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[Shepard]

I routinely buy products from Men Essentials. They recently added the Urth product line. I couldn't tell you the exact amount of white tea, though.

[glexia]

Hi! Can anyone advise me in this product??

Evening Restorative Complex

Indulge your skin nightly with this high-performance Polyhydroxy acid (PHA), anti-aging creme. Combats visible signs of aging while you sleep, botanicals soothe stressed skin and PHAs work to reduce the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles. Contains hyaluronic acid and triple antioxidants including vitamins A, C and E, to protect the skin from the damaging effects of free radicals and harmful environmental factors. Can be used following glycolic acid peels and microdermabrasion. All skin types. Apple-Citrus scent.


Formulated with 6% Gluconolactone and 2% Lactobionic Acid, a patented PHA which is a natural exfoliant, antioxidant, cell nutrient, and moisturizer
Non-comedogenic / acnegenic
Nourishing moisturizers, essential lipids, and botanicals help soothe stressed skin

Ingredients:Aqua (Water), Cyclomethicone, Gluconolactone, Propylene Glycol, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Glycerin, Triethanolamine, Lactobionic Acid, C12-15 Alkyl Ethylhexanoate, Cetearyl Alcohol/Ceteareth-20, Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil, Octyldodecyl Myristate, Ethoxydiglycol, PEG-100 Stearate, Butylene Glycol, Dimethicone, Tocopheryl (Vitamin E) Acetate, Ascorbyl (Vitamin C) Palmitate, Retinyl (Vitamin A) Palmitate, Glycyrrhiza Glabra (Licorice Extract), Anthemis Nobilis (Chamomile) Flower Extract, Algae Extract, Calendula Officinalis Flower Extract, Echinacea Purpurea (Coneflower) Extract , Beta-Glucan, Hydrogenated Lecithin, Caprylic/Capric/Stearic Triglyceride, Glycosphinogolipids, Phospholipids, Glyceryl Stearate, Isostearyl Neopentanoate, Phosphatidylcholine, Xanthan Gum, Sodium Hyaluronate, Titanium Dioxide, Steareth-2, Cetearyl Alcohol, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Palmitic Acid, C13-14 Isoparaffin, Stearic Acid, Laureth-7, PEG-60 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Myristic Acid, Disodium EDTA, Aluminum Hydroxide, Polyacrylamide, Phenoxyethanol, Chlorphenesin, Methylparaben, Parfum (Fragrance), CI 42090 (Blue 1).

http://www.neostrata....asp?c=0&n=8709


It has lactobionic acid, a third generation hydroxy acid, Beta-glucan, vitamins and botanical extracts.. Whay do you think?

[hallucinogen]

DOesn't ANYONE Use Skin Cream containing Idebenone , or at least CoQ10 ... Shouldn't those be among the top ingredients to look for in a skin Cream nowadays? It could even be added to any of your currently used creams, I think more people should try this:D

[spacetime]

I agree hallucinogen, idebenone is often overlooked. I use a gram or two in an 8oz bottle. Too much and you look like George Hamilton with a fake bake tan. But interestingly enough, I used 1 gram ideb in some nutragena skin lotion and no sunburn or tan. Hasn't helped too much with scarring but skin complexion is a lot more even with a lot less blotchiness.

[Shepard]

I use an idebenone cream every few days. I'm not entirely convinced it should be considered the top ingredient, though.

[mitkat]

I use this on my body, and I mix in a few of the powders from skinessentials and a touch of the idebenone, still experimenting with what works for me. I know this cream isn't totally top-notch, but it's pretty quality, IMO and has never let me down.

http://www.jamiesonv...item.asp?id=421

[Athanasios]

Also, how do you mix these DIY components you buy off that site Cnorworld et al?

I mix them using a spoon or fork. After mixing a bit, you need to let it sit for powders to absorb moisture, then mix some more. It comes out with a great consistency.

[sentinel]

Yeah, I put a whole stack of the Skin Actives ingredients together in their base cream and they take a while to whisk smooth with a fork but then, you only have to do it every few months so it's not big deal. You can use a blender or one of those little devices used to whisk/froth egg whites etc but you spend the same amount of time getting all the cream back off the wisk, bowl and so on [huh]

Also don't stick DMAE with the rest or it will turn a thick cream into a runny lotion.

