Doesn't anybody interest in the demographics of the people who use nootropics beside me?
I am a 22 year old engineering student in Canada. There, I want to meet with people who have the same interests.
Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:54 PM
Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:05 PM
Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:59 PM
Posted 13 March 2013 - 11:39 AM
Posted 13 March 2013 - 05:55 PM
I'm a 40 year old in a solid career, who owes it to earning a Masters degree.
Probably university-level students and young professionals would be most interested in it, as they have to prove themselves in a competitive environment. So, I'd say people between 20-35, probably with a bias towards males as they are more inquisitive with substances.
Posted 13 March 2013 - 07:55 PM
Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:40 PM
I use nootropics for work use. Quite surprised that more people in their 30's/40's don't use these substances - probably not enough people voted yet.
Posted 14 March 2013 - 09:24 PM
Edited by xsiv1, 14 March 2013 - 09:25 PM.
Posted 14 March 2013 - 09:33 PM
I'd be curious to know how many nootropic users were or currently are recreational drug users. Although I don't do anything any more, I used to party hard. Mostly after getting my grad degree but before I found my way into a career setting. Always wondered if I did significant damage to my brain after those years. On rare occasions, I may nearly slur a word or take a moment to find the right one although that has decreased since my use of nootropics just over 18 months ago.
Posted 15 March 2013 - 02:04 AM
I'd be curious to know how many nootropic users were or currently are recreational drug users. Although I don't do anything any more, I used to party hard. Mostly after getting my grad degree but before I found my way into a career setting. Always wondered if I did significant damage to my brain after those years. On rare occasions, I may nearly slur a word or take a moment to find the right one although that has decreased since my use of nootropics just over 18 months ago.
Me took, I am also curious how many nootropic users know about tDCS or things like that. Well we will see how this goes.
Edited by xsiv1, 15 March 2013 - 02:07 AM.
Posted 15 March 2013 - 04:42 AM
I'd be curious to know how many nootropic users were or currently are recreational drug users. Although I don't do anything any more, I used to party hard. Mostly after getting my grad degree but before I found my way into a career setting. Always wondered if I did significant damage to my brain after those years. On rare occasions, I may nearly slur a word or take a moment to find the right one although that has decreased since my use of nootropics just over 18 months ago.
Edited by brainslug, 15 March 2013 - 04:46 AM.
Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:33 AM
I'd be curious to know how many nootropic users were or currently are recreational drug users. Although I don't do anything any more, I used to party hard. Mostly after getting my grad degree but before I found my way into a career setting. Always wondered if I did significant damage to my brain after those years. On rare occasions, I may nearly slur a word or take a moment to find the right one although that has decreased since my use of nootropics just over 18 months ago.
Me took, I am also curious how many nootropic users know about tDCS or things like that. Well we will see how this goes.
If you haven't seen these articles, they're pretty interesting. I've read my share on rDCS and it fascinates me. Sorry for derailing the thread but I believe it's important in the sense of what we may see as the new nootropic devices...from curing pain to alleviating depression:: http://www.extremete...oid-painkillers
http://www.extremete...in-boosting-kit
http://www.extremete...ain-stimulation
The 10-19 is not an option, so I can't vote (18 years old male).
I'd be curious to know how many nootropic users were or currently are recreational drug users. Although I don't do anything any more, I used to party hard. Mostly after getting my grad degree but before I found my way into a career setting. Always wondered if I did significant damage to my brain after those years. On rare occasions, I may nearly slur a word or take a moment to find the right one although that has decreased since my use of nootropics just over 18 months ago.
I've never actually DONE recreational drugs because of strict parents, but I have always been interested in them. I think that that is how a lot of us find nootropics (I was looking up amphetamines for SATs when I found it, lol. Worth noting I never took amphs, just racetams), and I think that, if you are willing to take noots, you are probably more willing to take recreational drugs and the other way around.
Another commonality is I would be willing to bet that a disproportionate amount of people here have ADHD or anxiety that makes us isolated, and those contribute to illicit drug use and looking for "solutions" in noots.
