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#1 Mind_Paralysis

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 03:50 PM


Yeah, this is a rather special day, because I have been suffering from burnout for some time, and today, when I FINALLY got all of the necessary products - my life has improved (it had done so previously as well, from the incomplete product-list) and my physical activity, my MENTAL activity, has increased.

 

I've actually done a good deal of exercise today, push-ups, sit-ups, knee-crunchers, running, jogging and walking - as well as the final test: SNOW-PLOWING! : D

 

Damn, that last one is hard work...

 

Anyways, these are the compounds I need to take to keep my brain going, so I can get my body going:
 

NSI-189 - 20 mg

Atomoxetine - 35 mg

Modafinil 200 mg* (*actually using 150 mg ARmodafinil right now, but the results are the same.)

Gabapentin - 300 mg

 

The NSI-189 is for Burnout, a form of more cognitively impairing and difficult to treat depression - induced from low external chronic stress (somewhat similar to how PTSD develops, but slow-burn), the Atomoxetine and the Modafinil is for Sluggish Cognitive Tempo - a form of attention-deficit differing in symptoms and treatment from ADHD (more like narcolepsy, actually), the Gabapentin (and in part, the modafinil) is for PLMD - Periodic Limb-Movement Disorder - a disease which causes my arms and legs to twitch and vibrate when I sleep, worsening sleep-quality significantly, making recuperation difficult. Only NSI-189 can ever truly be removed, the others I need to be on for as long as I live.

 

 

Now, since my motivation is back, my fear lessened, and my learned helplessness is weakening (I'm actually making plans for dating and business again!) I want to get back to the REAL exercising:

Martial arts.

 

 

To learn how to fight reasonably, so as to protect myself and build my self-esteem has been a project for the last couple of years - prior to intense studies and subsequent burnout, I was also making some headway there. I want to return to this, and get better at kicking ass again.

 

As such, I plan to return to full-contact KARATE - which, quite frankly, is a friggin' grueling sport...! 0_o Many sessions used to leave me completely knackered - with a bruised and battered body - inflammated joints and muscle-groups are the norm, as sometimes you even get small oedema's from all the pounding...! Not to mention how yes, bones can get fractured as well (I've broken several when I practised previously), or semi-fractured, with multiple small micro-fractures instead, from the act of "hardening".

 

Overall, Karate kind of made me feel like sh*t quite often, and I always had a hard time to recuperate correctly, missing out on practise as a result.

Well, this time I want to do better!

 

 

So, does anyone have any suggestions on what sort of technology, chemicals and techniques can be used to speed up recovery? Basically, I'm looking for some kind of iron-tight protocol which enhances healing - something like what the pro-athletes use.

 

 

I was thinking something like this:

 

Meldonium

Bromantane (for the more grueling sessions, like when there's grading)

DMSO (for healing tendons and cartilage)

Cold Showers (apparently this helps, when done chronically during regular exercise...)

 

Sleep (since I did not know about my fatigue being connected to PLMD in the past, I'm thinking I might do better recuperation-wise this time around - now that I know how to improve it)

Improved coordination (one of the reasons I get so F***ED UP, is because I'm quite bad at MA! I know now that this is because of decreased reaction-time from SCT and coordination-problems - I notice somewhat of an increase in dexterity and muscle-control since beginning treatment with moda and atx - implying that some of my coordination-problems are connected to the disturbance in the SPL - Superior Parietal Lobe - of SCT)

 

SARM's - I am considering using these, since they do appear to be safer than steroids and some of them are specifically made to heal bones and cartilage, which could make them better recuperation-compounds rather than muscle-builders. Or should I perhaps wait with karate and instead try to build a bigger frame, to endure more punishment? Using SARM's, that is.

 

 

What say you, ladies and gentlemen? Can I use some biochemistry to improve my chances at doing Martial Arts? What would you suggest that I take, or do, to improve recuperation?

 

Any and all suggestions and tips are heartily received! : D

 



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 06:06 PM

Perhaps try a Grappling art as it is easier on the body long term.


