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[shadowhawk]

 

I am not interested in a subjective "Proof for me."  I asked what is proof and all I get is personal attacks.  You have said nothing.  No amount of evidence will persuade I suspect.  You certainly have given none.
 

 

Please. I was being more than civil and you made unsolicited, veiled insults towards me. Complaining when I call you out on it is silly.

 

 

As for the rest of your nonsense, I have explained it in the past to you directly so there is no need to do it again. I have also both alluded to it and given a direct example of what work for me here, though at posts directed towards other people. What I suggest that you do is actually read what is written before posting.

 

 

Thanks.
 

 

I have read what you said and responded to it.  As for your clam to have explained "proof" where?  Again as usual this says absolutely nothing.

[The Brain]

So lets think about this...

God waits an eternity until his silly little humans reach a technological period in time to produce a device that can record an image through a glass lens.

He then also knows that alongside the silly little humans who know this too that the devices are prone to lens flair and optical anomalies and suceptible to dust in their feild of view recording as interesting and unusual shapes.

God thinks to himself "eureka" finally a chance to appear to my children, I'll masquerade as one of these silly little orb things and wait to see how long it takes these dummies to figure out it's really me, god.

"Well that was too easy" says god, all this time they've been looking, searching, praying for a sign by me to reveal my omnipotence and ensure people know I'm real.

"Look everbody!! , I'm an orb"

[shadowhawk]

seivtcho:  Your faith is not base on proofs. Science is based on proofs. Reasoning over unproven concepts never has been the best choice.

I don't have faith. And I practice reason, so your concept, that we can't practice reason without a faith is wrong.

You even have faith in reason.  You are the result if random mutations and natural selection which does not have truth in mind when it selects for survivability.  It is not rational unless you want to argue for a rational mind guiding it.  Why should we trust your so called reason?  Science is not based on proofs.  Who proved science?  Science is a method not a proof.  Except for logic and math “Proof” is not normally used.  Instead, probability and evidence are used.  Reasoning over unproven concepts is our only choice and this is where faith comes in.  Science is a limited philosophy which can only be used to study certain subjects.  Have you ever studied the philosophy of Science?  It is a huge and conflicted field of study with few agreements.  So you do have faith and use it all the time.
 

[The Brain]

Word chess again, boring

[old_school]

 

Your faith is not base on proofs. Science is based on proofs. Reasoning over unproven concepts never has been the best choice. 

 

I don't have faith. And I practice reason, so your concept, that we can't practice reason without a faith is wrong. 

 

 

If you had reason, you would know that it is reasonable to believe in God.
 

[old_school]

So lets think about this...

God waits an eternity until his silly little humans reach a technological period in time to produce a device that can record an image through a glass lens.

He then also knows that alongside the silly little humans who know this too that the devices are prone to lens flair and optical anomalies and suceptible to dust in their feild of view recording as interesting and unusual shapes.

God thinks to himself "eureka" finally a chance to appear to my children, I'll masquerade as one of these silly little orb things and wait to see how long it takes these dummies to figure out it's really me, god.

"Well that was too easy" says god, all this time they've been looking, searching, praying for a sign by me to reveal my omnipotence and ensure people know I'm real.

"Look everbody!! , I'm an orb"

 

Your Brain has failed you. The supernatural orb is not Father God nor His Son, Jesus. He is the Holy Spirit. Also known as the Spirit of God.
 

[The Brain]

How does that relate to my post Old Fool ?


Or were you just wanting a chance to recite some religious dribble ?

[old_school]

How does that relate to my post Old Fool ?


Or were you just wanting a chance to recite some religious dribble ?

 

I am not claiming the supernatural orbs to be God the Father or His Son, Jesus. I am claiming them to be God's Spirit, which is the Holy Spirit. You know...Father, Son and Holy Spirit...the third person in the Holy Trinity.
 

Edited by old_school, 21 May 2015 - 03:53 AM.

[The Brain]

So replace god in my post with whatever you want to call it then...?