Edited by Wu Hang, 17 March 2013 - 02:38 AM.
Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:59 AM
The 10-19 is not an option, so I can't vote (18 years old male).
I'd be curious to know how many nootropic users were or currently are recreational drug users. Although I don't do anything any more, I used to party hard. Mostly after getting my grad degree but before I found my way into a career setting. Always wondered if I did significant damage to my brain after those years. On rare occasions, I may nearly slur a word or take a moment to find the right one although that has decreased since my use of nootropics just over 18 months ago.
I've never actually DONE recreational drugs because of strict parents, but I have always been interested in them. I think that that is how a lot of us find nootropics (I was looking up amphetamines for SATs when I found it, lol. Worth noting I never took amphs, just racetams), and I think that, if you are willing to take noots, you are probably more willing to take recreational drugs and the other way around.
Another commonality is I would be willing to bet that a disproportionate amount of people here have ADHD or anxiety that makes us isolated, and those contribute to illicit drug use and looking for "solutions" in noots.
I'd be curious to know how many nootropic users were or currently are recreational drug users. Although I don't do anything any more, I used to party hard. Mostly after getting my grad degree but before I found my way into a career setting. Always wondered if I did significant damage to my brain after those years. On rare occasions, I may nearly slur a word or take a moment to find the right one although that has decreased since my use of nootropics just over 18 months ago.
Me took, I am also curious how many nootropic users know about tDCS or things like that. Well we will see how this goes.
If you haven't seen these articles, they're pretty interesting. I've read my share on rDCS and it fascinates me. Sorry for derailing the thread but I believe it's important in the sense of what we may see as the new nootropic devices...from curing pain to alleviating depression:: http://www.extremete...oid-painkillers
http://www.extremete...in-boosting-kit
http://www.extremete...ain-stimulation
Please post more because I am fascinated about this too. As a Z Gener and an engineer, I know that my future would be full of increasing competition, and I would be totally appreciated if you contribute resources into my thread because there maybe new opportunity being made by these collaborations.
Thanks
btw I am a memory boosting fanatic who hasn't used forums so much before due to course load, but right now I would like to have active contribution and hopefully use my skills to design things in which people enjoy, I really do. (and I turn down several job offers in order to become an entrepreneurs). since I have an electrical engineering major, I am currently assembling team to develop a tdcs machine that's professional quality, rather than a simple circuit product (no offense to Goflow my friends and I are just in love with this technology)The 10-19 is not an option, so I can't vote (18 years old male).
I'd be curious to know how many nootropic users were or currently are recreational drug users. Although I don't do anything any more, I used to party hard. Mostly after getting my grad degree but before I found my way into a career setting. Always wondered if I did significant damage to my brain after those years. On rare occasions, I may nearly slur a word or take a moment to find the right one although that has decreased since my use of nootropics just over 18 months ago.
I've never actually DONE recreational drugs because of strict parents, but I have always been interested in them. I think that that is how a lot of us find nootropics (I was looking up amphetamines for SATs when I found it, lol. Worth noting I never took amphs, just racetams), and I think that, if you are willing to take noots, you are probably more willing to take recreational drugs and the other way around.
Another commonality is I would be willing to bet that a disproportionate amount of people here have ADHD or anxiety that makes us isolated, and those contribute to illicit drug use and looking for "solutions" in noots.
I have experiences on various stimulants (prescrbed legally) and as far as I can tell. Stimulants are far more effective than nootropics, and it should never be abused under any situation. I do have ADHD and I actually think I can make more friends from saying that. Maybe Canada is different, or maybe it's just that I am handsome .
Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:05 PM
In my observations, the main cause for drug use among my friends (and none of them ever used heavy stuff, mostly just weed or tobacco) is lack of treatment for their mental health problems. I don't know if it is the same when it gets into the harder stuff or in the real world, but I would assume that it only gets worse.That's good to know for me, as I'm a parent of two young girls They're not close to being teens yet but I'd like to figure out more ways in how to dissuade them from use of rec drugs. I should say "abuse" because that's the road taken that always leads to the dead end. I don't think dabbling here or there is harmful, it's the addiction I'm concerned with as well as the age of which such 'dabbling' begins. For me, I rarely did much in high school except drink and do some other things but they were always in moderate fashion despite seeing others ruin their schooling with all kinds of drugs. I knew they wouldn't amount to anything and for the most part, I was right. In some instances, I was totally wrong. One chronic drug abuser from high school ended up getting his diploma and is a millionaire today with a Porsche 911 Turbo and works in the building next to us lol. I started heavier into it much later in life relatively speaking. Needless to say, it took me longer to learn my lesson. Having been abstinent from any recs for 7 years, I've turned to noots to optimize my mental abilities like I use various supplements to augment my physique and help restore it since I train 5-6 days per week. I've got a gut feeling that many rec users turn to noots somewhere along the way in life. I'd also agree that for some people, rec drug "abuse" fills a void that's not being addressed at the root. In my case, it was always gabaergic kinds of things like alcohol that made me feel 'right'. Unfortunately, I wasn't right. Never had any issues cognitively, but mentally have suffered from depression anxiety some years ago. Those issues have now resolved and I wouldn't want to go back. Its for that reason that I take my health somewhat seriously at the expense of monitoring it a bit too much i.e., assessing my moods, keeping irritability in check etc.
Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:18 PM
In my observations, the main cause for drug use among my friends (and none of them ever used heavy stuff, mostly just weed or tobacco) is lack of treatment for their mental health problems. I don't know if it is the same when it gets into the harder stuff or in the real world, but I would assume that it only gets worse.That's good to know for me, as I'm a parent of two young girls They're not close to being teens yet but I'd like to figure out more ways in how to dissuade them from use of rec drugs. I should say "abuse" because that's the road taken that always leads to the dead end. I don't think dabbling here or there is harmful, it's the addiction I'm concerned with as well as the age of which such 'dabbling' begins. For me, I rarely did much in high school except drink and do some other things but they were always in moderate fashion despite seeing others ruin their schooling with all kinds of drugs. I knew they wouldn't amount to anything and for the most part, I was right. In some instances, I was totally wrong. One chronic drug abuser from high school ended up getting his diploma and is a millionaire today with a Porsche 911 Turbo and works in the building next to us lol. I started heavier into it much later in life relatively speaking. Needless to say, it took me longer to learn my lesson. Having been abstinent from any recs for 7 years, I've turned to noots to optimize my mental abilities like I use various supplements to augment my physique and help restore it since I train 5-6 days per week. I've got a gut feeling that many rec users turn to noots somewhere along the way in life. I'd also agree that for some people, rec drug "abuse" fills a void that's not being addressed at the root. In my case, it was always gabaergic kinds of things like alcohol that made me feel 'right'. Unfortunately, I wasn't right. Never had any issues cognitively, but mentally have suffered from depression anxiety some years ago. Those issues have now resolved and I wouldn't want to go back. Its for that reason that I take my health somewhat seriously at the expense of monitoring it a bit too much i.e., assessing my moods, keeping irritability in check etc.
One friend with ADHD who hated concerta did weed and occasionally opiates.
One friend with Bipolar disorder took up smoking tobacco and extremely heavy energy drink usage (3 or 4 energy drinks/day) during depressions because she didn't like the pharm drug (and she just decided that since she didn't like whatever they gave her the first time, she wasn't going back.)
One of the smartest guys I have ever known was extremely ADHD (but claimed that the meds didn't help) and sold his amphetamines to buy cocaine and opiates and would come to school high all the time off of who knows what (but he still pulled off good grades, that fucker)
None of my friends who were mentally healthy or just had anxiety issues ever even touched drugs, or if they did, they smoked pot for the novelty of it once or twice. I grew up with the same people through my entire schooling, and it was like suddenly in high school, the ones who were previously un[der]medicated started to self-med. The best thing you can do is to make sure your daughters get proper mental health care, IMHO.