PM me if you have questions, I'd be more then willing to help. I have nearly 18 years of experience.
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#3 Mind_Paralysis

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 03:37 PM

Ey, cheers for the reply, Arc! = )

I'm probably going to PM you in the future and pick your brain a bit.

 

I honestly don't plan to be with karate long-term, I just want to reach a specific grade-level, which I had set, and then move on to other Martial Arts - to try a few different things, to get a more well-rounded approach to self-defense.

 

A grappling-art like Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is on the list, and might be my next stop after I reach my Karate-goals!



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Posted 16 June 2017 - 01:14 PM

What about the swollen fingers that grapplers get? Is that common ark?



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Posted 16 June 2017 - 05:32 PM

Not to common, more common is cauliflower ears....

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 10:34 AM

As an avid weight lifter and someone training for mma who already has a few years of Kung Fu experience I can vouch for the cold showers.  Or better yet, contrast showers.  Sometimes I wake up so sore I just can't get myself to do things I had planned that day, but after a quick 10 minute contrast shower I feel much less sore.

 

I find epsom salt soaks pretty useful.

 

Of coure, don't forget about mobility.  Which is a combination of range of motion and activation.  It's possible to have a range of motion that exceeds your ability to control your limb throughout that entire range of motion so they both have to come together.

 

I've noticed having a base of muscle and strength in combination with my mobility has made me very injury resistant.  A punch to the gut hurts a lot less when you're protected by a wall of muscle.  Even getting punched on the button isn't as bad.  The point being, build some strength and muscle.  The fastest most effective way is with basic compound movements.  Consider it general physical preparedness (GPP).  No, it's not super specific to the actual sport, but it does help performance and will help improve longevity in the sport as well.

 

Don't forget protein powder!  It helps a ton with recovery after sessions.  Amino acids for during the sessions can help ward off fatigue.

 

Foam rolling can be a god send.  If you've never done it before and you start foam rolling everything for a long time, don't be surprised if you actually feel a little sick.  But that stops happening pretty soon after getting into the habit.  You can use a lacrosse ball and even a golf ball for those hard to reach places.  

 

Sorry if that wasn't quite what you were looking for.  


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Posted 07 January 2018 - 12:23 AM

SARMs are not well understood or tested.  If you want to use PEDs, stick with testosterone and a low dose of primobolan.  Say 100mg of test per week and 100-200mg of primobolan per week.  This should greatly improve recovery times, with minimal suppression and minimal negative effect on RBCs and lipids.  100mg of test is more than enough and won't cause elevated estrogen.  If you really have to stick with pills, stick to anavar.  It's safe, and has a 50-year track record.   20mg per day will great improve recovery time and not cause too much suppression.  


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Posted 07 January 2018 - 09:56 PM

SARMs are not well understood or tested.  If you want to use PEDs, stick with testosterone and a low dose of primobolan.  Say 100mg of test per week and 100-200mg of primobolan per week.  This should greatly improve recovery times, with minimal suppression and minimal negative effect on RBCs and lipids.  100mg of test is more than enough and won't cause elevated estrogen.  If you really have to stick with pills, stick to anavar.  It's safe, and has a 50-year track record.   20mg per day will great improve recovery time and not cause too much suppression.  

I thank you for weighing in and giving an option, but...

 

No. Never.

 

Test is for suckers. End of.

 

 

The side-effects are out of the whazzoo, and shut-down is, from just a small read on different muscle-forums, extremely, extremely common. Nobody seems to be able to handle this stuff responsibly...

 

There's also the fact that test is a highly, highly controlled substance in my region, and any transgressions are punished with extreme prejudice - I dare not take the kind of risk you're suggesting.

Just because something is old and well-tested does not make it a sustainable and valid treatment, of anything - to me, test is the stone-age - the dark ages that we need to advance far, far beyond.

 

 

I'll wait and try other methods instead, then. I'll try and build up my physique somewhat beforehand, to better take a beating, and then utilize different compounds to decrease pain and inflammation afterwards.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 01:14 AM

 

SARMs are not well understood or tested.  If you want to use PEDs, stick with testosterone and a low dose of primobolan.  Say 100mg of test per week and 100-200mg of primobolan per week.  This should greatly improve recovery times, with minimal suppression and minimal negative effect on RBCs and lipids.  100mg of test is more than enough and won't cause elevated estrogen.  If you really have to stick with pills, stick to anavar.  It's safe, and has a 50-year track record.   20mg per day will great improve recovery time and not cause too much suppression.  

I thank you for weighing in and giving an option, but...

 

No. Never.

 

Test is for suckers. End of.

 

 

The side-effects are out of the whazzoo, and shut-down is, from just a small read on different muscle-forums, extremely, extremely common. Nobody seems to be able to handle this stuff responsibly...

 

There's also the fact that test is a highly, highly controlled substance in my region, and any transgressions are punished with extreme prejudice - I dare not take the kind of risk you're suggesting.

Just because something is old and well-tested does not make it a sustainable and valid treatment, of anything - to me, test is the stone-age - the dark ages that we need to advance far, far beyond.

 

 

I'll wait and try other methods instead, then. I'll try and build up my physique somewhat beforehand, to better take a beating, and then utilize different compounds to decrease pain and inflammation afterwards.

 

 

If you prefer black market sarms to pharmaceutical grade testosterone, go for it!


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:22 PM

Glutamine

5-10 grams pre workout

5-10 grams post workout
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 04:57 PM

 

 

SARMs are not well understood or tested.  If you want to use PEDs, stick with testosterone and a low dose of primobolan.  Say 100mg of test per week and 100-200mg of primobolan per week.  This should greatly improve recovery times, with minimal suppression and minimal negative effect on RBCs and lipids.  100mg of test is more than enough and won't cause elevated estrogen.  If you really have to stick with pills, stick to anavar.  It's safe, and has a 50-year track record.   20mg per day will great improve recovery time and not cause too much suppression.  

I thank you for weighing in and giving an option, but...

 

No. Never.

 

Test is for suckers. End of.

 

 

The side-effects are out of the whazzoo, and shut-down is, from just a small read on different muscle-forums, extremely, extremely common. Nobody seems to be able to handle this stuff responsibly...

 

There's also the fact that test is a highly, highly controlled substance in my region, and any transgressions are punished with extreme prejudice - I dare not take the kind of risk you're suggesting.

Just because something is old and well-tested does not make it a sustainable and valid treatment, of anything - to me, test is the stone-age - the dark ages that we need to advance far, far beyond.

 

 

I'll wait and try other methods instead, then. I'll try and build up my physique somewhat beforehand, to better take a beating, and then utilize different compounds to decrease pain and inflammation afterwards.

 

 

If you prefer black market sarms to pharmaceutical grade testosterone, go for it!

 

 

That's not what I meant though... What I meant is that I'll wait with using any SARMS's, if EVER, until there is more data and some human testing on them - then I would probably do my own group buy, wherein I myself arrange and control the purity and accuracy of the substance in question.
 

Also, since when can a person without hypogonadism get a hold of anything like pharmaceutical grade Test without going to black market off-brand and custom synthesis?? In what way would I be better off there? Seems to me, since it's been a drug of abuse for decades, the market is just as shady and difficult to gauge there as well.

 

How would I know that the test I buy isn't contaminated with 20 different compounds?? As far as I know, I CAN'T!

 

Unless I run a purity-test of course - but then that's the same I would do if I bought SARM's, so then I don't see what difference there would be.



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Posted 11 January 2018 - 05:48 PM

Glutamine

5-10 grams pre workout

5-10 grams post workout

 

Hmm, interesting suggestion, you got me reading up a bit on it - apparently Glutamine is involved in anabolic processes, protein synthesis and recovery from physical damage (which, exercise like this in essence is).

 

The science seems a bit mixed on supplementing though... but there does appear to be more of an evidence towards recovery than there is for performance. But recovery is our game here! : D

Is Glutamine a part of various BCAA's? A lot about supplementing with BCAA's came up as well, when having a look at this - again, mixed results, but more towards recovery.

 

 

This gets me thinking - is it possible to figure out what parts of my body-chemistry makes it the hardest to heal and recover? If I have any specific deficits in protein-synthesis, similar to methylation-issues, which would need to be counter-acted, in order to maximize recuperation? Like, would I need specific BCAA's, while another person would need another BCAA-blend to recover optimally?

 

Building a beverage for recovery from endurance activity: a review.

http://journals.lww....durance.35.aspx

Branched-chain amino acid supplementation does not enhance athletic performance but affects muscle recovery and the immune system

https://www.research...e_immune_system

 

Dosing and Efficacy of Glutamine Supplementation in Human Exercise and Sport Training1,2

http://jn.nutrition....8/10/2045S.full

 

 

EDIT:

Which of course leads me to Exercise Genomics, and this simple article which states that we don't know too much about it:

 

https://www.outsideo...-based-training

 

Hmm... this does give me tons of ideas though! Time to check the medical litterature on what the different regimens are to recuperate from physical damage to the body!
 


Edited by Stinkorninjor, 11 January 2018 - 06:00 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 08:21 PM

Hey Stink,

 

Regarding recovery, an idea that's been circulating for the past 5-10 years is the concept of peri-workout nutrition, meaning you're taking something before activity to "prime" the body, during activity to suppress cortisol/stimulate insulin (to help tilt the anabolic vs. catabolic ratio in favor of anabolism) and then after activity to drive nutrients to the worked muscles. The idea is to take a fast-absorbed carb like cyclic cluster dextrin or palatinose with a quick-acting protein (hydrolyzed casein or BCAAs) with a few other key players, such as taurine, creatine, beta alanine, etc. There's a supplement company here in the States that "claimed" or "founded" this idea and really pushes their products built for peri-working nutrition but they have a reputation for really charging outrageous prices. I don't know if we can share product or company names here so PM me and I'll point you in their direction so you can see their products and read about the idea and science behind it. You don't necessarily have to purchase their products but use their nutrition labels as a blueprint to build your own, which is something I did. I tell you, I lift heavy 5 mornings a week and I rarely am sore. You really helped me with my NSI-189 questions in the past so I'll gladly return the favor.

 

Regarding glutamine, I find it helps with recovery too, but I don't take it when I take my BCAAs or EAAs (essential amino acids). I thought I read and heard a few times that these compete on the carriers that shuttle amino acids during digestion/intestinal absorption so ingesting them at different times is best. I forgot the details but I'm sure the info is out there on whether this is valid or not. Anyway, I take BCAAs around my workout and then glutamine later in the day. Also, people put leucine powder on their meals to help spike anabolism during the day, which helps with muscle recovery. Just another idea to incorporate if you choose.

 

Regarding SARMS and SERMS. Both will give you a slight boost in test but I think it's negligible in the grand scheme of things once you factor in cost and potential side effects. I cycle mine when I use them but at the end of the day, I think it's more important to invest that money in sound nutrition and a good supplement.

 

If you're considering peptides, BPC-157 is good for recovering from injuries and MK-677 is good for GH release, which I believe helps with tendons, muscle, etc. Those will help I'm sure.

 

Keep your protein intake high. What's the old saying, "You can't build a house if you don't have the bricks." 

 

One can really get into the weeds and spend a boatload on supplementation for muscle growth and recovery. There's a ton of stuff out there. I'd keep it simple though and build around some of the ideas above in my humble opinion.

 

Good luck!


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 03:04 AM

When I was doing serious working out I would

 

1. Take a pre-workout shake specific to pre-workout (45 min before starting

 

2. Sip on a during workout shake make specifically for during workout (my workouts were usually 2 hours, full body, pyramid style lifting, and plyo work)

 

3. Drink a post work out shake immediately following

 

4. Eat a massive meal within 1.5 hours

 

usually 2 avocados, 2 chicken breasts, 2 cups broccoli covered in cheese and a baked sweet potato

 

or

 

a giant baked sweet potato (nuked for 10-12 minutes) or 2 (de-skinned), 2 cups broccoli, 8 ounces shredded cheese, 1/2 stick butter, 10 ounces of boneless canned salmon and 1/4 cup olive oil mixed into a sort of paste -- delicious

 

 

I weighed 200 lbs -- and min protein was 200 grams a day -- total calories were close to 4000







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