Sentinel

[goku]

What do people think of low dose accutane for general skin care. Pubmed it and you'll see quite impressive results with a dose around 3 mg per day.

[mitkat]

What do people think of low dose accutane for general skin care.  Pubmed it and you'll see quite impressive results with a dose around 3 mg per day.

I've read some pretty scary things about accutane in general. My brother had a couple courses of it when he was a teenager, it worked pretty well, but having to get your liver function checked? Youch. Here's a couple doozies to mull over -

http://www.imminst.o...ST&f=169&t=6317

http://www.imminst.o...T&f=169&t=12382

[hallucinogen]

PS: Don't make the same mistake of dumping 3g of Vitamin C powder into your cream and getting it in your eyes, it burns like hell! :O

[mitkat]

PS: Don't make the same mistake of dumping 3g of Vitamin C powder into your cream and getting it in your eyes, it burns like hell! :O

[:o] Ouch...

Do you just use regular ascorbic acid? Cause I've got lots...and I hate it...so a use would be awesome.

[mitkat]

You all might be interested to visit http://www.enhancementquest.com

Simon from Betterhumans just started it up sometime ago, not a lot of members yet, but it's got lots of info and news about skin care, among other more "topical" things

I signed up, guess I'm just a vain sunuvagun.

[goku]

Excellent link Mitkat -- looks like an interesting site.

[goku]

Anybody use Kinetin (Kinerase); sounds good:


Epidermal and dermal characteristics in skin equivalent after systemic and topical application of skin care ingredients.

* Vicanova J,
* Bouez C,
* Lacroix S,
* Lindmark L,
* Damour O.

DermData sro, Czech Republic. javi@ferrosan.com

Effects of active ingredients from topical and systemic skincare products on structure and organization of epidermis, dermal-epidermal junction (DEJ), and dermis were examined using an in vitro reconstructed skin equivalent (SE). Imedeen Time Perfection (ITP) ingredients (a mixture of BioMarine Complex, grape seed extract, tomato extract, vitamin C) were supplemented systemically into culture medium. Kinetin, an active ingredient from Imedeen Expression Line Control Serum, was applied topically. Both treatments were tested separately or combined. In epidermis, all treatments stimulated keratinocyte proliferation, showing a significant increase of Ki67-positive keratinocytes (P < 0.05). Kinetin showed a twofold increase of Ki67-positive cells, ITP resulted in a fivefold, and ITP+kinetin showed a nine-fold increase. Differentiation of keratinocytes was influenced only by kinetin since filaggrin was found only in kinetin and kinetin+ITP samples. At the DEJ, laminin 5 was slightly increased by all treatments. In dermis, only ITP increased the amount of collagen type I. Both kinetin and ITP stimulated formation of fibrillin-1 and elastin deposition. The effect of kinetin was seen in upper dermis. It stimulated not only the amount of deposited fibrillin-1 and elastin fibers but also their organization perpendicularly to the DEJ. ITP stimulated formation of fibrillin-1 in deeper dermis. In summary, the combination of topical treatment with kinetin and systemic treatment with ITP had complementary beneficial effects in the formation and development of epidermis and dermis.

[glexia]

Hi! About Ferulic acid :

Ferulic acid stabilizes a solution of vitamins C and E and doubles its photoprotection of skin.

Duke University Medical Center, Durham, North Carolina 27710, USA.

Ferulic acid is a potent ubiquitous plant antioxidant. Its incorporation into a topical solution of 15%l-ascorbic acid and 1%alpha-tocopherol improved chemical stability of the vitamins (C+E) and doubled photoprotection to solar-simulated irradiation of skin from 4-fold to approximately 8-fold as measured by both erythema and sunburn cell formation. Inhibition of apoptosis was associated with reduced induction of caspase-3 and caspase-7. This antioxidant formulation efficiently reduced thymine dimer formation. This combination of pure natural low molecular weight antioxidants provides meaningful synergistic protection against oxidative stress in skin and should be useful for protection against photoaging and skin cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum


SkinCeuticals


Ingredients:
0.5% ferulic acid, 15% C and 1% E, and exposed to 4x MED.

The Latest Research Shows:
C E Ferulic provides more photoprotection than single antioxidant skincare technologies.
C E Ferulic provides 8x photoprotection and unprecedented anti-aging benefits.
C E Ferulic reduces sunburn cell formation up to 96% in UV irradiated skin.
C E Ferulic prevents the formation of thymine dimers, sun induced DNA mutations associated with skin cancer.

http://www.skinstore...D=0&prodID=3732

[syr_]

i'd like a source of bulk ferulic acid.

[opales]

A good related video by a professional dermatologist

http://video.google....41&q=skin aging

[DukeNukem]

LEF is selling a new cream that looks pretty good (I've ordered some for me and my parents):
http://www.lef.org/n.../item00918.html
It includes Idebenone for all those above who see this as a good thing. Plus, it does not include Propylene Glycol, which many people see as a carcinogen.

Glexia, I just spent two weeks in Spain (Madrid, Toledo, Valencia, Barcelona). Absolutely beautiful country, and the people are almost universally thin to normal -- a shocking difference to the people in the USA. One night I walked down the river bed in Valencia, now a park that runs through the city, and it was like a New York marathon with so many people out jogging, young and old just the same. Totally amazing. People actually care about staying fit.

[kenj]

When cycling and *pausing* diff ingredients I get a broad spectrum application, - sunscreen and moisturizer being on the program every day.
I read somewhere that exposing your skin to like 15 minutes sunlight w/o sunscreen would actually be good for the skin -- or was it health in general?

I rotate a stabilized vitamin C in the evenings with 3% DMAE, - also I lightly exfoliate every weekend night with Beta Alistine's 6% AHAs, sparingly on SOME areas in the face.
Few mornings/weekly I cleanse and lightly exfoliate with 2% salicylic acid (gel), followed by 8% glycolic acid (gel) or I use the oil-free serum Berry Beneficial (including the spin trap PBN, Hyaluronic Acid and the fruit antioxidants) and always a final moisturizer: Beta Alistine's Age Delete Moisturising Face Cream or an Aloe Vera cream.

Pure Skin Formulations is a great company using many, no-nonsense, interesting ingredients in their products, offering a very fair price IMO.

http://www.Psfskincare.com.

[syr_]

Yes PSF is great. Their pure hyaluronic acid is the best.

BTW I answered my own question looking at the links posted in this same topic.
http://www.skinactiv...cts/ferulic.htm

[DukeNukem]

>>> Pure Skin Formulations is a great company using many...

I looked at the DMAE page, and there's no mention of the ingredients (other than DMAE, at 3%). Not good. What if it includes propylene glycol, for example, as most of these creams do?

[kenj]

Duke, PSF disclose all ingredients used.

Ingredients:

Aqua (Distilled Water), Carbomer, 2-dimethylaminoethanol (DMAE), Butylene Glycol

[Karomesis]

this stuff looks to be sweet

http://www.skinstore...D=0&prodID=3732

and it has a shitload of science to back it up. do a pubmed search on ferulic acid [thumb]

[Shepard]

I've used a few products made by SkinCeuticals and none have disappointed me.

[Karomesis]

Shepard, which is your favorite?

I'm thinking of getting the one I posted cause it looks like it will help to protect my skin from the horrors of photoaging and otherwise decrease collagen crosslinking. [glasses]

[Shepard]

Shepard, which is your favorite?

The product that I use most often is the Hydrayting B5 Gel. I love this stuff. I also use the Serum 15 a couple of times per week (not the newest formulation).

[spacetime]

I'd like to make my own skin cream but I'm wondering what a good base would be to add the PBN, ideb, etc? Anyone have any good recommendations or even a formula to homebrew one? Would penetration enhancers like DMSO be of help, and yes I'm aware of the smell.

[syr_]

shepard, yes they are good (even after l'oreal bought them), but very overpriced respect to the ingredients.

[Shepard]

shepard, yes they are good (even after l'oreal bought them), but very overpriced respect to the ingredients.

Yeah, I did notice the Hyaluronic Acid at the PSF site was a bit cheaper.