Other than that, the main cause of drug use was people being poor or coming from broken families, but I trust that isn't a worry for your daughters. Good luck in raising them
Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:54 PM
I am a recreational drug user im very cautious with them though and I dont party hard anymore.I'd be curious to know how many nootropic users were or currently are recreational drug users. Although I don't do anything any more, I used to party hard. Mostly after getting my grad degree but before I found my way into a career setting. Always wondered if I did significant damage to my brain after those years.
Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:11 PM
The 10-19 is not an option, so I can't vote (18 years old male).
I'd be curious to know how many nootropic users were or currently are recreational drug users. Although I don't do anything any more, I used to party hard. Mostly after getting my grad degree but before I found my way into a career setting. Always wondered if I did significant damage to my brain after those years. On rare occasions, I may nearly slur a word or take a moment to find the right one although that has decreased since my use of nootropics just over 18 months ago.
I've never actually DONE recreational drugs because of strict parents, but I have always been interested in them. I think that that is how a lot of us find nootropics (I was looking up amphetamines for SATs when I found it, lol. Worth noting I never took amphs, just racetams), and I think that, if you are willing to take noots, you are probably more willing to take recreational drugs and the other way around.
Another commonality is I would be willing to bet that a disproportionate amount of people here have ADHD or anxiety that makes us isolated, and those contribute to illicit drug use and looking for "solutions" in noots.
That's good to know for me, as I'm a parent of two young girls They're not close to being teens yet but I'd like to figure out more ways in how to dissuade them from use of rec drugs. I should say "abuse" because that's the road taken that always leads to the dead end. I don't think dabbling here or there is harmful, it's the addiction I'm concerned with as well as the age of which such 'dabbling' begins. For me, I rarely did much in high school except drink and do some other things but they were always in moderate fashion despite seeing others ruin their schooling with all kinds of drugs. I knew they wouldn't amount to anything and for the most part, I was right. In some instances, I was totally wrong. One chronic drug abuser from high school ended up getting his diploma and is a millionaire today with a Porsche 911 Turbo and works in the building next to us lol. I started heavier into it much later in life relatively speaking. Needless to say, it took me longer to learn my lesson. Having been abstinent from any recs for 7 years, I've turned to noots to optimize my mental abilities like I use various supplements to augment my physique and help restore it since I train 5-6 days per week. I've got a gut feeling that many rec users turn to noots somewhere along the way in life. I'd also agree that for some people, rec drug "abuse" fills a void that's not being addressed at the root. In my case, it was always gabaergic kinds of things like alcohol that made me feel 'right'. Unfortunately, I wasn't right. Never had any issues cognitively, but mentally have suffered from depression anxiety some years ago. Those issues have now resolved and I wouldn't want to go back. Its for that reason that I take my health somewhat seriously at the expense of monitoring it a bit too much i.e., assessing my moods, keeping irritability in check etc.I'd be curious to know how many nootropic users were or currently are recreational drug users. Although I don't do anything any more, I used to party hard. Mostly after getting my grad degree but before I found my way into a career setting. Always wondered if I did significant damage to my brain after those years. On rare occasions, I may nearly slur a word or take a moment to find the right one although that has decreased since my use of nootropics just over 18 months ago.
Me took, I am also curious how many nootropic users know about tDCS or things like that. Well we will see how this goes.
If you haven't seen these articles, they're pretty interesting. I've read my share on rDCS and it fascinates me. Sorry for derailing the thread but I believe it's important in the sense of what we may see as the new nootropic devices...from curing pain to alleviating depression:: http://www.extremete...oid-painkillers
http://www.extremete...in-boosting-kit
http://www.extremete...ain-stimulation
Please post more because I am fascinated about this too. As a Z Gener and an engineer, I know that my future would be full of increasing competition, and I would be totally appreciated if you contribute resources into my thread because there maybe new opportunity being made by these collaborations.
Thanks
btw I am a memory boosting fanatic who hasn't used forums so much before due to course load, but right now I would like to have active contribution and hopefully use my skills to design things in which people enjoy, I really do. (and I turn down several job offers in order to become an entrepreneurs). since I have an electrical engineering major, I am currently assembling team to develop a tdcs machine that's professional quality, rather than a simple circuit product (no offense to Goflow my friends and I are just in love with this technology)The 10-19 is not an option, so I can't vote (18 years old male).
