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[Kalliste]

Another US health worker has been diagnosed. Wow

[Danail Bulgaria]

Anyone know a good place online to get electrolyte packs? They cost a ridiculous amount of money in North America. They cost pennies in most of the world. Why do they cost so much here?

 

Why not buy them from somewhere else and ship them?

 

What is the price for shipping? I may buy some and send them to you.

[Nemo888]

I found out why we didn't burn the village down. Guinea never had an Ebola outbreak before. No one was looking.

 

I know a few who have volunteered already. There are some heroic, compassionate nutters out there.

 

You know things have gone to shit when health care workers stop calling them patients and start calling them carriers.

Edited by Nemo888, 15 October 2014 - 09:32 AM.

[Danail Bulgaria]

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I know a few who have volunteered already. There are some heroic, compassionate nutters out there.

 

That's wonderful! God bless them and their souls.

[Danail Bulgaria]

Pretty sparse information from the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/v...ment/index.html

 

Is this just standard IV fluids and electrolytes, or some special mixture?

 

It is possible they to infuse plasma from infected and survived people from ebola, e.g. from those 30% that survive. It shoud contain effective antibodies against the ebola.

[mikeinnaples]

Another US health worker has been diagnosed. Wow

 

Not only that.......

 

The second Dallas health care worker with Ebola was on a flight from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday -- the day before she reported symptoms, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday. Because of the proximity in time between the Monday evening flight and the first report of her illness, the CDC wants to interview all 132 passengers on her flight -- Frontier Airlines Flight 1143 from Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth, which landed at 8:16 p.m. CT Monday, the CDC said.

 

[Mind]

 

Another US health worker has been diagnosed. Wow

 

Not only that.......

 

The second Dallas health care worker with Ebola was on a flight from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday -- the day before she reported symptoms, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday. Because of the proximity in time between the Monday evening flight and the first report of her illness, the CDC wants to interview all 132 passengers on her flight -- Frontier Airlines Flight 1143 from Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth, which landed at 8:16 p.m. CT Monday, the CDC said.

 

 

 

Obama's inept CDC was supposed to have that person "under watch". How the hell could they allow her on a plane? This is getting ridiculous. For all the conspiracy aficionados out there - seems like an "elite" plan to see how fast an epidemic and panic will spread in the modern world....lol. I just chalk it up to incompetence. We have to remember that most bureaucrats are paper-pushers, rule enforcers - not very effective when there is a real emergency that requires real work or "thinking on your feet".

 

That being said, it is becoming more clear that ebola is not as deadly as we have been conditioned to expect through decades of official and media inspired reports. The survival rate in the U.S. is "officially" 80%, however, poor Mr. Duncan was refused treatment until he was nearly dead. The survival rate in the U.S. should be 100%.

[mikeinnaples]

 

 

Another US health worker has been diagnosed. Wow

 

Not only that.......

 

The second Dallas health care worker with Ebola was on a flight from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday -- the day before she reported symptoms, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday. Because of the proximity in time between the Monday evening flight and the first report of her illness, the CDC wants to interview all 132 passengers on her flight -- Frontier Airlines Flight 1143 from Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth, which landed at 8:16 p.m. CT Monday, the CDC said.

 

 

 

Obama's inept CDC was supposed to have that person "under watch". How the hell could they allow her on a plane? This is getting ridiculous. For all the conspiracy aficionados out there - seems like an "elite" plan to see how fast an epidemic and panic will spread in the modern world....lol. I just chalk it up to incompetence. We have to remember that most bureaucrats are paper-pushers, rule enforcers - not very effective when there is a real emergency that requires real work or "thinking on your feet".

 

That being said, it is becoming more clear that ebola is not as deadly as we have been conditioned to expect through decades of official and media inspired reports. The survival rate in the U.S. is "officially" 80%, however, poor Mr. Duncan was refused treatment until he was nearly dead. The survival rate in the U.S. should be 100%.

 

 

....and now the bombshell drops

 

 

 

Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told reporters that the nurse had a temperature of 99.5 degrees before she got on the plane on Monday.

