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[old_school]

Although the individual artist or person/s commissioning the artwork may have their own interpretation for the Holy Spirit's symbolic dove appearing in an orb. It does seem to be a tradition appearing in biblical artwork throughout the ages.

 

Edited by old_school, 16 June 2015 - 05:18 PM.

[shadowhawk]

We have been talking about physical phenomena not mental states.  Now it appears you are a shrink but this is mocking not expertise in mental states that says more about yours than Old School

 

[platypus]

Seeing things is not necessarily "physical phenomena". People hear voices too, does not mean the voices are real .

[old_school]

Seeing things is not necessarily "physical phenomena". People hear voices too, does not mean the voices are real .

 

Photography is a physical phenomena. Here is a photograph of a spirit in one of the many small chariots of God. I have seen many similar to this one and they are very real.

 

 

[Lewis Carroll]

 

Seeing things is not necessarily "physical phenomena". People hear voices too, does not mean the voices are real .

 

Photography is a physical phenomena. Here is a photograph of a spirit in one of the many small chariots of God. I have seen many similar to this one and they are very real.

 

 

 

 

 

Go away. Begone pest

[Clacksberg]

The Dove i think can be seen as a messenger or a symbol of freedom and peace.

[shadowhawk]

Seeing things is not necessarily "physical phenomena". People hear voices too, does not mean the voices are real?
 

Some voices are real so we must make a distinction.  Old Schools evidence is less than convincing however so is your mocking.  Why does he feel this is evidence?  How strong is it for making His case?

[The Brain]

He's a fucking nutbar, we can all see this plain as day

[shadowhawk]

Are you looking in a mirror?  Stop it, not nice.

[The Brain]

But true...

[platypus]

 

Seeing things is not necessarily "physical phenomena". People hear voices too, does not mean the voices are real .

 

Photography is a physical phenomena. Here is a photograph of a spirit in one of the many small chariots of God. I have seen many similar to this one and they are very real.

 

 

 

Looks like Shiva to me. So you see these things with bare eyes so that they are clearly not lens flares? How do they move and how long do they last? 

[The Brain]

He sees them with "beer" eyes

[old_school]

 

 

Seeing things is not necessarily "physical phenomena". People hear voices too, does not mean the voices are real .

 

Photography is a physical phenomena. Here is a photograph of a spirit in one of the many small chariots of God. I have seen many similar to this one and they are very real.

 

 

 

Looks like Shiva to me. So you see these things with bare eyes so that they are clearly not lens flares? How do they move and how long do they last? 

 

 

The photograph above is a human spirit riding in one of the many small orbital chariots of God. The person is a relative of the person who took the photograph. They move smoothly and spirits can jump in and out of the chariots at any time. Spirits are immortal and live forever.
 

Edited by old_school, 17 June 2015 - 02:57 PM.

[old_school]

Check out some old spirit photography.

 

http://www.prairiegh...ph_history.html

[platypus]

 

 

 

Looks like Shiva to me. So you see these things with bare eyes so that they are clearly not lens flares? How do they move and how long do they last? 

 

 

The photograph above is a human spirit riding in one of the many small orbital chariots of God. The person is a relative of the person who took the photograph. They move smoothly and spirits can jump in and out of the chariots at any time. Spirits are immortal and live forever.
 

 

Are lens flares Abrahamic spirits too? How exactly did you come up with your explanation - did you just make it up amd decided that is the truth?

[old_school]

 

 

 

 

Looks like Shiva to me. So you see these things with bare eyes so that they are clearly not lens flares? How do they move and how long do they last? 

 

 

The photograph above is a human spirit riding in one of the many small orbital chariots of God. The person is a relative of the person who took the photograph. They move smoothly and spirits can jump in and out of the chariots at any time. Spirits are immortal and live forever.
 

 

How exactly did you come up with your explanation - did you just make it up amd decided that is the truth?

 

 

I witnessed it with my own two eyes first and then found the explanation for it in the Holy Bible.
 

[Lewis Carroll]

 

 

 

Seeing things is not necessarily "physical phenomena". People hear voices too, does not mean the voices are real .

 

Photography is a physical phenomena. Here is a photograph of a spirit in one of the many small chariots of God. I have seen many similar to this one and they are very real.

 

 

 

Looks like Shiva to me. So you see these things with bare eyes so that they are clearly not lens flares? How do they move and how long do they last? 

