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#1 Danail Bulgaria

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 04:05 PM



I suppose, that the majority of the people in this forum will agree, that the human biological immortality is not this impossible, and maybe will be achieved some day in the future. This is why I will not waste time to show statistical proofs, that the life expectancy of the human increases with the time, and will not speculate if people may become immortal if the cardio-vascular diseases and the cancer become curable.

Amazing as it is, many scientists are saying, that the time travel is possible. Here are some of them:


Michio Kaku on Time Travel
".... However if somebody knocks on your door some day, and claims to be your grate grate grate grate grate granddaughter don't slam the door, 'cos it's possible that centuries from now our descendents will be able to manipulate the power of a black hole, a star, go back within time and meet their illustrious ancestor, that they've already red in the history books. .... "


Stephen Hawking - Train Ride to the Future
Stephen Hawking explains, that time travel forward in time is possible, even represents a way to do it - with a high speed, close to that of the speed of light.


Time Travel: Einstein's big idea (Theory of Relativity)
Time travel is possible according to Albert Einstein

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6dJ0cZ2h2g
The Universe Unexplained Mysteries Clip 2 - Time Travel Ronald Mallett
Proffessor Ronald Mallett tries to send particles back in time.


It seems, that the main theory of traveling in time can be divided into several sub - theories. Each of them has its chance to be true or not. Time traveling may be possible only by traveling into the future, or to the past. Furthermore the thing, that travels may be only a particle or a beam of light, or even an electromagnetic field. Each of them has its chances to be correct or not.


Recently I developed the idea about how to achieve immortality if the time travel, and the human immortality become true one day.


The science as general is being developed on the base of facts and avoids being build over theories. When something is a scientific theory, it has only a chance to be true. Building further theories on the bases of other theories increases more and more the chance for each next theory to be wrong, and this actually can be calculated mathematically. Real scientists as a rule, avoid building further theories over an existing theory. This is why when building theories about how we will be able to be immortal through time travel, at this moment (2014th year), it is impossible to talk about that with a certainty. The chance of being immortal through time travel depends on two main theories - first the time travel will be achieved some day, and second - people will be immortal one day. Thus the way for us to be immortal through time travel can be achieved only if these two main theories will be achieved in the future.

However, I think, that I developed the way for us to become immortal if some day these two things both happen.

I will not waste your time with details about my recent works, but in brief, I will represent the ideas about how I see the possibilities of immortality through time travel.



If time travel to the future is possible, we may go to the future, when the human immortality is already
developed and use the technologies, to become immortal.


If time traveling to the past becomes possible, then a time traveler from the future may give us the
technology for the immortality, so we to become immortal.


If small particles or energy becomes possible to travel in time, then it can be used as an information
transfer, in order to be transferred the information about how we to become immortal.


If time travel in the both ways becomes possible, then people from the future may come to our time, and when someone of us dies, the time traveler may replace the corpse with an equal biomass and send out body into the future. The last thing is required in order to be avoided the time paradoxes and the butterfly effect. To become possible, this way needs the information about who wants to be immortal to be saved until the time, when people will discover the time travel and the immortality.

The time travel to the past options, no matter for humans or information, as also the both ways time travel option require also to be saved the information about who wants to become immortal, plus eventually the dates, times and places of their death.

Here another option was suggested - taking only our soul from future time travelers.
http://www.longecity...life-extension/
Though at the bases of my knowledge and interpretation of the world at this moment (2014th year) I deny the existence of transferable soul and represent the consciousness as the work of the neural network of our brain, the believers in this idea also require the possibility of our future generation to know whose soul to get, where and when.

This is why I decided to generate a database of people, who want to be taken from future time travelers, and immortalized after their death.

 

I made actually a free time traveling forum, where if you like you may post about this idea, or may register and send me message to be included in my database.

The forum is located at:
http://timetravel.free-forum.net/

You may also send me a personal message, if you want to be included.

I wonder what is your opinion on that? Please comment.

 


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Posted 03 October 2014 - 04:41 PM

Strange. Noone comments that topic. What do you think about it? Post your thoughts on it, nomatter what they are.



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Posted 03 October 2014 - 05:11 PM

Time travel to the future is certainly possible. In fact we all do it all the time, all at the same speed. And according to Einstein, you can travel to the future faster by getting on a spaceship and flying around at a speed close to the speed of light, thus slowing your clock relative to Earth clocks.  When you come back to Earth, everyone you know will be older than you--or dead--as you will have come back to the future. We can't do this now for practical reasons, but in principle it is possible. 