I'd be curious to know how many nootropic users were or currently are recreational drug users. Although I don't do anything any more, I used to party hard. Mostly after getting my grad degree but before I found my way into a career setting. Always wondered if I did significant damage to my brain after those years. On rare occasions, I may nearly slur a word or take a moment to find the right one although that has decreased since my use of nootropics just over 18 months ago.
I've never actually DONE recreational drugs because of strict parents, but I have always been interested in them. I think that that is how a lot of us find nootropics (I was looking up amphetamines for SATs when I found it, lol. Worth noting I never took amphs, just racetams), and I think that, if you are willing to take noots, you are probably more willing to take recreational drugs and the other way around.
Another commonality is I would be willing to bet that a disproportionate amount of people here have ADHD or anxiety that makes us isolated, and those contribute to illicit drug use and looking for "solutions" in noots.
I have experiences on various stimulants (prescrbed legally) and as far as I can tell. Stimulants are far more effective than nootropics, and it should never be abused under any situation. I do have ADHD and I actually think I can make more friends from saying that. Maybe Canada is different, or maybe it's just that I am handsome .
Aside from the obvious treatments for chronic pain, and mental issues...I think the future lies in cognitive enhancement and especially 'mood' and 'motivation'. There are so many people you see every single day who just look sad or look indifferent and lazy. I'm most interested in something that would promote positivity, pro-social demeanours, and sheer motivation. These are the areas that I also believe will come last.
Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:21 PM
I am a recreational drug user im very cautious with them though and I dont party hard anymore.I'd be curious to know how many nootropic users were or currently are recreational drug users. Although I don't do anything any more, I used to party hard. Mostly after getting my grad degree but before I found my way into a career setting. Always wondered if I did significant damage to my brain after those years.
Im 27 now and started using softer drugs like cannabis and psychedelics and countless more rare drugs at age 18 or 20 out of curiosity.
The only really bad thing I ever did was binge drinking and I dont think anything I tried compares to that in terms of brain damage or brain chemistry-fucking.
Anyways in drug forums nootropics are allways a topic of interest with people who want to reset their brains after longer drug abuse etc or to get their tolerance down or simply as anybody else because they have to study.
In my observations, the main cause for drug use among my friends (and none of them ever used heavy stuff, mostly just weed or tobacco) is lack of treatment for their mental health problems. I don't know if it is the same when it gets into the harder stuff or in the real world, but I would assume that it only gets worse.That's good to know for me, as I'm a parent of two young girls They're not close to being teens yet but I'd like to figure out more ways in how to dissuade them from use of rec drugs. I should say "abuse" because that's the road taken that always leads to the dead end. I don't think dabbling here or there is harmful, it's the addiction I'm concerned with as well as the age of which such 'dabbling' begins. For me, I rarely did much in high school except drink and do some other things but they were always in moderate fashion despite seeing others ruin their schooling with all kinds of drugs. I knew they wouldn't amount to anything and for the most part, I was right. In some instances, I was totally wrong. One chronic drug abuser from high school ended up getting his diploma and is a millionaire today with a Porsche 911 Turbo and works in the building next to us lol. I started heavier into it much later in life relatively speaking. Needless to say, it took me longer to learn my lesson. Having been abstinent from any recs for 7 years, I've turned to noots to optimize my mental abilities like I use various supplements to augment my physique and help restore it since I train 5-6 days per week. I've got a gut feeling that many rec users turn to noots somewhere along the way in life. I'd also agree that for some people, rec drug "abuse" fills a void that's not being addressed at the root. In my case, it was always gabaergic kinds of things like alcohol that made me feel 'right'. Unfortunately, I wasn't right. Never had any issues cognitively, but mentally have suffered from depression anxiety some years ago. Those issues have now resolved and I wouldn't want to go back. Its for that reason that I take my health somewhat seriously at the expense of monitoring it a bit too much i.e., assessing my moods, keeping irritability in check etc.
One friend with ADHD who hated concerta did weed and occasionally opiates.
One friend with Bipolar disorder took up smoking tobacco and extremely heavy energy drink usage (3 or 4 energy drinks/day) during depressions because she didn't like the pharm drug (and she just decided that since she didn't like whatever they gave her the first time, she wasn't going back.)
One of the smartest guys I have ever known was extremely ADHD (but claimed that the meds didn't help) and sold his amphetamines to buy cocaine and opiates and would come to school high all the time off of who knows what (but he still pulled off good grades, that fucker)
None of my friends who were mentally healthy or just had anxiety issues ever even touched drugs, or if they did, they smoked pot for the novelty of it once or twice. I grew up with the same people through my entire schooling, and it was like suddenly in high school, the ones who were previously un[der]medicated started to self-med. The best thing you can do is to make sure your daughters get proper mental health care, IMHO.
Other than that, the main cause of drug use was people being poor or coming from broken families, but I trust that isn't a worry for your daughters. Good luck in raising them
I believe that's correct, at least in part. Socialization and ones' environment plays a role for sure as does a person's genetic predisposition for various mental ailments. It's all cyclical in that one affects the other in various ways. I honestly believe that their is some link between exercise (starting at a young age and being ongoing) and mental health and/or drug use. One of my cop buddies often says, "Sports keep them out of courts" from what he's seen and lived through himself as a lifelong athlete. Of course, this tenet doesn't necessarily apply all the time. It's just another piece of the puzzle.
Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:10 AM
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:07 AM
Edited by Major Legend, 20 March 2013 - 04:12 AM.
Posted 20 March 2013 - 08:33 AM
Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:00 AM
I hate the "cheating" argument that people try to make. My main problem with it is that it revolves around education being viewed as a competition. I understand that competition in education can encourage higher performance, but I don't think the competition is the point of the education. The point is to learn what you need to learn and to be able to function and contribute to society, right? So then if something increases your ability to learn, I don't see how that should be anything other than encouraged. The purpose of the competition is to increase the learning, it isn't the actual purpose of the education.
Also, what about environments where the new normal is above the general population's normal? In top unis where the majority of people have monster IQs, concentration, or memory, aren't I disadvantaged if I have abilities that are better than the general normal but less than the new normal that I would be a part of? In that case, performance enhancement is kinda blurred with medical "cure" used to bring me up to the normal level, isn't it?
It also goes back to the argument of rather someone with naturally high intelligence levels is any more valuable than someone with normal intelligence levels who sacrifices time and money on tutors and studying. As long as they accomplish the same goal, I don't think that either is more valuable or that either is effectively "more smart". So, is someone with higher natural intelligence more valuable than someone who has increased intelligence to the same effective level through drugs? I don't think so.
Major Legend, I am sorry for your accident. I hope you find what you need in order to get to the level you want to be at
Edited by Major Legend, 20 March 2013 - 09:05 AM.
Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:48 AM
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Posted 25 March 2013 - 01:08 AM
Hmm. I'll see what I can come up with. It's weird how the powers that be deem a certain chemical as one that should be tested for or banned. Many times it's quite arbitrary and unfair. People will always cheat. There are still cheaters in the Olympics, it's just a matter of fact that they haven't been caught yet. There are state-sponsored labs always looking for the latest performance enhancing supplement/medicine that can't be detected or, at the very least, other masking agents. The UFC tests for marijuana metabolites in their fighters yet marijuana clearly will not enhance performance. lol. It's not known to and know study has ever found it to be useful for such purposes. BUT, they say it's used as a pain agent. So what!!??? Aleve, Ibuprofen, Tylenol, Aspirin, they're all pain fighting chems. So they suspend a fighter for 1 year if he has marijuana metabolites in his system!?? Pfffffffffft. It's a moral judgement and not a rationale one at that.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:49 AM
I recently had a realization that blew my mind like 10 years after school:
If you were popular or not highly correlated with your parent's income and it seems to be that simple.
Despite not being the smartest kids those kids also happened to have the best grades.
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