 

 

The photograph above is a human spirit riding in one of the many small orbital chariots of God. The person is a relative of the person who took the photograph. They move smoothly and spirits can jump in and out of the chariots at any time. Spirits are immortal and live forever.
 

 

 

 

Your claims are foundationless. They are meaningless nonsense. Remember, what is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

 

"The above photograph is a human spirit"

"The above photograph is a human spirit riding in one of the many small orbital chariots of God"

"Spirits move smoothly"

"Spirits can jump in and out of chariots at any time"

"Spirits are immortal"

"Spirits live forever"

 

Can you prove a single one of these absurd claims? Can you provide any legitimate evidence whatsoever?

 

I am still petitioning for you to be banned from the forums. This is not a paranormal, conspiracist forum. Please go away. 

[shadowhawk]

Did you take the picture of what you saw or did someone else take the picture and it looks like what you saw? 

[shadowhawk]

 

 

 

 

Seeing things is not necessarily "physical phenomena". People hear voices too, does not mean the voices are real .

 

Photography is a physical phenomena. Here is a photograph of a spirit in one of the many small chariots of God. I have seen many similar to this one and they are very real.

 

 

 

Looks like Shiva to me. So you see these things with bare eyes so that they are clearly not lens flares? How do they move and how long do they last? 

 

 

The photograph above is a human spirit riding in one of the many small orbital chariots of God. The person is a relative of the person who took the photograph. They move smoothly and spirits can jump in and out of the chariots at any time. Spirits are immortal and live forever.
 

 

 

 

Your claims are foundationless. They are meaningless nonsense. Remember, what is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

 

"The above photograph is a human spirit"

"The above photograph is a human spirit riding in one of the many small orbital chariots of God"

"Spirits move smoothly"

"Spirits can jump in and out of chariots at any time"

"Spirits are immortal"

"Spirits live forever"

 

Can you prove a single one of these absurd claims? Can you provide any legitimate evidence whatsoever?

 

I am still petitioning for you to be banned from the forums. This is not a paranormal, conspiracist forum. Please go away. 

 

And where is your evidence?   don't think he has presented enough yet except his own testimony and photos and some other items which you have not bothered to examine.  Just calling names is all you have presented.

[Clacksberg]

Check out some old spirit photography.

 

http://www.prairiegh...istory.htmlThat

That's getting into parapsychology, Platypus wont like that..

[old_school]

 

 

 

 

Seeing things is not necessarily "physical phenomena". People hear voices too, does not mean the voices are real .

 

Photography is a physical phenomena. Here is a photograph of a spirit in one of the many small chariots of God. I have seen many similar to this one and they are very real.

 

 

 

Looks like Shiva to me. So you see these things with bare eyes so that they are clearly not lens flares? How do they move and how long do they last? 

 

 

The photograph above is a human spirit riding in one of the many small orbital chariots of God. The person is a relative of the person who took the photograph. They move smoothly and spirits can jump in and out of the chariots at any time. Spirits are immortal and live forever.
 

 

 

 

Your claims are foundationless. They are meaningless nonsense. Remember, what is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

 

"The above photograph is a human spirit"

"The above photograph is a human spirit riding in one of the many small orbital chariots of God"

"Spirits move smoothly"

"Spirits can jump in and out of chariots at any time"

"Spirits are immortal"

"Spirits live forever"

 

Can you prove a single one of these absurd claims? Can you provide any legitimate evidence whatsoever?

 

I am still petitioning for you to be banned from the forums. This is not a paranormal, conspiracist forum. Please go away. 

 

 

What are you afraid of?
 

[The Brain]

You are that deluded you have to try and appear you have something to be afraid of...

He along with myself and others here are not in the slightest anything but laughing incredulously at your childlike attempts to spin a story that is transparently false

[Danail Bulgaria]

@old_school , you are giving absolutely no reasonable arguments for what you claim.

You are only showing photographs of an light orbs and you are prretending them to be something just like that. You need more evidences to claim whatever for each one of the pictures, that you showed. You are making the evidences to support your claim. The correct is the opposite - your claim to match the evidences.

I told you before - each representation of an orb would have a different expolanation, and it may be everything religeous and non - religeous. So far we excluded a photographic flare, and explained that the halo of the saints is only imaginary and are not a real orbs arrounf the heads of the saints. It seems you don't give up easy from wrong ideas Why are you so sure, that the above photograph is not a fraud for example?