[mikeinnaples]

 

 

I am not interested in a subjective "Proof for me."  I asked what is proof and all I get is personal attacks.  You have said nothing.  No amount of evidence will persuade I suspect.  You certainly have given none.
 

 

Please. I was being more than civil and you made unsolicited, veiled insults towards me. Complaining when I call you out on it is silly.

 

 

As for the rest of your nonsense, I have explained it in the past to you directly so there is no need to do it again. I have also both alluded to it and given a direct example of what work for me here, though at posts directed towards other people. What I suggest that you do is actually read what is written before posting.

 

 

Thanks.
 

 

I have read what you said and responded to it.  As for your clam to have explained "proof" where?  Again as usual this says absolutely nothing.

 

 

Are you saying that don't remember our discussions in the past among the sea of inane responses you have made Shadowhawk? No surprise there to be honest given how little thought appears to go in actual content you post (i.e. cut and paste from the web) in between crying martyr and hurling veiled insults. Anyways, I know you are smart enough to use google judging by your cut and paste responses, so I am 100% certain you are smart enough to use the search function and/or post histories to go back and review the prior conversations we have had. As far as your responses to me go, they have been nothing but veiled insults, rude dismissals, and/or invalid responses evidenced by the content of your response in context of my posts (i.e. you didn't actually read and comprehend them).

 

 

I would love to engage you in actual discussion and debate over various topics, but so far you seem completely incapable of doing so without falling back to your typical behavior.
 

[mikeinnaples]

 

How does that relate to my post Old Fool ?


Or were you just wanting a chance to recite some religious dribble ?

 

I am not claiming the supernatural orbs to be God the Father or His Son, Jesus. I am claiming them to be God's Spirit, which is the Holy Spirit. You know...Father, Son and Holy Spirit...the third person in the Holy Trinity.
 

 

 

I had an in depth conversation with an orb last night in my bedroom and it told me telepathically that they are really multidimensional observation devices from a super advanced species that exist in a plane outside of our ability to comprehend and that we shouldn't mistake them for divinity if we hope to eventually advance as a species.

[Clacksberg]

mikeinnaples - Have you seen the little fella that resides in the green orb on this thread -

[mikeinnaples]

mikeinnaples - Have you seen the little fella that resides in the green orb on this thread -

 

Of course, didn't I just say that I spoke to him last night.

 

He isn't really green though or a 'he' for that matter, it is just the appearance he took to make it easier for my mind to comprehend.

[shadowhawk]

So lets think about this...

God waits an eternity until his silly little humans reach a technological period in time to produce a device that can record an image through a glass lens.

He then also knows that alongside the silly little humans who know this too that the devices are prone to lens flair and optical anomalies and suceptible to dust in their feild of view recording as interesting and unusual shapes.

God thinks to himself "eureka" finally a chance to appear to my children, I'll masquerade as one of these silly little orb things and wait to see how long it takes these dummies to figure out it's really me, god.

"Well that was too easy" says god, all this time they've been looking, searching, praying for a sign by me to reveal my omnipotence and ensure people know I'm real.

"Look everbody!! , I'm an orb"

God didn't wait an eternity to create either glass or orbs.  Neither are eternal or created by man.  The rest of this is nothing but your fantastic mocking.  Of course you don't even know what all orbs are either.

 

[shadowhawk]

 

 

 

I am not interested in a subjective "Proof for me."  I asked what is proof and all I get is personal attacks.  You have said nothing.  No amount of evidence will persuade I suspect.  You certainly have given none.
 

 

Please. I was being more than civil and you made unsolicited, veiled insults towards me. Complaining when I call you out on it is silly.

 

 

As for the rest of your nonsense, I have explained it in the past to you directly so there is no need to do it again. I have also both alluded to it and given a direct example of what work for me here, though at posts directed towards other people. What I suggest that you do is actually read what is written before posting.

 

 

Thanks.
 

 

I have read what you said and responded to it.  As for your clam to have explained "proof" where?  Again as usual this says absolutely nothing.

 

 

Are you saying that don't remember our discussions in the past among the sea of inane responses you have made Shadowhawk? No surprise there to be honest given how little thought appears to go in actual content you post (i.e. cut and paste from the web) in between crying martyr and hurling veiled insults. Anyways, I know you are smart enough to use google judging by your cut and paste responses, so I am 100% certain you are smart enough to use the search function and/or post histories to go back and review the prior conversations we have had. As far as your responses to me go, they have been nothing but veiled insults, rude dismissals, and/or invalid responses evidenced by the content of your response in context of my posts (i.e. you didn't actually read and comprehend them).

 

 

I would love to engage you in actual discussion and debate over various topics, but so far you seem completely incapable of doing so without falling back to your typical behavior.
 

 

I do remember our discussions well, which like this one actually say nothing.  This is nothing but ad hominem personal attacks and baloney and yes I would be happy to debate you anytime.  Other than that do you think this complete nonsense will make some real point?  You are the one who should use the search engine before making bogus claims.

[Lewis Carroll]

 

 

 

 

I am not interested in a subjective "Proof for me."  I asked what is proof and all I get is personal attacks.  You have said nothing.  No amount of evidence will persuade I suspect.  You certainly have given none.
 

 

Please. I was being more than civil and you made unsolicited, veiled insults towards me. Complaining when I call you out on it is silly.

 

 

As for the rest of your nonsense, I have explained it in the past to you directly so there is no need to do it again. I have also both alluded to it and given a direct example of what work for me here, though at posts directed towards other people. What I suggest that you do is actually read what is written before posting.

 

 

Thanks.
 

 

I have read what you said and responded to it.  As for your clam to have explained "proof" where?  Again as usual this says absolutely nothing.

 

 

Are you saying that don't remember our discussions in the past among the sea of inane responses you have made Shadowhawk? No surprise there to be honest given how little thought appears to go in actual content you post (i.e. cut and paste from the web) in between crying martyr and hurling veiled insults. Anyways, I know you are smart enough to use google judging by your cut and paste responses, so I am 100% certain you are smart enough to use the search function and/or post histories to go back and review the prior conversations we have had. As far as your responses to me go, they have been nothing but veiled insults, rude dismissals, and/or invalid responses evidenced by the content of your response in context of my posts (i.e. you didn't actually read and comprehend them).

 

 

I would love to engage you in actual discussion and debate over various topics, but so far you seem completely incapable of doing so without falling back to your typical behavior.
 

 

I do remember our discussions well, which like this one actually say nothing.  This is nothing but ad hominem personal attacks and baloney and yes I would be happy to debate you anytime.  Other than that do you think this complete nonsense will make some real point?  You are the one who should use the search engine before making bogus claims.

 

 

I love how you have the audacity to accuse others of "ad hominem and baloney". You are such a ridiculous, comical hypocrite. 

I also love how you accuse others' posts of "saying nothing and making bogus claims". You are the KING of word chess (aka saying nothing) as well as making beyond bogus claims.

Edited by MajinBrian, 21 May 2015 - 07:32 PM.

[mikeinnaples]

 

 

 

 

I am not interested in a subjective "Proof for me."  I asked what is proof and all I get is personal attacks.  You have said nothing.  No amount of evidence will persuade I suspect.  You certainly have given none.
 

 

Please. I was being more than civil and you made unsolicited, veiled insults towards me. Complaining when I call you out on it is silly.

 

 

As for the rest of your nonsense, I have explained it in the past to you directly so there is no need to do it again. I have also both alluded to it and given a direct example of what work for me here, though at posts directed towards other people. What I suggest that you do is actually read what is written before posting.

 

 

Thanks.
 

 

I have read what you said and responded to it.  As for your clam to have explained "proof" where?  Again as usual this says absolutely nothing.

 

 

Are you saying that don't remember our discussions in the past among the sea of inane responses you have made Shadowhawk? No surprise there to be honest given how little thought appears to go in actual content you post (i.e. cut and paste from the web) in between crying martyr and hurling veiled insults. Anyways, I know you are smart enough to use google judging by your cut and paste responses, so I am 100% certain you are smart enough to use the search function and/or post histories to go back and review the prior conversations we have had. As far as your responses to me go, they have been nothing but veiled insults, rude dismissals, and/or invalid responses evidenced by the content of your response in context of my posts (i.e. you didn't actually read and comprehend them).

 

 

I would love to engage you in actual discussion and debate over various topics, but so far you seem completely incapable of doing so without falling back to your typical behavior.
 

 

I do remember our discussions well, which like this one actually say nothing.  This is nothing but ad hominem personal attacks and baloney and yes I would be happy to debate you anytime.  Other than that do you think this complete nonsense will make some real point?  You are the one who should use the search engine before making bogus claims.

 

 

There you go again, crying martyr and complaining about being personally attacked while responding in a manner similar to that which you are complaining about. That is called hypocrisy and only validates my comments. You even managed to throw in examples of a rude dismissal and a veiled insult.

 

 

As I have mentioned in the past, I really don't believe you are here for the sake of honest debate.

 

 

 

 

 

[The Brain]

So lets think about this...

God waits an eternity until his silly little humans reach a technological period in time to produce a device that can record an image through a glass lens.

He then also knows that alongside the silly little humans who know this too that the devices are prone to lens flair and optical anomalies and suceptible to dust in their feild of view recording as interesting and unusual shapes.

God thinks to himself "eureka" finally a chance to appear to my children, I'll masquerade as one of these silly little orb things and wait to see how long it takes these dummies to figure out it's really me, god.

"Well that was too easy" says god, all this time they've been looking, searching, praying for a sign by me to reveal my omnipotence and ensure people know I'm real.

"Look everbody!! , I'm an orb"

God didn't wait an eternity to create either glass or orbs. Neither are eternal or created by man. The rest of this is nothing but your fantastic mocking. Of course you don't even know what all orbs are either.

Clown, read what is there not what you want to read

[shadowhawk]

  MajinBrian: I love how you have the audacity to accuse others of "ad hominem and baloney". You are such a ridiculous, comical hypocrite. 

I also love how you accuse others' posts of "saying nothing and making bogus claims". You are the KING of word chess (aka saying nothing) as well as making beyond bogus claims.

 

More ad hominem baloney.  You are an example of saying nothing..  Zero!!!

 

   Mikeinnaples:

There you go again, crying martyr and complaining about being personally attacked while responding in a manner similar to that which you are complaining about. That is called hypocrisy and only validates my comments. You even managed to throw in examples of a rude dismissal and a veiled insult.

As I have mentioned in the past, I really don't believe you are here for the sake of honest debate.

 

More of the same.    Listen to yourselves!!!  Nothing but personal attacks and you have said zero!!!  And I should not dismiss this?  This is Honest debate??    

 

 

[old_school]

Elijah Ascends to Heaven

 

2 KINGS 2:1. And when it came to pass, when the LORD was about to take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind,...

 

 

Elijah would have traveled through a spiritual tunnel (whirlwind) on his way to heaven.

 

Here is a real photograph of a physical whirlwind.

 

 

2 KINGS 2:11. ...Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

[Lewis Carroll]

Elijah Ascends to Heaven

 

2 KINGS 2:1. And when it came to pass, when the LORD was about to take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind,...

 

 

Elijah would have traveled through a spiritual tunnel (whirlwind) on his way to heaven.

 

Here is a real photograph of a physical whirlwind.

 

 

2 KINGS 2:11. ...Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

 

#lol

 

How do you know it was a "spiritual" whirlwind rather than a physical on?

[Dakman]

So god uses a weather event that causes mass destruction and death to transport people to him?. Why would he need the use of such an event?. Why would he need the physical body of that person?. Doesn't god just deal in peoples souls?. Why would god also create these events in areas of non population?

[shadowhawk]

So god uses a weather event that causes mass destruction and death to transport people to him?. Why would he need the use of such an event?. Why would he need the physical body of that person?. Doesn't god just deal in peoples souls?. Why would god also create these events in areas of non population?

 

Are you saying you know God does not interact ever with the physical world?  What answer do you expect to your questions?
 

[old_school]

 

Elijah Ascends to Heaven

 

2 KINGS 2:1. And when it came to pass, when the LORD was about to take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind,...

 

 

Elijah would have traveled through a spiritual tunnel (whirlwind) on his way to heaven.

 

Here is a real photograph of a physical whirlwind.

 

 

2 KINGS 2:11. ...Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

 

#lol

 

How do you know it was a "spiritual" whirlwind rather than a physical on?

 

 

Elijah would have been in spirit. The word "whirlwind" was used to describe a spiritual tunnel.
 

[old_school]

So god uses a weather event that causes mass destruction and death to transport people to him?. Why would he need the use of such an event?. Why would he need the physical body of that person?. Doesn't god just deal in peoples souls?. Why would god also create these events in areas of non population?

 

The word "whirlwind" was used to describe a spiritual tunnel. The LORD was delivering Elijah as a spirit into heaven and not his body. This is the same tunnel that people having NDE's mention traveling through in the afterlife.
 

[Dakman]

 

So god uses a weather event that causes mass destruction and death to transport people to him?. Why would he need the use of such an event?. Why would he need the physical body of that person?. Doesn't god just deal in peoples souls?. Why would god also create these events in areas of non population?

 

Are you saying you know God does not interact ever with the physical world?  What answer do you expect to your questions?
 

 

Are you saying god does interact with the world using known weather events?

[Dakman]

 

So god uses a weather event that causes mass destruction and death to transport people to him?. Why would he need the use of such an event?. Why would he need the physical body of that person?. Doesn't god just deal in peoples souls?. Why would god also create these events in areas of non population?

 

The word "whirlwind" was used to describe a spiritual tunnel. The LORD was delivering Elijah as a spirit into heaven and not his body. This is the same tunnel that people having NDE's mention traveling through in the afterlife.
 

 

How come you seem to think you know how god operates?

 

You're always coming up with reasons after the event 

 

Why don't you outline how god operates before hand instead of what looks to be finding creative excuses and creating stories for how god operates

 

You seem very dishonest

[old_school]

 

 

So god uses a weather event that causes mass destruction and death to transport people to him?. Why would he need the use of such an event?. Why would he need the physical body of that person?. Doesn't god just deal in peoples souls?. Why would god also create these events in areas of non population?

 

The word "whirlwind" was used to describe a spiritual tunnel. The LORD was delivering Elijah as a spirit into heaven and not his body. This is the same tunnel that people having NDE's mention traveling through in the afterlife.
 

 

How come you seem to think you know how god operates?

 

You're always coming up with reasons after the event 

 

Why don't you outline how god operates before hand instead of what looks to be finding creative excuses and creating stories for how god operates

 

You seem very dishonest.
 

 

It is the spirit that goes to heaven, not the body. So, of course it would be a spiritual whirlwind (tunnel) that Elijah traveled through on his way to heaven. Besides, a physical whirlwind only goes as high as the clouds. Elijah traveled way pass the clouds, clear to heaven in the whirlwind in which he traveled through. It was definitely a spiritual whirlwind (tunnel).

[The Brain]

You haven't answered the questions regarding your apparent knowledge of how god operates only after his actions are questioned


As mentioned, you make stuff up to give the appearance that you know how god operates but yet it's really just creative excuses and lies to excuse your god

Edited by The Brain, 22 May 2015 - 01:05 AM.

[old_school]

You haven't answered the questions regarding your apparent knowledge of how god operates only after his actions are questioned


As mentioned, you make stuff up to give the appearance that you know how god operates but yet it's really just creative excuses and lies to excuse your god

 

Some of us actually do have a brain.