 

 

So she was already sick, thus contagious, before getting on the airplane. Two major airports and and airliner full of people potentially exposed.

 

[Nemo888]

With interventions it is high survival. Because it infects the endothelial cells of your circulatory system it can cause hypoperfusion, rupture your blood vessels and then you bleed out internally. IV's and blood transfusions will be necessary for your survival. It also attacks your immune system complicating treatment. You need to be kept alive long enough to mount a proper immune response.

If you have an entire team looking after you with unlimited resources your chances of survival are good. But one mistake and you are dead like Duncan.(already seen a query Ebola abandoned for five hours because staff were afraid) There are only 13 beds with all the safety precautions in the USA. As you see in Texas standard precautions means infected health care workers and continued spread of the disease.The USA is not the only country in the world. Budget cuts are a fact in this economy. Overspending on defense and underspending on health care and medical emergency preparedness are universal.

Edited by Nemo888, 15 October 2014 - 07:19 PM.

[Kalliste]

This insane open borders approach needs to stop. Stop the flights. And what is up with that second nurse, why board a plane when you are sick and just met somebody with Ebola?

[Nemo888]

Old article from 2012. Vaccine was ready for trials but got killed by budget cuts.http://m.theglobeand...?service=mobile

Our right wing Conservatives hate science too.

[Kalliste]

Society loathes science related to aging. A single Fight Aging blog post is enough to understand that.

[Ark]

VIRUSes CAN convert their DNA from solid to fluid form, which explains how viruses manage to eject DNA into the cells of their victims. This has been shown in two new studies carried out by Lund University in Sweden.
Both research studies are about the same discovery made for two different viruses, namely that viruses can convert their DNA to liquid form at the moment of infection. Thanks to this conversion, the virus can more easily transfer its DNA into the cells of its victim, which thus become infected. One of the studies investigated the herpes virus, which infects humans.
"Our results explain the mechanism behind herpes infection by showing how the DNA of the virus enters the cell," said Alex Evilevitch, a researcher in biochemistry and biophysics at Lund University and Carnegie Mellon University.
Evilevitch stated that the discovery was surprising. No one was previously aware of the 'phase transition' from solid to fluid form in virus DNA. The phase transition for the studied herpes virus is temperature-dependent and takes place at 37°C, which is a direct adaptation to human body temperature. Evilevitch hopes that the research findings will lead to a new type of medicine that targets the phase transition for virus DNA, which could then reduce the infection capability and limit the spread of the virus.
"A drug of this type affects the physical properties of the virus's DNA, which means that the drug can resist the virus's mutations," said Alex Evilevitch.
The second study that Evilevitch and his colleagues have published recently is about bacteriophages, i.e. viruses that infect bacteria, in this case E coli bacteria in the human gastrointestinal tract. The results show that this virus also has the ability to convert its DNA from solid to fluid form. As with the herpes virus, the phase transition takes place at 37°C, i.e. adapted to human body temperature.
These two virus types, bacteriophages and the herpes virus, separated at an early stage in evolution, several billion years ago. The fact that they both demonstrate the same ability to convert their DNA in order to facilitate infection indicates that this could be a general mechanism found in many types of virus.
In previous studies, Alex Evilevitch and his colleagues have succeeded in measuring the DNA pressure inside the virus that provides the driving force for infection. The pressure is five times higher than in an unopened champagne bottle. This high pressure is generated by very tightly packed DNA inside the virus. The pressure serves as a trigger that enables the virus to eject its DNA into a cell in the host organism. It was this discovery that led to the two present studies, which were recently published in Nature Chemical Biology and PNAS.

Edited by Ark, 16 October 2014 - 04:29 AM.

[Ark]

What if Ebola has this ability,does that change the game for you?

[Ark]

Double post

Edited by Ark, 16 October 2014 - 04:40 AM.

[Kalliste]

I think we are going to learn a lot of new things about Ebola. This is the first time we have the ability to study it in high quality labs. Seems like it has more than a couple of tricks up it's sleeve.

[Kalliste]

Meanwhile at the airport...

[Mind]

What if Ebola has this ability,does that change the game for you?

 

Apparently, the speculation about how ebola is now airborne, super-contagious, and going to wreak word-wide havoc, is a little premature. ABC news reports that the two nurses treated Mr. Duncan for two days before donning hazmat suits: http://abcnews.go.co...atient-26230822

 

Current transmission mystery solved.

[Ark]

http://www.telegraph...a-hospital.html

[Nemo888]

In 2012 there was a vaccine ready for trials in Maryland with a bulk commercial producer already contracted up here in Canada. Budget cuts came and it sat in the freezer for years. http://m.theglobeand...?service=mobile


Health workers are really getting screwed. CDC or NML(Canada) scientists get into Chemturion suits before they even get near a test tube of Ebola. Nurses get an N95 and a crappy little hood. If nurses could be vaccinated N95 would be acceptable, but otherwise it is very unsafe.

This is also quite acceptable. An isolation bed. See how you just poke your arms into the ready made containment suits built in.

Edited by Nemo888, 17 October 2014 - 01:00 AM.

[Ark]

http://www.inquisitr...earchers-claim/

[Ark]

Another small item someone could take while infected.http://pda.scienceal...1610-26344.html

[Nemo888]

Another small item someone could take while infected.http://pda.scienceal...1610-26344.html

 

It's easy to get Gan Mao Ling (感冒灵), it may be better than nothing. I've used it on occasion for years for flu. But it won't do a thing for Ebola, it's a slingshot versus a tank.

[Nemo888]

I was looking at the infection map. As security breaks down people try to flee infected areas in a self reinforcing cycle. I know soldiers who are more scared of Ebola than bullets. I was thinking the borders would not become porous until things got much worse. Perhaps we are not being told the whole story about how bad it is in Liberia and Guinea. The armed forces in Ivory Coast should be shooting to kill at the closed border but infection is leaking in everywhere.

Edited by Nemo888, 17 October 2014 - 02:39 PM.

[Danail Bulgaria]

I don't know what's wrong with the worlds governments. It seems that they don'tmind the disease to spread. Europe is attacked also, by having 8 ebola patients. Even though, the borders to Africa remain open. I really can't understand that. The ebola is already in Europe and will soon start to slowly surround my country - Bulgaria. I should start to prepare. I have to look from somewhere for a protective suit.

[Ark]

It's called stacking the deck in hopes it will tilt the scales in your favor, that being said how can you say 100% that you can't help your immune system reduce the viral load?

Edited by Ark, 17 October 2014 - 03:44 PM.

[Ark]

doctors in Africa report those with high functionality in their immune system, have the highest level of survival, so fortifying your immune system is potentially the best option.

Another small item someone could take while infected.http://pda.scienceal...1610-26344.html

It's easy to get Gan Mao Ling (感冒灵), it may be better than nothing. I've used it on occasion for years for flu. But it won't do a thing for Ebola, it's a slingshot versus a tank.

Edited by Ark, 17 October 2014 - 03:47 PM.

[Danail Bulgaria]

Helping your immune system does not give you sure survival perspectives. It is only additional. Even strong immunities got infected from different usual para-flu viruses (colds) each year.

[Ark]

Helping your immune system does not give you sure survival perspectives. It is only additional. Even strong immunities got infected from different usual para-flu viruses (colds) each year.

agreed, but that wasn't my point.

[Danail Bulgaria]

What was your point? The best way to prepare your immune system is with an effective and harmless vaccine. If you mean the vaccine, then you are right. But so far I don't know someone to have made a vaccine against ebola. As far as I know the russians are making 3 right now

 

http://www.trud.bg/A...ticleId=4362711

 

It seems, that they claim, that one of the vaccines is already in clinical trails. 

 

There are also 3 vaccine making attempts in the USA

 

http://www.nbcnews.c...ion-u-s-n227626