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#4 Danail Bulgaria

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Posted 03 October 2014 - 05:25 PM

Yup, unfortunately, it is not possible to travel with such a speed. The cryonics may appear to be a time travel method :)



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Posted 04 October 2014 - 09:56 AM

Yup, unfortunately, it is not possible to travel with such a speed. The cryonics may appear to be a time travel method :)

That's true, contextual aspect, of course - how one perceives travel is how one would define travel.

 

   It's a difficult concept to fathom, really;, to achieve light speed is as of now, long impossible - because, H/R = MC3 (My Constant);, is unachievable, that is a basic representation of a speed far greater than light speed,; as one would need exponentiate every nanosecond for one hundred plus years to reach that precipice, whereas the speed of light is concurrent, fluorescent, and ever-present;, whereas space is still expanding, as proven by "Hubble's Constant."; and displayed through "Einstein's Special Relativity".

 

At least, that's my subjective thinking on the subject matter.

 

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Jacob A. Eder;. 



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Posted 04 October 2014 - 10:01 AM

Time travel to the future is certainly possible. In fact we all do it all the time, all at the same speed. And according to Einstein, you can travel to the future faster by getting on a spaceship and flying around at a speed close to the speed of light, thus slowing your clock relative to Earth clocks.  When you come back to Earth, everyone you know will be older than you--or dead--as you will have come back to the future. We can't do this now for practical reasons, but in principle it is possible. 

Ah, an old school thinker, I see! :D  

 

As to pertained ideological concept(s) and sadly, misshaped/fallacious theorization, called "Relativity, Dick & Jane, S-Relativity."

 

   It's a wonderful idea to entertain, but in my mind - the idea is not feasible, not because it's a bad idea, but because of the impractical nature of the contented display;, the inconvenience of the notion, and misrepresentation of singularity(s) and dimensional atmospheric conditioning/abstract thinking.

 

Signed, 

 

Jacob A. Eder;.


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Posted 04 October 2014 - 10:18 AM

How many ways (or maybe it is better to be called tehoretical concepts) to time travel do you know?

 

I know about theese:

 

1. Traveing with high speed.

 

2. Using the gravity of a black hole.

 

3. Cryonics.

 



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Posted 04 October 2014 - 10:23 AM

Einstein's Relativity(s), 1-2; (noted, including wormhole travel);. - Hubble's cosmic expansion, 3; - Einstein's Quantum Entanglement', 4; - Hawking's Atomization, 5; - that's it, at least all I can think of right now.



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Posted 04 October 2014 - 05:38 PM

I was always under the impression that time dilation was a more significant phenomenon than it is.  I was also under the impression that the relationship of velocity and dilation was more symmetric than it is.  In fact the relationship between velocity and dilation is pretty asymptotic and most of it occurs in the last percent of C.

 

I found a very neat tool at Wolfram math that allows calculating the time dilation effects for various velocities.

 

https://www.wolframa...i=time dilation

 

For example a 25 year trip at .99C only results in about 75 year relativist perception; hence a 50 year gain.  Important, but not enough of a trip into the future to make too much of a difference.

 

Have fun and look around the web. There are a few of these calculators out there and I am curious about which ones are the most user friendly.



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 06:32 AM

The Problem is: Who would want to "resurect" people from the past?

If we would be able to build a Time machine and give infinite lifeextension to some one from the past, who would it be, and why should we give it to some one who asks for it?

Who knows, the people of the future might see us as a horde of brutal savages.

 

Gengish Kahn was interested in immortality, he wanted to rule the world (but died with 60), Chin Shi Huang Di too, and now imagine those two living long enough and doing their thing.

We would probably all be family members of the great Kahn today, riding our horses to the office while texting pillage-orders in mongolian.

 

 

 



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 07:28 AM

Those, who eventually would like to resurect us will have to be our future ofsprings. Literary our children or our grand-children, or further generations. In order this to happen, the information about us, our wish to be resurected and the willingness the future generations to resurect us, has to pass through the generations. Passing all this information through the generations is possible in 100%. It depends entirely from us if we will manage to keep the information long enough. I didn't told you that, because, I thought, that it is obvious, and also, I suggested, that the people, who have been interested in cryonics long enough, have already answered this question.

 

As I wrote above:

 

"...I decided to generate a database of people, who want to be ... immortalized after their death.

 

I made actually a free time traveling forum, where if you like you may post about this idea, or may register and send me message to be included in my database.

