about how easy it is to NOT get Ebola.  Just don't have physical contact with people who are infected.  That's it.  Done.

 

Stop empowering creeps like Donald Trump.

 

It is 15.10.2014 today. I wonder if you have changed something from your opinion.

 

By the way, how to stop to empower Donald Trump

[Nemo888]

The disease will burn itself out if contained. With the lack of medical care a 70% fatality rate for infected would be expected. I just can't see getting enough trained bodies, vehicles, PPE, food, etc into the worst infected areas. It is already too large. The logistics doesn't work without every country on earth working together and that does not happen very often. You are not going to get many volunteers.

[Danail Bulgaria]

The disease will burn itself out if contained. With the lack of medical care a 70% fatality rate for infected would be expected. I just can't see getting enough trained bodies, vehicles, PPE, food, etc into the worst infected areas. It is already too large. The logistics doesn't work without every country on earth working together and that does not happen very often. You are not going to get many volunteers.

 

To be more precise, you will not be getting any volunteers. No one with a brain in his head will go to the ebola's worst infected regions.

 

Simply stop the infected getting out of the continent, named Africa. The outbreak will die away as a natural process.