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[mitkat]

I've known this for many months. I would also not consider myself a die-hard immortalist. Bad pun? A lot of life extension ideas are appealing, but I have huge reservations about it socially and ecologically, and that would make me a mortalist to many here.

And we all know that nootropics do not equal true life extension, right opales? Not being sarcastic, but I'm just contrasting how I think you feel in contrast to da_sense, just illustrating his presence further IMHO. I could be way wrong and don't wish to speak for anyone, but this is what I see from the sidelines.

edit: i heart spelling mistakes

Edited by mitkat, 23 March 2006 - 03:37 PM.

[morbius]

lol...I'm just going to jump in here and say check out www.airsealed.com for great European-made products]

My question then is why, as a moderator of adam's nootripikreations forum, which recently had an intense railing post with documents posted against airsealed.com, and a debate with an airsealed.com representative (who adam denounced as a liar and scammer), would you be recommending airsealed.com in another forum?

[morbius]

My question then is why, as a moderator of adam's nootripikreations forum, which recently had an intense railing post with documents posted against airsealed.com, and a debate with an airsealed.com representative (who adam denounced as a liar and scammer), would you be recommending airsealed.com in another forum?

adam you keep coming back this way or another?

anyway could you point me to "documents posted against airsealed.com"???

adam said we're liars and scammers? WOW THANK YOU (ADAM) FOR ENLIGHTENING ME! i was deluded all the time....now i see the whole picture....hey everyone, don't buy from airsealed, we're liars and scammers, tell your friends too )))

we honestly provide all the information regarding our products, and we never ever scammed anyone
one thing is for sure, we might not have what you look for, you might not like what we sell, but you can't say we're liars and scammers

I realize you are somewhat unbalanced while additionally struggling with the language barrier da sense but if you re-read my original post you'll see that nowhere do I say airsealed.com is a scam. I say that a moderator from adam's forum (which claims airsealed.com to be a scam), who is also a regular poster on imminst, recommends something which the forum he has ostensibly closer ties with deplores. It is a recent topic, it was an extensive and harsh debate and mitkat could hardly have missed it. I'm not saying adam is right (I happen to think he is a little unbalanced as well, case in point: he goes on and on about china products being contaminated then he shows his supplier who is from china.) To be quite honest, internet nootropic marketing apparently is a dirty business (shocker). There are very few places and fewer products that you can confirm quality control. I and others want high quality and low prices if we can get them. That in itself involves a lengthy meta-analysis of all the relevant forums/testing procedures/GMP etc. So I won't say you protest too much, but read the post, it wasn't intended for your reply.

http://nootropics.ip...wtopic=574&st=0

[morbius]

[quote]... your first post here was to attack someone. That's simply a NO NO on forums...
Still, I don't understand your first line "I realize you are somewhat unbalanced". How did you "realize" i'm unbalanced?...QUOTE]


I realized it the same time everybody else did. You are the one who casts aspersions. When that happens, I am entitled to say you are unbalanced. My first post was a legitimate question. If scrutiny feels like an attack then you are overcompensating. I have never said you don't have good product, regardless of you personally. In fact I hope you have great product. But you're wrong if you don't think you owe this forum (where you most certainly advertise and laud your wares) every proof of product purity.

[focus]

Back to the topic, the best way to get deprenyl, imo, is to go to your doctor and ask for it. In the US it is Selegine, and is a very cheap generic. If you have an on the ball doctor and request it for mental acquity/motivation you may easily get a prescription, especially if you are looking for a low dosage, like 1 to 5 mg per day. This will give you a pharmaceutical grade deprenyl.

[morbius]

lol...I'm just going to jump in here and say check out www.airsealed.com for great European-made products]

My question then is why, as a moderator of adam's nootripikreations forum, which recently had an intense railing post with documents posted against airsealed.com, and a debate with an airsealed.com representative (who adam denounced as a liar and scammer), would you be recommending airsealed.com in another forum?

I have seen you in here four times since I posted this mitkat. Are you going to pretend this also escaped your notice or should I start a new thread with your name to better capture your elusive attention? It is a simple question: Why do you endorse companies on a site where you are a member, while a site where you are a moderater vociferously rates them as scammers and peddlers of impure product?

[mitkat]

My attention is not easily eluded, and you creating such a thread would serve no purpose. Nothing has escaped my notice, I just figured if you had indeed looked closely at that post on the nootropikreations forum, you would of answered your own question. Though I am a moderator at Adam's site, you will now be keen to notice that I have not contributed to the thread about www.airsealed.com. I see no reason why you should be so concerned in the first place.

[morbius]

My attention is not easily eluded, and you creating such a thread would serve no purpose. Nothing has escaped my notice, I just figured if you had indeed looked closely at that post on the nootropikreations forum, you would of answered your own question. Though I am a moderator at Adam's site, you will now be keen to notice that I have not contributed to the thread about www.airsealed.com. I see no reason why you should be so concerned in the first place.

That is definitely a defensive answer. Obviously, I should be concerned when I detect a conflict of interests. What good are you if you are playing both sides of the street? As a moderator, you represent the site you moderate or hadn't that occurred to you? No, that would be an impossibility since nothing escapes your notice. Your credibility is fast approaching zero.

[stellar]

Can we get an IP check? The timing of this is very odd, a new signup... attacking Adam/MitKat.

[mitkat]

Good idea stellar, I was thinking the same thing, IP check time...

...but I must emphasize, I'm pure mitkat, not adam/mitkat

And morbius, I would not say that is a defensive answer as much as it is a definitive one. Adam and I obviously have different views on many numerous things, and me being a mod at his board does not imply agreement on all matters. Just like the moderators on Imminst, or ANY other board on the entire internet, there is disagreement at some level. You understand that, I'm sure.

[morbius]

Good idea stellar, I was thinking the same thing, IP check time...

...but I must emphasize, I'm pure mitkat, not adam/mitkat

And morbius, I would not say that is a defensive answer as much as it is a definitive one. Adam and I obviously have different views on many numerous things, and me being a mod at his board does not imply agreement on all matters. Just like the moderators on Imminst, or ANY other board on the entire internet, there is disagreement at some level. You understand that, I'm sure.

Funny that you guys should automatically deflect scrutiny as conspiracy theory, it's a very in thing. Yet why bother with another tepid rejoinder? Oh, you don't take the question seriously and then nobody should take your reply seriously.

You are either saying you discount his lengthy proof against airsealed or he is only thinning the competition for his own shop, as he constantly promotes it. You can split hairs any way you want. You claim you disagree, you either think he's crazy or simply marketing. There is no middle ground when he posts composition assays and makes it clear through discourse with their representative that airsealed misrepresents and also will not reveal sources. You have yet to explain your stance, so I have to assume this is the case. I don't have anything against you or adam personally, I am only weeding out potential sources of bad advice.

[tradewinds]

da_sense:

Every member and/or moderator at Adam's forum is entitled to their own opinion, and individual opinions are open to interpretation. Morbius incorrectly assumed that Adam's conclusion was that Airsealed was an all in all scam. Adam's only conclusion is that one should not import schedule 4 substances without a prescription and the individual posting on behalf of airsealed.com is unable to keep a straight story or seperate fact from fiction. That does not immediately infer that all Airsealed's products are fake, it only infers that they are in question.

We never claimed that airsealed.com is a scam. We only took note of their representatives statements as they varied with reality and consistency throughout the entire topic in question.

We do not need any proof that your products are not high quality. Your responsibility is to prove the converse. Thus far the only credible assay you have on any of your "powders" is 97.6%; and that, if representative of the rest of your powders, would only demonstrate that they are possibly all substandard. You say you have performed two independent assays, where is the second one? You are a reseller of bulk drugs that are questionable in respect to identity and/or source.

There is no argument that Airsealed does not deliver the product. A moderator at Adam's forum has provided Adam with lot numbers and other miscellaneous data inscribed on the packaging of the finished product. We advise other members to come forward and post the inscribed information on the boxes to corroborate more lot numbers with finished product.

Thank you very much.

[tradewinds]

It was brought to our attention that some readers might not know what topic we are referring to.

http://nootropics.ip...p?showtopic=574

We believe that airsealed's finished products are in fact legitimate (they even have braille!). However, there is a possibility they are fake, so we are going to do the footwork recommended to validate the drugs with respect to their origin and identity. Accoring to the WHO counterfeit medicine is a $35 billion underground industry worldwide.

http://www.manilatim...050816lif1.html
http://www.pharmacy....rfeit_drugs.htm
http://www.tillekean...m/Museum/M4.htm

We do realize there is some irony in taking note of other companies whom have not performed extensive analyses on questionable products; Adam's company, in several instances, has only performed melting point/heavy metal assays, which is a far cry from the accuracy of an HPLC assay. We believe it is more important to be forthcoming about the purported quality of our products rather than mislead readers. We are only engaging in this topic to resolve an issue that was raised about Adam's statements.

Thank you very much.

[jaydfox]

Before anyone complains that Adam is posting again, I cleared this due to the issues that were brought up related to the discussions at Adam's board, and users would not have had the facts without Adam's having some chance to rebut. Since a link to the original discussion on Adam's board has been posted, further questions should be taken there, especially if they regard Adam.

[jaydfox]

We do not need any proof that your products are not high quality. Your responsibility is to prove the converse. Thus far the only credible assay you have on any of your "powders" is 97.6%; and that, if representative of the rest of your powders, would only demonstrate that they are possibly all substandard. You say you have performed two independent assays, where is the second one? You are a reseller of bulk drugs that are questionable in respect to identity and/or source.

BTW, to head off a potential flame war: I'm not familar with the background of this particular issue (the substandard assay results). The wording here is a bit harsh, perhaps even intentionally provocative; nevertheless, if the facts stated are true (only one credible assay at 97.6%, with no sign of the second assay), then I'll leave it. If it's demonstrably false, then rather than censor it, I'll leave it up to da_sense to demonstrate that it's false. (It was aimed at da_sense, right?)

[arcticjoe]

I just got my shippment of juprenyl from airsealed (same thing as UN i believe) and yes it looks very bad. No marks on pills, very poor box and no seal. Just taken 5mg, will report how that works out later.