The forum is located at:
http://timetravel.free-forum.net/

You may also send me a personal message, if you want to be included.

"

 

I think, that those, who want to be immortal will be ready to sacrifice their older and outdated views and desires in order to live forever young. I personally am not interested in what political situation I will have to live if they ensure my living forever.

 



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 01:51 PM

Yes I did understand that but

and the willingness the future generations to resurect us, has to pass through the generations.

 

i dont think that will work that well.

Yes, you can preserve a list of names and information, but you cant make people do something they think is "wrong", like:

"Grandpa is on that list, but dont bring him back he was a primitive caveman, i dont want him around!"

 



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 02:04 PM

Well, it will really depend on your ofspring's oppinion for you :)  I have good feelings for my grand parents. But this is also up to you for your children and grand children to like you. I love my parents and my grand-parents.



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 02:07 PM

....

I found a very neat tool at Wolfram math that allows calculating the time dilation effects for various velocities.

 

https://www.wolframa...i=time dilation

....

.... There are a few of these calculators out there and I am curious about which ones are the most user friendly.

 

I wonder which of them is the most scientific.
 


Edited by seivtcho, 05 October 2014 - 02:12 PM.


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Posted 05 October 2014 - 03:04 PM

Wolfram's the most reliable mathematically I suspect, which is why I chose it. However, all the ones I glanced at adhere closely to the physics I suspect as they are peer reviewed for errors.  Nevertheless some are easier to use than others. 

 

The point is that energy needs aside time travel into the future is not as viable an option in relativistic terms as is commonly believed.



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 03:19 PM

Interesting. Why energy is not this needed? What is needed then?



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 03:32 PM

Wolfram's the most reliable mathematically I suspect, which is why I chose it. However, all the ones I glanced at adhere closely to the physics I suspect as they are peer reviewed for errors.  Nevertheless some are easier to use than others. 

 

The point is that energy needs aside time travel into the future is not as viable an option in relativistic terms as is commonly believed.

 

 

The real value of time dilation is in making travel to other stars possible in reasonable ship time frames, while making a galactic empire very difficult if not impossible. 



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 05:01 PM

Interesting. Why energy is not this needed? What is needed then?

 

That was lost in translation.  

 

It's an idiomatic expression.  It basically means I am side-stepping the nearly insurmountable problem of energy and how the need for it goes up asymptotically as you approach C. It does not mean energy is not needed.

 

I am simply addressing your premise of the importance of time dilation.  If there is another way to achieve time dilation through less energy it will likely be found in the physics of wormholes.  

 

However, if travelling to the past initiates the problem of the multiverse then I suspect so will travel through wormholes to the future, since where (and when) ever you go you will be in the present and forever only in your own present. Travel to the future likely changes the future in similar ways to the travel to the past except that perhaps it also gets around the "grandfather paradox" if the claim is that it already happened to go to the future because it was a part of the past.

 

On the other hand, this introduces strict determinism to the problem and that too is an unpleasant issue.

 

All of this presumes many aspects of time that have not been demonstrated.  There are even a number of arguments that suggest time does not exist and is nothing more than a construct of consciousness. IN fact somewhere around here we have a number of good threads that go into the qualia of time.



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 06:11 PM

http://www.wired.com.../08/multiverse/ (All Accreditation belongs to Physicists, I'm not responsible for this article, I'm just posting the story/subject matter);.

Though galaxies look larger than atoms and elephants appear to outweigh ants, some physicists have begun to suspect that size differences are illusory. Perhaps the fundamental description of the universe does not include the concepts of “mass” and “length,” implying that at its core, nature lacks a sense of scale.

This little-explored idea, known as scale symmetry, constitutes a radical departure from long-standing assumptions about how elementary particles acquire their properties. But it has recently emerged as a common theme of numerous talks and papers by respected particle physicists. With their field stuck at a nasty impasse, the researchers have returned to the master equations that describe the known particles and their interactions, and are asking: What happens when you erase the terms in the equations having to do with mass and length?

Nature, at the deepest level, may not differentiate between scales. With scale symmetry, physicists start with a basic equation that sets forth a massless collection of particles, each a unique confluence of characteristics such as whether it is matter or antimatter and has positive or negative electric charge. As these particles attract and repel one another and the effects of their interactions cascade like dominoes through the calculations, scale symmetry “breaks,” and masses and lengths spontaneously arise.

Similar dynamical effects generate 99 percent of the mass in the visible universe. Protons and neutrons are amalgams — each one a trio of lightweight elementary particles called quarks. The energy used to hold these quarks together gives them a combined mass that is around 100 times more than the sum of the parts. “Most of the mass that we see is generated in this way, so we are interested in seeing if it’s possible to generate all mass in this way,” said Alberto Salvio, a particle physicist at the Autonomous University of Madrid and the co-author of a recent paper on a scale-symmetric theory of nature.

In the equations of the “Standard Model” of particle physics, only a particle discovered in 2012, called the Higgs boson, comes equipped with mass from the get-go. According to a theory developed 50 years ago by the British physicist Peter Higgs and associates, it doles out mass to other elementary particles through its interactions with them. Electrons, W and Z bosons, individual quarks and so on: All their masses are believed to derive from the Higgs boson — and, in a feedback effect, they simultaneously dial the Higgs mass up or down, too.

THE MULTIVERSE ENNUI CAN’T LAST FOREVER.

The new scale symmetry approach rewrites the beginning of that story.
“The idea is that maybe even the Higgs mass is not really there,” said Alessandro Strumia, a particle physicist at the University of Pisa in Italy. “It can be understood with some dynamics.”

The concept seems far-fetched, but it is garnering interest at a time of widespread soul-searching in the field. When the Large Hadron Collider at CERN Laboratory in Geneva closed down for upgrades in early 2013, its collisions had failed to yield any of dozens of particles that many theorists had included in their equations for more than 30 years. The grand flop suggests that researchers may have taken a wrong turn decades ago in their understanding of how to calculate the masses of particles.

“We’re not in a position where we can afford to be particularly arrogant about our understanding of what the laws of nature must look like,” said Michael Dine, a professor of physics at the University of California, Santa Cruz, who has been following the new work on scale symmetry. “Things that I might have been skeptical about before, I’m willing to entertain.”

The Giant Higgs Problem

The scale symmetry approach traces back to 1995, when William Bardeen, a theoretical physicist at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Batavia, Ill., showed that the mass of the Higgs boson and the other Standard Model particles could be calculated as consequences of spontaneous scale-symmetry breaking. But at the time, Bardeen’s approach failed to catch on. The delicate balance of his calculations seemed easy to spoil when researchers attempted to incorporate new, undiscovered particles, like those that have been posited to explain the mysteries of dark matter and gravity.

Instead, researchers gravitated toward another approach called “supersymmetry” that naturally predicted dozens of new particles. One or more of these particles could account for dark matter. And supersymmetry also provided a straightforward solution to a bookkeeping problem that has bedeviled researchers since the early days of the Standard Model.

In the standard approach to doing calculations, the Higgs boson’s interactions with other particles tend to elevate its mass toward the highest scales present in the equations, dragging the other particle masses up with it. “Quantum mechanics tries to make everybody democratic,” explained theoretical physicist Joe Lykken, deputy director of Fermilab and a collaborator of Bardeen’s. “Particles will even each other out through quantum mechanical effects.”

This democratic tendency wouldn’t matter if the Standard Model particles were the end of the story. But physicists surmise that far beyond the Standard Model, at a scale about a billion billion times heavier known as the “Planck mass,” there exist unknown giants associated with gravity. These heavyweights would be expected to fatten up the Higgs boson — a process that would pull the mass of every other elementary particle up to the Planck scale. This hasn’t happened; instead, an unnatural hierarchy seems to separate the lightweight Standard Model particles and the Planck mass.

 

With his scale symmetry approach, Bardeen calculated the Standard Model masses in a novel way that did not involve them smearing toward the highest scales. From his perspective, the lightweight Higgs seemed perfectly natural. Still, it wasn’t clear how he could incorporate Planck-scale gravitational effects into his calculations.

Meanwhile, supersymmetry used standard mathematical techniques, and dealt with the hierarchy between the Standard Model and the Planck scale directly. Supersymmetry posits the existence of a missing twin particle for every particle found in nature. If for each particle the Higgs boson encounters (such as an electron) it also meets that particle’s slightly heavier twin (the hypothetical “selectron”), the combined effects would nearly cancel out, preventing the Higgs mass from ballooning toward the highest scales. Like the physical equivalent of x + (–x) ≈ 0, supersymmetry would protect the small but non-zero mass of the Higgs boson. The theory seemed like the perfect missing ingredient to explain the masses of the Standard Model — so perfect that without it, some theorists say the universe simply doesn’t make sense.

Yet decades after their prediction, none of the supersymmetric particles have been found. “That’s what the Large Hadron Collider has been looking for, but it hasn’t seen anything,” said Savas Dimopoulos, a professor of particle physics at Stanford University who helped develop the supersymmetry hypothesis in the early 1980s. “Somehow, the Higgs is not protected.”

The LHC will continue probing for convoluted versions of supersymmetry when it switches back on next year, but many physicists have grown increasingly convinced that the theory has failed. Just last month at the International Conference of High-Energy Physics in Valencia, Spain, researchers analyzing the largest data set yet from the LHC found no evidence of supersymmetric particles. (The data also strongly disfavors an alternative proposal called “technicolor.”)

THE THEORY HAS WHAT MOST EXPERTS CONSIDER A SERIOUS FLAW: IT REQUIRES THE EXISTENCE OF STRANGE PARTICLE-LIKE ENTITIES CALLED “GHOSTS.”

The implications are enormous. Without supersymmetry, the Higgs boson mass seems as if it is reduced not by mirror-image effects but by random and improbable cancellations between unrelated numbers — essentially, the initial mass of the Higgs seems to exactly counterbalance the huge contributions to its mass from gluons, quarks, gravitational states and all the rest. And if the universe is improbable, then many physicists argue that it must be one universe of many: just a rare bubble in an endless, foaming “multiverse.” We observe this particular bubble, the reasoning goes, not because its properties make sense, but because its peculiar Higgs boson is conducive to the formation of atoms and, thus, the rise of life. More typical bubbles, with their Planck-size Higgs bosons, are uninhabitable.

“It’s not a very satisfying explanation, but there’s not a lot out there,” Dine said.

As the logical conclusion of prevailing assumptions, the multiverse hypothesis has surged in begrudging popularity in recent years. But the argument feels like a cop-out to many, or at least a huge letdown. A universe shaped by chance cancellations eludes understanding, and the existence of unreachable, alien universes may be impossible to prove. “And it’s pretty unsatisfactory to use the multiverse hypothesis to explain only things we don’t understand,” said Graham Ross, an emeritus professor of theoretical physics at the University of Oxford.

The multiverse ennui can’t last forever.

“People are forced to adjust,” said Manfred Lindner, a professor of physics and director of the Max Planck Institute for Nuclear Physics in Heidelberg who has co-authored several new papers on the scale symmetry approach. The basic equations of particle physics need something extra to rein in the Higgs boson, and supersymmetry may not be it. Theorists like Lindner have started asking, “Is there another symmetry that could do the job, without creating this huge amount of particles we didn’t see?

Wrestling Ghosts

Picking up where Bardeen left off, researchers like Salvio, Strumia and Lindner now think scale symmetry may be the best hope for explaining the small mass of the Higgs boson. “For me, doing real computations is more interesting than doing philosophy of multiverse,” said Strumia, “even if it is possible that this multiverse could be right.”

For a scale-symmetric theory to work, it must account for both the small masses of the Standard Model and the gargantuan masses associated with gravity. In the ordinary approach to doing the calculations, both scales are put in by hand at the beginning, and when they connect in the equations, they try to even each other out. But in the new approach, both scales must arise dynamically — and separately — starting from nothing.

“The statement that gravity might not affect the Higgs mass is very revolutionary,” Dimopoulos said.

A theory called “agravity” (for “adimensional gravity”) developed by Salvio and Strumia may be the most concrete realization of the scale symmetry idea thus far. Agravity weaves the laws of physics at all scales into a single, cohesive picture in which the Higgs mass and the Planck mass both arise through separate dynamical effects. As detailed in June in the Journal of High-Energy Physics, agravity also offers an explanation for why the universe inflated into existence in the first place. According to the theory, scale-symmetry breaking would have caused an exponential expansion in the size of space-time during the Big Bang.

However, the theory has what most experts consider a serious flaw: It requires the existence of strange particle-like entities called “ghosts.” Ghosts either have negative energies or negative probabilities of existing — both of which wreak havoc on the equations of the quantum world.

“Negative probabilities rule out the probabilistic interpretation of quantum mechanics, so that’s a dreadful option,” said Kelly Stelle, a theoretical particle physicist at Imperial College, London, who first showed in 1977 that certain gravity theories give rise to ghosts. Such theories can only work, Stelle said, if the ghosts somehow decouple from the other particles and keep to themselves. “Many attempts have been made along these lines; it’s not a dead subject, just rather technical and without much joy,” he said.

Strumia and Salvio think that, given all the advantages of agravity, ghosts deserve a second chance. “When antimatter particles were first considered in equations, they seemed like negative energy,” Strumia said. “They seemed nonsense. Maybe these ghosts seem nonsense but one can find some sensible interpretation.”

Meanwhile, other groups are crafting their own scale-symmetric theories. Lindner and colleagues have proposed a model with a new “hidden sector” of particles, while Bardeen, Lykken, Marcela Carena and Martin Bauer of Fermilab and Wolfgang Altmannshofer of the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Canada, argue in an Aug. 14 paper that the scales of the Standard Model and gravity are separated as if by a phase transition. The researchers have identified a mass scale where the Higgs boson stops interacting with other particles, causing their masses to drop to zero. It is at this scale-free point that a phase change-like crossover occurs. And just as water behaves differently than ice, different sets of self-contained laws operate above and below this critical point.

To get around the lack of scales, the new models require a calculation technique that some experts consider mathematically dubious, and in general, few will say what they really think of the whole approach. It is too different, too new. But agravity and the other scale symmetric models each predict the existence of new particles beyond the Standard Model, and so future collisions at the upgraded LHC will help test the ideas.

In the meantime, there’s a sense of rekindling hope.

“Maybe our mathematics is wrong,” Dine said. “If the alternative is the multiverse landscape, that is a pretty drastic step, so, sure — let’s see what else might be.”

Original story reprinted with permission from Quanta Magazine, an editorially independent division of SimonsFoundation.org whose mission is to enhance public understanding of science by covering research developments and trends in mathematics and the physical and life sciences.

 

Infinitely more interesting;, (http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Multiverse) "The multiverse hypothesis is a source of debate within the physics community. Physicists disagree about whether the multiverse exists, and whether the multiverse is a proper subject of scientific inquiry.[2] Supporters of one of the multiverse hypotheses includeStephen Hawking,[3] Steven Weinberg,[4] Brian Greene,[5][6] Max Tegmark,[7] Alan Guth,[8] Andrei Linde,[9] Michio Kaku,[10] David Deutsch,[11] Leonard Susskind,[12] Raj Pathria,[13] Sean CarrollAlex Vilenkin,[14] and Neil deGrasse Tyson.[15] In contrast, critics such as Jim Baggott,[16] David Gross,[17] Paul Steinhardt,[18] George Ellis[19][20] and Paul Davies have argued that the multiverse question is philosophical rather than scientific, that the multiverse cannot be a scientific question because it lacks falsifiability, or even that the multiverse hypothesis is harmful or pseudoscientific." (http://en.wikipedia....iki/Multiverse)


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Posted 06 October 2014 - 07:27 AM

There are people, who deny the existence of the black holes. Now if the multiverse also does not exist, then maybe the time travel to the past does not exist. The methods for traveling to the past needed black holes and multiverse, right?


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Posted 06 October 2014 - 08:13 PM

There is considerable observational evidence for black holes, however not one shred of evidence exists (yet) for the multiverse.  

 

String theory and M-Theory are pure mathematical constructs and have never been tested or observed in the real world.  Black holes have passed the empirical test.  There are different types of black holes and some of those are just theoretical at the moment but a number of them can be clearly observed, identified, and measured by examining the area of space surrounding them.  Don't confuse these ideas.


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#22 Darkly Origins

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 01:39 AM

Personally, I'm not a believer in the multiverse, and ironically, as it is coincidental; I also do not believe we can travel in time towards - the future;, conversely I must confess I do believe travel through the past is possible - yet one would be begged to think otherwise or differ, as that would be to imply changing the course(s) of history, and consequently time itself;, concurrently: yet, it seems more plausible in philosophical idea, and scientific theory than forwarded-time-travel, merely, and simply because the future is uncertain;, all that can be foreseen is of mathematical probability;, as the future is uncertain, we cannot change that which has not occurred yet.

 

My thoughts;

 

Unapologetically, Sincerely, Jacob A. Eder;.



#23 Danail Bulgaria

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Posted 09 October 2014 - 08:39 AM

... I must confess I do believe travel through the past is possible .. it seems more plausible in philosophical ... and scientific theory than forwarded-time-travel, merely, and simply because the future is uncertain;, all that can be foreseen is of mathematical probability;, as the future is uncertain, we cannot change that which has not occurred yet.

 

Woow, very interesting concept. Tell more, please :)







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