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[EastofEden]

Hey Eva Victoria,

If you have time, I am really curious as to how my current sunscreen stands up. I'm really hoping its effective and broad-spectrum, since I have incredibly sensitive skin and this is the only formulation I have found that doesn't give me dermatitis/hives. It's also incredibly moisturizing, great under makeup and mattifying. If you are still working on your sunscreen formulation, I would recommend researching buriti oil - it's the only ingredient I can see that is really different; the fact that I can put the sunscreen on and not have a shiny greasy mess is unbelievably great. Or maybe its the silicones? Perhaps you can weigh in.

Anyways, here is the information:

Cliniderm (by Neostrata) Irritant-Free Gentle Protective Lotion, SPF 45
It's supposed to be "specialized care for sensitive, allergic, reactive or dry skin"

Medicinal Ingredients: Titanium Dioxide USP 6.6%; Zinc Oxide USP 6.1%

Non-medicinal Ingredients:
Aqua, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Alumina, Methicone, Polyhydroxystearic Acid, Triethoxycaprylylsilane, Silica, Propylene Glycol Dicaprylate/Dicaprate, Butylene Glycol Cocoate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ceteareth-20, Mauritia Flexuosa Fruit Oil, Phospholipids, Silica, Glycerin, Dehydroacetic Acid, Benzyl Alcohol, Cetyl Alcohol, Ethylhexylglycerin, Capryloyl Glycine, Tocopherol, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Dehydroxanthan Gum, Rosemary Officinalis (Rosemary leaf extract)

Thanks again!

[Eva Victoria]

Hi EastofEden,

Oils are usually turn to be greasy on the skin and in the heat so I would assume it is the silicones and the silica that controls shine effectively in this sunscreen.
I really think that 6.1% ZnO cannot give efficient UVA protection. 6.6% TiO might give higher SPF values but it cannot contribute to sufficient UVA protection.
I still recommend a sunscreen with at least 10% (micro) ZnO or higher.
But keep in mind that using this sunscreen is still better than not using any!

Hey Eva Victoria,

If you have time, I am really curious as to how my current sunscreen stands up. I'm really hoping its effective and broad-spectrum, since I have incredibly sensitive skin and this is the only formulation I have found that doesn't give me dermatitis/hives. It's also incredibly moisturizing, great under makeup and mattifying. If you are still working on your sunscreen formulation, I would recommend researching buriti oil - it's the only ingredient I can see that is really different; the fact that I can put the sunscreen on and not have a shiny greasy mess is unbelievably great. Or maybe its the silicones? Perhaps you can weigh in.

Anyways, here is the information:

Cliniderm (by Neostrata) Irritant-Free Gentle Protective Lotion, SPF 45
It's supposed to be "specialized care for sensitive, allergic, reactive or dry skin"

Medicinal Ingredients: Titanium Dioxide USP 6.6%; Zinc Oxide USP 6.1%

Non-medicinal Ingredients:
Aqua, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Alumina, Methicone, Polyhydroxystearic Acid, Triethoxycaprylylsilane, Silica, Propylene Glycol Dicaprylate/Dicaprate, Butylene Glycol Cocoate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ceteareth-20, Mauritia Flexuosa Fruit Oil, Phospholipids, Silica, Glycerin, Dehydroacetic Acid, Benzyl Alcohol, Cetyl Alcohol, Ethylhexylglycerin, Capryloyl Glycine, Tocopherol, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Dehydroxanthan Gum, Rosemary Officinalis (Rosemary leaf extract)

Thanks again!

[Ali]

Hi Eva,

What are latest recommendations for 2012? Europe and USA?

Still LRP for europe? How about Niva Light feeling lotion do you still recommend it, its formula seems to have changed!

[Eva Victoria]

Hi Ali,

It is still the same: equaly protecting sunscreen in the UVB and UVa region. UVA protection at least 1/3 of the SPF value. Preferably higher.
Look for sunscreen with Tinosorb M or/and Tinosorb S or/and Uvinul A.
In the US still ZnO that is the most relibale UVA protection (that is photo-stable).

I no longer recommend Nivea Light Feeling Lotion. But sunscreens from LRP are actually better than previously. (They have reformulated their sunscreen line).

Hi Eva,

What are latest recommendations for 2012? Europe and USA?

Still LRP for europe? How about Niva Light feeling lotion do you still recommend it, its formula seems to have changed!

Edited by Eva Victoria, 06 June 2012 - 07:08 PM.

[Vanity Fair]

Hi Eva,

I am new to this forum, i stumbled upon it whilst looking for a reliable sunscreen with the highest and most reliable uva protection.
Unfortunately, in the meantime I have already wasted money on what seemed at the time great choices but after having learned more on the subject, I am not so sure anymore.
This morning I received anothe one and am hoping you could give your verdict on it.

Crystal Clear Protect and Repair.
It claims spf 40 and a uva protection of 20 whatever that means as that is very often indicated with ppd but not on this product.

Ingredients: aqua, methylene bis- benzotriazolyltetramethylbutylphenol, ethylhexyl methoxycinnamate, c15-19 alkane, hexyl laurate, glycerin, steareth-21, butyl metoxydibenzoylmethane, decyl glucoside, biosaccharide gum-1, thermus thermophillus ferment, ammonium acryloyldimethyltaurate/vp copolymer, phenoxythanol, butylparaben, chlophenesin, parfum, tocopheryl acetate, xanthan gum, dehydroacetic acid, methylparaben, disodium edta, hydrolized lupine protein, propylene glycol, citric acid, ethylparaben, isobutylparaben, bht, sodium dehydroacetate, potassium sorbate, limonene, linalool

How photostable is this product and how good is the uva protection?
It would be great if you could find the time to look into this.
Compliments on your fantastic knowledge, I learned quite a lot from your posts.

I am also wondering, although it's a different thread how your own sunscreen is getting along,
I would be very interested in purchasing when it becomes available. Is it still spf 50 and a ppd of 45?

In the meantime I will keep on pestering you because I also use Skinceuticals Ultra Facial Defense spf 50 with meroxyl sx/sl, which I really like.
However, I would like to layer it with the above mentioned product.
Is this possible or would they both become ineffective? Unfortunately I threw away the box of the Skinceuticals sunscreen but will try and go on their website and see if I can retrieve the information so.
One last question, just to make sure, although it probably has been covered or mentioned in another thread about mixing/ layering various types of sunscreen, it is okay to put a ZnO ss on top of chemical ones, as long as the zinc has been coated, am I right?

Many thanks

Edited by Vanity Fair, 07 June 2012 - 09:08 PM.

[Vanity Fair]

Hi Eva,

This is the ingredients list of the skinceuticals ultra facial defense.
Again, if you have a moment could you tell me how this product rates with regards to the uva protection and with what other ss I could layer it?
I 'd be very grateful

Ingredients Aqua,Ethylhexyl methoxycinnamate, Drometrizole trisiloxane, cyclopentasiloxane, Glycerin, Propylene Glycol, titanium dioxide, Alcohol denat, Pentylene glycol, terephtalylidene dicamphor sulphonic acid, triethanolamine, Bis-ethylhexlocphenol, methoxphenyl triazine, stearic acid, potassium cetyl phosphate, tocopherol, sodium cocoyl sarcosinate, phenoxrthanol, PEG-100 stearate, Dimethicone, xanthan gum, tromethamine, caprylyl glycol, cabomer, disodium edta, cetyl alcohol, butylene glycol, butyrospermum parki butter extract/shea butter extract, aluminium hydroxide, glyceryl sterate, D35873/2.

[Vanity Fair]

Hi Eva,

Just been looking at some of your other posts and found out that ppd does not mean everything.
Bearing that in mind, could you also please tell me how broad the skinceuticals and the crystal clear uva protection is? And will it be higher than a non nano sized coated ZnO ss?

Thanks again

[Vanity Fair]

Once again bothering you, this is another one I bought, Supergoop spf 50 antioxidants infused sun daycream.
Active Ingredients:
Octinoxate (Sunscreen) 7.5%, Octocrylene (Sunscreen) 3%, Titanium Dioxide (Sunscreen) 3.3%, Zinc Oxide (Sunscreen) 20%
Inactive Ingredients:
Water, Cyclopentasiloxane, Cyclohexasiloxane, Butylene Glycol, Dimethicone, Methyl Gluceth-20, Ethylenediamine/Hydrogenated Dimer Dilinoleate Copolymer Bis-Di-C14-18 Alkyl Amide, Trimethylsiloxysilicate, PEG-10 Dimethicone, Acrylates/Dimethicone Copolymer, Hydrogenated Polydecene, Phenoxyethanol, Triethoxycaprylylsilane, Polymethylsilsesquioxane, Silica, Sodium Chloride, Xylitol, Disteardimonium Hectorite, Trisodium Ethylenediamine Disuccinate, Tocotrienols, Glycerin, Methylisothiazolinone, Punica Granatum Extract, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract, Euterpe Oleracea Fruit, Extract, Olea Europaea (Olive) Fruit Extract

As you can see, I have been spending lots of money on sunscreen, hope it's not all wasted.
There is one more, which is Suntegrity spf 30 which i really regret buying as it contains uncoated, non nano sized zinc, 20 % but since the zinc is uncoated I am having doubts about it's stability.
Or do you reckon that because it contains 20% it will still provide a good long range uva protection?

Many many thanks,
I am looking forward to your replies so
I hope you will have time to answer my posts and that you are still looking at this thread

[Ali]

Thats great, thanks Eva. While im waiting for the availability of your screen, if you had to recommend a brand which would it be? Im in the UK by the way. Boots Soltan, Nivea, LRP, Garnier?

Hi Ali,

It is still the same: equaly protecting sunscreen in the UVB and UVa region. UVA protection at least 1/3 of the SPF value. Preferably higher.
Look for sunscreen with Tinosorb M or/and Tinosorb S or/and Uvinul A.
In the US still ZnO that is the most relibale UVA protection (that is photo-stable).

I no longer recommend Nivea Light Feeling Lotion. But sunscreens from LRP are actually better than previously. (They have reformulated their sunscreen line).

[Eva Victoria]

Hi VF,
The sunscreen seem to have a good UVA protection (MBBT, AVO). It is definitely not the most photo-stable of the sunscreens you can find. OMC and AVO is extremely unstable when used together. MBBT will have some stabilizing effect but this sunscreen should have been without OMC.

Layering it (or any sunscreen )with another sunscreen can be time consuming
ZnO containing sunscreen when layered should be on top. It will not interfere with any organic sunscreen. Unless you premix it and store uncoated ZnO (TiO2) with AVO, esp. when the particles (or the coating) contain metal ions.

My sunscreen is coming out soon. It is a ZnO and OMC blend with a very elegant semi-matte finish. (There are more posted on this in the "My Sunscreen Launched" thread.

Hi Eva,

I am new to this forum, i stumbled upon it whilst looking for a reliable sunscreen with the highest and most reliable uva protection.
Unfortunately, in the meantime I have already wasted money on what seemed at the time great choices but after having learned more on the subject, I am not so sure anymore.
This morning I received anothe one and am hoping you could give your verdict on it.

Crystal Clear Protect and Repair.
It claims spf 40 and a uva protection of 20 whatever that means as that is very often indicated with ppd but not on this product.

Ingredients: aqua, methylene bis- benzotriazolyltetramethylbutylphenol, ethylhexyl methoxycinnamate, c15-19 alkane, hexyl laurate, glycerin, steareth-21, butyl metoxydibenzoylmethane, decyl glucoside, biosaccharide gum-1, thermus thermophillus ferment, ammonium acryloyldimethyltaurate/vp copolymer, phenoxythanol, butylparaben, chlophenesin, parfum, tocopheryl acetate, xanthan gum, dehydroacetic acid, methylparaben, disodium edta, hydrolized lupine protein, propylene glycol, citric acid, ethylparaben, isobutylparaben, bht, sodium dehydroacetate, potassium sorbate, limonene, linalool

How photostable is this product and how good is the uva protection?
It would be great if you could find the time to look into this.
Compliments on your fantastic knowledge, I learned quite a lot from your posts.

I am also wondering, although it's a different thread how your own sunscreen is getting along,
I would be very interested in purchasing when it becomes available. Is it still spf 50 and a ppd of 45?

In the meantime I will keep on pestering you because I also use Skinceuticals Ultra Facial Defense spf 50 with meroxyl sx/sl, which I really like.
However, I would like to layer it with the above mentioned product.
Is this possible or would they both become ineffective? Unfortunately I threw away the box of the Skinceuticals sunscreen but will try and go on their website and see if I can retrieve the information so.
One last question, just to make sure, although it probably has been covered or mentioned in another thread about mixing/ layering various types of sunscreen, it is okay to put a ZnO ss on top of chemical ones, as long as the zinc has been coated, am I right?

Many thanks

[Eva Victoria]

Hi Eva,

This is the ingredients list of the skinceuticals ultra facial defense.
Again, if you have a moment could you tell me how this product rates with regards to the uva protection and with what other ss I could layer it?
I 'd be very grateful

Ingredients Aqua,Ethylhexyl methoxycinnamate, Drometrizole trisiloxane, cyclopentasiloxane, Glycerin, Propylene Glycol, titanium dioxide, Alcohol denat, Pentylene glycol, terephtalylidene dicamphor sulphonic acid, triethanolamine, Bis-ethylhexlocphenol, methoxphenyl triazine, stearic acid, potassium cetyl phosphate, tocopherol, sodium cocoyl sarcosinate, phenoxrthanol, PEG-100 stearate, Dimethicone, xanthan gum, tromethamine, caprylyl glycol, cabomer, disodium edta, cetyl alcohol, butylene glycol, butyrospermum parki butter extract/shea butter extract, aluminium hydroxide, glyceryl sterate, D35873/2.

It seems to be a photo-stable sunscreen with good UVA protection (BEMT, DT). Again it should contain more antioxidants (as all other L'Oreal manufactured sunscreens).
Alcohol should be not added to skin care products. It is far too drying for the skin and generates oxidants.

[Eva Victoria]

A sunscreen with any of the Tinosorb filters will have a higher PPD than a sunscreen with ZnO (even in higher concentration). However, susncreen with micro-fine ZnO will have a broader UVA I protection than one with Tinosorb S. A sunscreen with 5% Tinosorb M will have a better UVA I protection than a sunscreen with ZnO.
the ideal sunscreen would cover the whole UVB, UVA II and UVA I spectrum.
But most sunscreens today (even EU sunscreens) will have a stronger UVB protection.
To formulate sunscreens that would have the most even protection would mean a sunscreen with lower SPF and just as high PPD. However most people look for high SPF products today which drives the market to produce high SPF formulations (with less PPD; in the EU 1/3).
An ideal sunscreen would have either 25% ZnO (which would result in about SPF 20-22, PPD 22-25) or a susncreen that would have Tinosorb M, a few percent Tinosorb S, Uvinul A (depending on the formulation it could give SPF 30 and PPD 30-35).

The skinceuticals and the crystal clear uva protection depend on the percentage of the actives used. This is not disclosed. It is very difficult to say because 1% Tinosorb S or Tinosorb M will give significantly different values than 3-5% of each.

Hi Eva,

Just been looking at some of your other posts and found out that ppd does not mean everything.
Bearing that in mind, could you also please tell me how broad the skinceuticals and the crystal clear uva protection is? And will it be higher than a non nano sized coated ZnO ss?

Thanks again

[Eva Victoria]

Supergoop spf 50 looks like a nice sunscreen though it is a bit too much biased on the UVB side. It is photo-stable and will provide a decent UVA protection. Although it should include more antioxidants. Triethoxycaprylylsilane is used for coat the ZnO.
Methylisothiazolinone is a formaldehyde donor and it can sensitize your skin.

Once again bothering you, this is another one I bought, Supergoop spf 50 antioxidants infused sun daycream.
Active Ingredients:
Octinoxate (Sunscreen) 7.5%, Octocrylene (Sunscreen) 3%, Titanium Dioxide (Sunscreen) 3.3%, Zinc Oxide (Sunscreen) 20%
Inactive Ingredients:
Water, Cyclopentasiloxane, Cyclohexasiloxane, Butylene Glycol, Dimethicone, Methyl Gluceth-20, Ethylenediamine/Hydrogenated Dimer Dilinoleate Copolymer Bis-Di-C14-18 Alkyl Amide, Trimethylsiloxysilicate, PEG-10 Dimethicone, Acrylates/Dimethicone Copolymer, Hydrogenated Polydecene, Phenoxyethanol, Triethoxycaprylylsilane, Polymethylsilsesquioxane, Silica, Sodium Chloride, Xylitol, Disteardimonium Hectorite, Trisodium Ethylenediamine Disuccinate, Tocotrienols, Glycerin, Methylisothiazolinone, Punica Granatum Extract, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract, Euterpe Oleracea Fruit, Extract, Olea Europaea (Olive) Fruit Extract

As you can see, I have been spending lots of money on sunscreen, hope it's not all wasted.
There is one more, which is Suntegrity spf 30 which i really regret buying as it contains uncoated, non nano sized zinc, 20 % but since the zinc is uncoated I am having doubts about it's stability.
Or do you reckon that because it contains 20% it will still provide a good long range uva protection?

Many many thanks,
I am looking forward to your replies so
I hope you will have time to answer my posts and that you are still looking at this thread

[Eva Victoria]

I would still recommend LRP sunscreens (the new formulations). They have decreased the amount of sunscreens in their formulations and in some sunscreens they even eliminated OCR. This is good news! Less chemicals, still high UVB and (even higher than before) UVA protection. (They use an SPF and PPD booster which does not penetrate the skin). OCR is a free-radical generator in the presence of UVR and can sensitize skin in some individuals. Hence it is a very good thing that LRP no longer uses OCR in some of their sunscreens.
These new sunscreen formulations from LRP get even closer to the ideal sunscreen that should have even (equal) UVB, UVA II and UVA I protection. (they are not at 100% yet but at 66% is still a far better achievement than the EU recommended 33%).

Thats great, thanks Eva. While im waiting for the availability of your screen, if you had to recommend a brand which would it be? Im in the UK by the way. Boots Soltan, Nivea, LRP, Garnier?

[rycsquan]

I would still recommend LRP sunscreens (the new formulations). They have decreased the amount of sunscreens in their formulations and in some sunscreens they even eliminated OCR. This is good news! Less chemicals, still high UVB and (even higher than before) UVA protection. (They use an SPF and PPD booster which does not penetrate the skin). OCR is a free-radical generator in the presence of UVR and can sensitize skin in some individuals. Hence it is a very good thing that LRP no longer uses OCR in some of their sunscreens.
These new sunscreen formulations from LRP get even closer to the ideal sunscreen that should have even (equal) UVB, UVA II and UVA I protection. (they are not at 100% yet but at 66% is still a far better achievement than the EU recommended 33%).

Thats great, thanks Eva. While im waiting for the availability of your screen, if you had to recommend a brand which would it be? Im in the UK by the way. Boots Soltan, Nivea, LRP, Garnier?

Hi Eva,

Regarding the removal of Octocrylene in sunscreen formulation, does the removal makes the overall formulation less stable?

Uriage SPF 50+ (released in 2012, new formulation) only contains Tinosorb M, Avobenzone and ethylhexyl triazone, and i wonder if Avobenzone in this suncreen is considered stable since Tinosorb S, octorylene and other known photostabilizers are not found in the formulation.

[Eva Victoria]

Could you be so kind and post the new ingredient list for this sunscreen please? It most likely contain photo-stabilizing ingredients for AVO.

I would still recommend LRP sunscreens (the new formulations). They have decreased the amount of sunscreens in their formulations and in some sunscreens they even eliminated OCR. This is good news! Less chemicals, still high UVB and (even higher than before) UVA protection. (They use an SPF and PPD booster which does not penetrate the skin). OCR is a free-radical generator in the presence of UVR and can sensitize skin in some individuals. Hence it is a very good thing that LRP no longer uses OCR in some of their sunscreens.
These new sunscreen formulations from LRP get even closer to the ideal sunscreen that should have even (equal) UVB, UVA II and UVA I protection. (they are not at 100% yet but at 66% is still a far better achievement than the EU recommended 33%).

Thats great, thanks Eva. While im waiting for the availability of your screen, if you had to recommend a brand which would it be? Im in the UK by the way. Boots Soltan, Nivea, LRP, Garnier?

Hi Eva,

Regarding the removal of Octocrylene in sunscreen formulation, does the removal makes the overall formulation less stable?

Uriage SPF 50+ (released in 2012, new formulation) only contains Tinosorb M, Avobenzone and ethylhexyl triazone, and i wonder if Avobenzone in this suncreen is considered stable since Tinosorb S, octorylene and other known photostabilizers are not found in the formulation.

[rycsquan]

Could you be so kind and post the new ingredient list for this sunscreen please? It most likely contain photo-stabilizing ingredients for AVO.

I would still recommend LRP sunscreens (the new formulations). They have decreased the amount of sunscreens in their formulations and in some sunscreens they even eliminated OCR. This is good news! Less chemicals, still high UVB and (even higher than before) UVA protection. (They use an SPF and PPD booster which does not penetrate the skin). OCR is a free-radical generator in the presence of UVR and can sensitize skin in some individuals. Hence it is a very good thing that LRP no longer uses OCR in some of their sunscreens.
These new sunscreen formulations from LRP get even closer to the ideal sunscreen that should have even (equal) UVB, UVA II and UVA I protection. (they are not at 100% yet but at 66% is still a far better achievement than the EU recommended 33%).

Thats great, thanks Eva. While im waiting for the availability of your screen, if you had to recommend a brand which would it be? Im in the UK by the way. Boots Soltan, Nivea, LRP, Garnier?

Hi Eva,

Regarding the removal of Octocrylene in sunscreen formulation, does the removal makes the overall formulation less stable?

Uriage SPF 50+ (released in 2012, new formulation) only contains Tinosorb M, Avobenzone and ethylhexyl triazone, and i wonder if Avobenzone in this suncreen is considered stable since Tinosorb S, octorylene and other known photostabilizers are not found in the formulation.

Hi Eva, I have enclosed a photo of the ingredients list for Uriage Hyseac Fluide SPF 50+ (2012 release).
Please thank a look, much appreciated!



Note - I do not see any familar photostabilizers. Please enlighten if there are any stabilizers for Avobenzone and also if there are any SPF boosting ingredients, thank you =)

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Edited by rycsquan, 07 June 2013 - 11:02 AM.

[Eva Victoria]

Agree with you, the only thing that is close to some kind of photo-stabilizer is the Tinosorb M. This sunscreen might achieve high PPD rating, especially in the relation with the SPF, but it is a very poor formulation, lacking in even basic antioxidants.
To be honest, it is very disappointing that more and more EU sunscreen manufacturers are occupied with achieving very high PPD and strive to have the relation between PPD/SPF way less than 1/3 while forgetting one major factor: the overall protection of the costumer's skin!

I also miss SPF and PPD boosters in this formula, that would mean lower use of organic filters.

Could you be so kind and post the new ingredient list for this sunscreen please? It most likely contain photo-stabilizing ingredients for AVO.

I would still recommend LRP sunscreens (the new formulations). They have decreased the amount of sunscreens in their formulations and in some sunscreens they even eliminated OCR. This is good news! Less chemicals, still high UVB and (even higher than before) UVA protection. (They use an SPF and PPD booster which does not penetrate the skin). OCR is a free-radical generator in the presence of UVR and can sensitize skin in some individuals. Hence it is a very good thing that LRP no longer uses OCR in some of their sunscreens.
These new sunscreen formulations from LRP get even closer to the ideal sunscreen that should have even (equal) UVB, UVA II and UVA I protection. (they are not at 100% yet but at 66% is still a far better achievement than the EU recommended 33%).

Thats great, thanks Eva. While im waiting for the availability of your screen, if you had to recommend a brand which would it be? Im in the UK by the way. Boots Soltan, Nivea, LRP, Garnier?

Hi Eva,

Regarding the removal of Octocrylene in sunscreen formulation, does the removal makes the overall formulation less stable?

Uriage SPF 50+ (released in 2012, new formulation) only contains Tinosorb M, Avobenzone and ethylhexyl triazone, and i wonder if Avobenzone in this suncreen is considered stable since Tinosorb S, octorylene and other known photostabilizers are not found in the formulation.

Hi Eva, I have enclosed a photo of the ingredients list for Uriage Hyseac Fluide SPF 50+ (2012 release).
Please thank a look, much appreciated!



Note - I do not see any familar photostabilizers. Please enlighten if there are any stabilizers for Avobenzone and also if there are any SPF boosting ingredients, thank you =)

[happy lemon]

Eva,

Do you think that Tinosrb 3% + Tinosorb S 2% can fully stabilize Avobenzone?

Is it a good sunscreen?


Aqua, Octyl Methoxycinnamate, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Isopropyl Palmitate, Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Glycerin, Ethoxydiglycol, Titanium Dioxide, Potassium Cetyl Phosphate, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine, PVP/Eicosene Copolymer, Hydrogenated Polydecene, Hydroxystearic Acid, Laminaria Ochroleuca Extract, Cetearyl Alcohol, Aluminum Starch Octenylsuccinate, Glyceryl Stearate, Hydroxyethylacrylate/Sodium Acryloyldimethyl Taurate Copolymer, Squalane, Polysorbate 60, Hydrogenated Stearyl Olive Esters, Tocopheryl Acetate, Phenoxyethanol, Propylparaben, Butylparaben, Methylparaben, Ethylparaben, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylates Crosspolymer, Triethanolamine, Disodium Edta, PEG-8, Tocopherol, Ascorbic Acid, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Citric Acid.

[spacey]

I don't have any questions, I just want to post here to recommend a sunscreen for those who are looking for good UV protection.

I have been using Dior's DiorSnow White Reveal UV Shield SPF50+ PA+++ with great results for a rather long time now.

+ It provides excellent broad-spectrum UV protection, active filters are 19%(!!!) ZnO + OCT 7,5%.
+ BEAUTIFUL finish, unlike many sunscreens this sunscreen will actually leave your skin looking plumper and more radiant than before application. It comes in three variations; BB Creme, Transluscent and Pearly White. I have tried tranluscent and pearly white (pictures below).

- The texture is a bit "grainy" and dry, it tends to smudge so you'll have to be thorough when applying so you can get even coverage.
- It's VERY expensive

[rycsquan]

Agree with you, the only thing that is close to some kind of photo-stabilizer is the Tinosorb M. This sunscreen might achieve high PPD rating, especially in the relation with the SPF, but it is a very poor formulation, lacking in even basic antioxidants.
To be honest, it is very disappointing that more and more EU sunscreen manufacturers are occupied with achieving very high PPD and strive to have the relation between PPD/SPF way less than 1/3 while forgetting one major factor: the overall protection of the costumer's skin!

I also miss SPF and PPD boosters in this formula, that would mean lower use of organic filters.

Could you be so kind and post the new ingredient list for this sunscreen please? It most likely contain photo-stabilizing ingredients for AVO.

I would still recommend LRP sunscreens (the new formulations). They have decreased the amount of sunscreens in their formulations and in some sunscreens they even eliminated OCR. This is good news! Less chemicals, still high UVB and (even higher than before) UVA protection. (They use an SPF and PPD booster which does not penetrate the skin). OCR is a free-radical generator in the presence of UVR and can sensitize skin in some individuals. Hence it is a very good thing that LRP no longer uses OCR in some of their sunscreens.
These new sunscreen formulations from LRP get even closer to the ideal sunscreen that should have even (equal) UVB, UVA II and UVA I protection. (they are not at 100% yet but at 66% is still a far better achievement than the EU recommended 33%).

Thats great, thanks Eva. While im waiting for the availability of your screen, if you had to recommend a brand which would it be? Im in the UK by the way. Boots Soltan, Nivea, LRP, Garnier?

Hi Eva,

Regarding the removal of Octocrylene in sunscreen formulation, does the removal makes the overall formulation less stable?

Uriage SPF 50+ (released in 2012, new formulation) only contains Tinosorb M, Avobenzone and ethylhexyl triazone, and i wonder if Avobenzone in this suncreen is considered stable since Tinosorb S, octorylene and other known photostabilizers are not found in the formulation.

Hi Eva, I have enclosed a photo of the ingredients list for Uriage Hyseac Fluide SPF 50+ (2012 release).
Please thank a look, much appreciated!



Note - I do not see any familar photostabilizers. Please enlighten if there are any stabilizers for Avobenzone and also if there are any SPF boosting ingredients, thank you =)

Hi Eva,

Thanks for the quick reply. Can I ask you another question that is related to the Uriage formulation as above?

I have attached the ingredients list picture of Anthelios XL La Roche Posay SPF 50+ PPD 31 Dry Touch Gel Creme (2013 release). Understand that Uriage Hyseac SPF 50+ covers the whole UV Spectrum with high percentages of Tinosorb M but it's avobenzone is unstabilized. Hence, would the Anthelios XL Dry touch gel creme be a better choice of sunscreen even though it is formulated without Tinosorb M? Please take a look at the photo enclose and please share with us your opinions of the 2 mentioned sunscreens.

Thanks!

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[Eva Victoria]

Hi Happy Lemon,

It is a water based sunscreen (O/W) and I do believe that it might be far too watery leaving white stripes on skin after application. I also believe it might also be somewhat drying.

Tinosorb M 3% and Tinosorb S 2% will not be able to stabilize AVO 100%. Esp. not over time.

You have a possibility to purchase Japanese sunscreens with high concentration of ZnO, don't you? Those sunscreens are far more elegant and provide very good UVA protection (even though the PPD number will not be as high as that of sunscreens with Tinosorb or AVO or Uvinul A).

Eva,

Do you think that Tinosrb 3% + Tinosorb S 2% can fully stabilize Avobenzone?

Is it a good sunscreen?


Aqua, Octyl Methoxycinnamate, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Isopropyl Palmitate, Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Glycerin, Ethoxydiglycol, Titanium Dioxide, Potassium Cetyl Phosphate, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine, PVP/Eicosene Copolymer, Hydrogenated Polydecene, Hydroxystearic Acid, Laminaria Ochroleuca Extract, Cetearyl Alcohol, Aluminum Starch Octenylsuccinate, Glyceryl Stearate, Hydroxyethylacrylate/Sodium Acryloyldimethyl Taurate Copolymer, Squalane, Polysorbate 60, Hydrogenated Stearyl Olive Esters, Tocopheryl Acetate, Phenoxyethanol, Propylparaben, Butylparaben, Methylparaben, Ethylparaben, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylates Crosspolymer, Triethanolamine, Disodium Edta, PEG-8, Tocopherol, Ascorbic Acid, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Citric Acid.

[Eva Victoria]

The LRP sunscreen has Mexoryl SX and Mexoryl XL, that will act almost like the Tinosorb filters.
It also has SPF and PPD booster which means there is lower need of UV-filters to achieve the same SPF and PPD.
The LRP sunscreen lucks major antioxidants as well. But again the relation between PPD/SPF is much better than in many other EU sunscreens.

I think the consistency and the finish of these sunscreens should decide which one you are most likely to use every day.

Agree with you, the only thing that is close to some kind of photo-stabilizer is the Tinosorb M. This sunscreen might achieve high PPD rating, especially in the relation with the SPF, but it is a very poor formulation, lacking in even basic antioxidants.
To be honest, it is very disappointing that more and more EU sunscreen manufacturers are occupied with achieving very high PPD and strive to have the relation between PPD/SPF way less than 1/3 while forgetting one major factor: the overall protection of the costumer's skin!

I also miss SPF and PPD boosters in this formula, that would mean lower use of organic filters.

Could you be so kind and post the new ingredient list for this sunscreen please? It most likely contain photo-stabilizing ingredients for AVO.

I would still recommend LRP sunscreens (the new formulations). They have decreased the amount of sunscreens in their formulations and in some sunscreens they even eliminated OCR. This is good news! Less chemicals, still high UVB and (even higher than before) UVA protection. (They use an SPF and PPD booster which does not penetrate the skin). OCR is a free-radical generator in the presence of UVR and can sensitize skin in some individuals. Hence it is a very good thing that LRP no longer uses OCR in some of their sunscreens.
These new sunscreen formulations from LRP get even closer to the ideal sunscreen that should have even (equal) UVB, UVA II and UVA I protection. (they are not at 100% yet but at 66% is still a far better achievement than the EU recommended 33%).

Thats great, thanks Eva. While im waiting for the availability of your screen, if you had to recommend a brand which would it be? Im in the UK by the way. Boots Soltan, Nivea, LRP, Garnier?

Hi Eva,

Regarding the removal of Octocrylene in sunscreen formulation, does the removal makes the overall formulation less stable?

Uriage SPF 50+ (released in 2012, new formulation) only contains Tinosorb M, Avobenzone and ethylhexyl triazone, and i wonder if Avobenzone in this suncreen is considered stable since Tinosorb S, octorylene and other known photostabilizers are not found in the formulation.

Hi Eva, I have enclosed a photo of the ingredients list for Uriage Hyseac Fluide SPF 50+ (2012 release).
Please thank a look, much appreciated!



Note - I do not see any familar photostabilizers. Please enlighten if there are any stabilizers for Avobenzone and also if there are any SPF boosting ingredients, thank you =)

Hi Eva,

Thanks for the quick reply. Can I ask you another question that is related to the Uriage formulation as above?

I have attached the ingredients list picture of Anthelios XL La Roche Posay SPF 50+ PPD 31 Dry Touch Gel Creme (2013 release). Understand that Uriage Hyseac SPF 50+ covers the whole UV Spectrum with high percentages of Tinosorb M but it's avobenzone is unstabilized. Hence, would the Anthelios XL Dry touch gel creme be a better choice of sunscreen even though it is formulated without Tinosorb M? Please take a look at the photo enclose and please share with us your opinions of the 2 mentioned sunscreens.

Thanks!

[Eva Victoria]

The correct list of actives are: 19% ZnO and 7,5% OMC

DIORSNOW UV SHIELD WHITE REVEAL MOISTURIZING UV PROTECTION TRANSLUSCENT SPF 50 cream

Active Ingredients :
Zinc Oxide 19.00 %
Octinoxate (Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate) 7.50 %
Other Ingredients : Cyclopentasiloxane, Aqua (Water), Butylene Glycol, Glycerin, Diphenylsiloxy Phenyl Trimethicone, Peg-9 Polydimethylsiloxyethyl Dimethicone, Polymethylsilsesquioxane, Ci 77891 (Titanium Dioxide), Mica, Ascorbyl Glucoside, Isotridecyl Isononanoate, Dimethicone/Methicone Copolymer, Pentylene Glycol, Tromethamine, Disteardimonium Hectorite, Magnesium Sulfate, Phenoxyethanol, Sorbitan Sesquiisostearate, Betula Alba Juice, Maltooligosyl Glucoside, Hydrogenated Starch Hydrolysate, Silica Dimethyl Silylate, Sodium Citrate, Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Parfum (Fragrance), Dimethicone, Ethylhexylglycerin, Tetrasodium Edta, Tocopherol, Citric Acid, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Alumina, Malva Sylvestris (Mallow) Extract, Citronellol, Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, Potassium Sorbate, Hibiscus Esculentus Fruit Extract, Sodium Chloride, Plankton Extract, Spiraea Ulmaria Extract, Sodium Dna, Bht, Disodium Phosphate, Biotin, Ergothioneine, Potassium Chloride, Potassium Phosphate, Tocopherol

DIORSNOW TRANSLUSCENT SPF 50 Fluid

ACTIVE INGREDIENTS
ZINC OXIDE 19.00 %, OCTINOXATE (ETHYLHEXYL METHOXYCINNAMATE) 7.50 %
OTHER INGREDIENTS
Cyclopentasiloxane, Aqua (Water), Butylene Glycol, Diphenylsiloxy Phenyl Trimethicone, Polymethylsilsesquioxane, Peg-9 Polydimethylsiloxyethyl Dimethicone, Ascorbyl Glucoside, Dimethicone/Methicone Copolymer, Pentylene Glycol, Vinyl Dimethicone/Methicone Silsesquioxane Crosspolymer, Tromethamine, Disteardimonium Hectorite, Magnesium Sulfate, Phenoxyethanol, Sorbitan Sesquiisostearate, Silica Dimethyl Silylate, Sodium Citrate, Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Parfum (Fragrance), Ethylhexylglycerin, Glycerin, Tetrasodium EDTA, Tocopherol, Citric Acid, Hydrolyzed Lupine Protein, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Malva Sylvestris (Mallow) Extract, Citronellol, Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, Nasturtium Officinale Extract, Methylparaben, Sodium Chloride, Butylparaben, Ethylparaben, Plankton Extract, Spiraea Ulmaria Extract, Lonicera Japonica (Honeysuckle) Leaf Extract, Sodium DNA, Isobutylparaben, Propylparaben, BHT, Disodium Phosphate, Ergothioneine, Potassium Chloride, Potassium Phosphate, Tocopherol.

I don't have any questions, I just want to post here to recommend a sunscreen for those who are looking for good UV protection.

I have been using Dior's DiorSnow White Reveal UV Shield SPF50+ PA+++ with great results for a rather long time now.

+ It provides excellent broad-spectrum UV protection, active filters are 19%(!!!) ZnO + OCT 7,5%.
+ BEAUTIFUL finish, unlike many sunscreens this sunscreen will actually leave your skin looking plumper and more radiant than before application. It comes in three variations; BB Creme, Transluscent and Pearly White. I have tried tranluscent and pearly white (pictures below).

- The texture is a bit "grainy" and dry, it tends to smudge so you'll have to be thorough when applying so you can get even coverage.
- It's VERY expensive

Edited by Eva Victoria, 14 June 2013 - 06:51 PM.

[happy lemon]

Hi Happy Lemon,

It is a water based sunscreen (O/W) and I do believe that it might be far too watery leaving white stripes on skin after application. I also believe it might also be somewhat drying.

Tinosorb M 3% and Tinosorb S 2% will not be able to stabilize AVO 100%. Esp. not over time.

You have a possibility to purchase Japanese sunscreens with high concentration of ZnO, don't you? Those sunscreens are far more elegant and provide very good UVA protection (even though the PPD number will not be as high as that of sunscreens with Tinosorb or AVO or Uvinul A).

Hi Eva,

Thanks for the reply!

It is not for me. One of my friends bought some during her trip in Europe and said that the texture was light; unlike other European sunscreen. When I find that it contains AVO, so that is why I need your advice if it is a photostable one.

Have a good weekend!

[Eva Victoria]

I see
I think you are so lucky to be able to have all those fantastic Japanese sunscreens that are light-years ahead of the EU ones when it comes to lightness and elegance! Why bother with one from the EU! There are also several Japanese sunscreens that contain Tinosorb S, Tinosorb M and Uvinul A. And I am convinced, their texture and elegance are far better than that of the European ones.

Hi Happy Lemon,

It is a water based sunscreen (O/W) and I do believe that it might be far too watery leaving white stripes on skin after application. I also believe it might also be somewhat drying.

Tinosorb M 3% and Tinosorb S 2% will not be able to stabilize AVO 100%. Esp. not over time.

You have a possibility to purchase Japanese sunscreens with high concentration of ZnO, don't you? Those sunscreens are far more elegant and provide very good UVA protection (even though the PPD number will not be as high as that of sunscreens with Tinosorb or AVO or Uvinul A).

Hi Eva,

Thanks for the reply!

It is not for me. One of my friends bought some during her trip in Europe and said that the texture was light; unlike other European sunscreen. When I find that it contains AVO, so that is why I need your advice if it is a photostable one.

Have a good weekend!

[rycsquan]

The LRP sunscreen has Mexoryl SX and Mexoryl XL, that will act almost like the Tinosorb filters.
It also has SPF and PPD booster which means there is lower need of UV-filters to achieve the same SPF and PPD.
The LRP sunscreen lucks major antioxidants as well. But again the relation between PPD/SPF is much better than in many other EU sunscreens.

I think the consistency and the finish of these sunscreens should decide which one you are most likely to use every day.

Agree with you, the only thing that is close to some kind of photo-stabilizer is the Tinosorb M. This sunscreen might achieve high PPD rating, especially in the relation with the SPF, but it is a very poor formulation, lacking in even basic antioxidants.
To be honest, it is very disappointing that more and more EU sunscreen manufacturers are occupied with achieving very high PPD and strive to have the relation between PPD/SPF way less than 1/3 while forgetting one major factor: the overall protection of the costumer's skin!

I also miss SPF and PPD boosters in this formula, that would mean lower use of organic filters.

Could you be so kind and post the new ingredient list for this sunscreen please? It most likely contain photo-stabilizing ingredients for AVO.

I would still recommend LRP sunscreens (the new formulations). They have decreased the amount of sunscreens in their formulations and in some sunscreens they even eliminated OCR. This is good news! Less chemicals, still high UVB and (even higher than before) UVA protection. (They use an SPF and PPD booster which does not penetrate the skin). OCR is a free-radical generator in the presence of UVR and can sensitize skin in some individuals. Hence it is a very good thing that LRP no longer uses OCR in some of their sunscreens.
These new sunscreen formulations from LRP get even closer to the ideal sunscreen that should have even (equal) UVB, UVA II and UVA I protection. (they are not at 100% yet but at 66% is still a far better achievement than the EU recommended 33%).

Thats great, thanks Eva. While im waiting for the availability of your screen, if you had to recommend a brand which would it be? Im in the UK by the way. Boots Soltan, Nivea, LRP, Garnier?

Hi Eva,

Regarding the removal of Octocrylene in sunscreen formulation, does the removal makes the overall formulation less stable?

Uriage SPF 50+ (released in 2012, new formulation) only contains Tinosorb M, Avobenzone and ethylhexyl triazone, and i wonder if Avobenzone in this suncreen is considered stable since Tinosorb S, octorylene and other known photostabilizers are not found in the formulation.

Hi Eva, I have enclosed a photo of the ingredients list for Uriage Hyseac Fluide SPF 50+ (2012 release).
Please thank a look, much appreciated!



Note - I do not see any familar photostabilizers. