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[evolvedhuman2012]

i'm seeking answer as to why different brand coffee have a different mood/cognitive effect.  encompassing the topic to both instant and brew.

 

anyone have similar experience, i welcome your feedback.

 

to people that claim all brands have the same effect, i feel you won't have much to offer this thread.

 

years back i used to drink folgers instant and really had a consistent powerful cognitive effect so i never had reason to deviate cuz it had reliability.

 

i had to quit folgers instant later cuz somehow the brand became bad with the coffee started to taste of bad chemical(pesticide like), dunno what wrong.

 

i have one or two different brew brands from whole food(forgot the name at the moment) and they both left this unpleasant feel(more like unstable mental unpleasantness)  ,dunno what wrong with them, and other brew brands also had similar problem.

 

then somehow i stumbled across this brew brand called cafe de monde, and it was better than all the other brew brands i perviosuly tried.  it actually produces enough stable mentality(enough headache and euphoria), still pale compared to folgers instant when it was good.

 

 

so i suspect that the different brew brands have different formulas(different blends)  but i have yet to identify what that is.  i picked up a link lead on this site that suggested different roast level have difference in chemical makeup(light roast and dark roast)  and i tested thaat idea but the result were really favorable.  i mixed 50% light roast and dark roast and the result was lesser than cafe du monde's. 

 

so it comes back to the big question, how are they different?  how are the blend formulas different?

 

 

it would be good to know the exact formula so one won't have to rely on brands and make your own blend .  one problem with reliance is if they brand goes bad you are screwed.

 

 

 

 

 

anyone been down the same road and have found some good answers ?

 

might have to consider quitting with gradual withdrawal if all ways fail.....

[Area-1255]

Get an organic coffee blend or the beans themselves, usually Instantized is an excuse to add other shit to it ya know. 

As far as explaining differences in effects, all I can say is it varies from batch to batch, or maybe they are getting their bean from a different source now? Although I've tried Folger's recently and it's no different to me than it was a few years ago. Maybe you have a tolerance to the Caffeine?

Keep in mind that chronic coffee ingestion and / or caffeine supplementation leads to GABA(A) upregulation over time, which means your nervous system actually become MORE inhibited as you consume caffeine chronically - this in part helps to explain tolerance and weakening of effects with time.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3437321/

http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/8242688

 

Edited by Area-1255, 26 August 2014 - 12:57 AM.

[evolvedhuman2012]

Get an organic coffee blend or the beans themselves, usually Instantized is an excuse to add other shit to it ya know. 

As far as explaining differences in effects, all I can say is it varies from batch to batch, or maybe they are getting their bean from a different source now? Although I've tried Folger's recently and it's no different to me than it was a few years ago. Maybe you have a tolerance to the Caffeine?

Keep in mind that chronic coffee ingestion and / or caffeine supplementation leads to GABA(A) upregulation over time, which means your nervous system actually become MORE inhibited as you consume caffeine chronically - this in part helps to explain tolerance and weakening of effects with time.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3437321/

http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/8242688

 

 

 

 

appreciate what you saying.  but i consulted different sources on folgers instant's problem.  and on amazon, there were enough testimonies to reinforce my experience.  also, at least one official coffee reviewer site reinforce as well.  so i don't think it was isolated incident of me.

 

 

i don't think folgers instant had anything like bad stuff in it when it was good?  though i'm open-minded, i still like plausable evidence to be persuaded.

 

its not like i'm gonna beleive say there cat meat in my coffee brand without any plausable evidence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.coffeedet...house-sick.html

 

 

http://www.coffeedet...e-gone-bad.html

- if you word search "chemical " in this one, i saw some complain on folgers with chemical taste, similar to my description.  mere coincidence or not....

 

 

 

Edited by evolvedhuman2012, 26 August 2014 - 01:49 AM.

[evolvedhuman2012]

http://www.huffingto..._n_1405887.html

[Proudmoore]

Get an organic coffee blend or the beans themselves, usually Instantized is an excuse to add other shit to it ya know. 

As far as explaining differences in effects, all I can say is it varies from batch to batch, or maybe they are getting their bean from a different source now? Although I've tried Folger's recently and it's no different to me than it was a few years ago. Maybe you have a tolerance to the Caffeine?

Keep in mind that chronic coffee ingestion and / or caffeine supplementation leads to GABA(A) upregulation over time, which means your nervous system actually become MORE inhibited as you consume caffeine chronically - this in part helps to explain tolerance and weakening of effects with time.

 

 This is correct. Get beans and ground them on your own as then you can be 100% sure you know what you drink and that there are absolutely no additions. I am not saying that instant coffee is evil to the bone. No, no! I have my favorite brands too but I just don't believe they are so pure and additions free as producers would like us to believe. That's why I am in such an agreement with Area-1255.

[kelka]

http://www.coffeeres...cience/news.htm

This site goes into as much science of coffee as I can find. It wouldn't surprise me if chemicals varied amongst different beans etc e.g. quinic acid (although I've no idea!).

[jroseland]

For those who are curious I did a podcast about the drug that makes coffee INTENSE, Memantine

 

 

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