[The Brain]

Why did he steal them from a haunted house/ghost hunting website in the first place


And after I contacted the site owner asking how long the photos he's been spamming many many many sites across the internet I was told they have been on their site for many years, he's only been spreading his fantasy for two. I think we can conclude he's constructed his story from his desires. Also of note is he is an active member of a website for Creative Christian Writers. You can see that he's concocted this whole embarrassing fiasco. Note worthy also is that no one even other christians in the boards he tries to spread his story believe his claims either. Most end up calling him an idiot.

[sthira]

@ Old school
I think this thread is entirely tongue in cheek? But if not, that is, if you seriously believe God and his spirits are manifesting themselves through lens flares, fingerprints and smudges on glass, Photoshop manipulations and tricks, then why wouldn't you also be open to asking God to directly respond to this thread? Dear God: be here now, please. Ask and ye shall receive? If God appears in photos on the web, then why not in words on this very site? We're all humbly open to the next divine appearance. For this new visitation, though, may we request clearer evidence from the Almighty?

[Lewis Carroll]

 

 

Your claims are foundationless. They are meaningless nonsense. Remember, what is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

 

"The above photograph is a human spirit"

"The above photograph is a human spirit riding in one of the many small orbital chariots of God"

"Spirits move smoothly"

"Spirits can jump in and out of chariots at any time"

"Spirits are immortal"

"Spirits live forever"

 

Can you prove a single one of these absurd claims? Can you provide any legitimate evidence whatsoever?

 

I am still petitioning for you to be banned from the forums. This is not a paranormal, conspiracist forum. Please go away. 

 

And where is your evidence?   don't think he has presented enough yet except his own testimony and photos and some other items which you have not bothered to examine.  Just calling names is all you have presented.

 

 

My evidence for what? I am not making any claims.

 

Stop trolling... you're only egging old_school on.

[shadowhawk]

 

 

 

Your claims are foundationless. They are meaningless nonsense. Remember, what is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

 

"The above photograph is a human spirit"

"The above photograph is a human spirit riding in one of the many small orbital chariots of God"

"Spirits move smoothly"

"Spirits can jump in and out of chariots at any time"

"Spirits are immortal"

"Spirits live forever"

 

Can you prove a single one of these absurd claims? Can you provide any legitimate evidence whatsoever?

 

I am still petitioning for you to be banned from the forums. This is not a paranormal, conspiracist forum. Please go away. 

 

And where is your evidence?   don't think he has presented enough yet except his own testimony and photos and some other items which you have not bothered to examine.  Just calling names is all you have presented.

 

 

My evidence for what? I am not making any claims.

 

Stop trolling... you're only egging old_school on.

 

You made the clam that Old School views were foundationaless, meaningless, nonsense and you needed no evidence to dismiss them.  Quite a claim.  I mentioned a number of items which you have not bothered to examine such as the Shroud and Icon.  I also stated he has not, in my view, presented "enough" evidence to substantiate his claims for some of the evidence.  HOWEVER we do have the existence of pictures themselves which raise some theological and philosophical questions more profound than the subject of the pictures themselves which mockers  will never get to.  So troll on.

 

[shadowhawk]

@old_school , you are giving absolutely no reasonable arguments for what you claim.

You are only showing photographs of an light orbs and you are prretending them to be something just like that. You need more evidences to claim whatever for each one of the pictures, that you showed. You are making the evidences to support your claim. The correct is the opposite - your claim to match the evidences.

I told you before - each representation of an orb would have a different expolanation, and it may be everything religeous and non - religeous. So far we excluded a photographic flare, and explained that the halo of the saints is only imaginary and are not a real orbs arrounf the heads of the saints. It seems you don't give up easy from wrong ideas Why are you so sure, that the above photograph is not a fraud for example?

We didn't define what an "ORB." was and we didn't explain halos except their depictions in some religious art but not all.  We were talking about a particular Icon which every mocker ignored,  Seems like the straw man you are putting down up does not have to do with many items that have been brought up. 

[sthira]

...mockers will never get to...

Yeah, and speaking of mockers, we do accede that God did suddenly invent the variety of mockingbird species that propelled Darwin to fame -- it wasn't the finches, people, it was the mockers.... (See here, eg http://nhm.ac.uk/nat...irds/index.html)

Anyway. Back to shrouds, icons, and spirit chariot photos as evidence 4 the creator of all mockers.

...every mocker ignored...

Edited by sthira, 18 June 2015 - 08:25 PM.

[shadowhawk]

It would be off topic to discuss limited determinism here.  However your use of the term "mockers," shows there is more than one meaning.  Shall I define it or can you figure it out from the context?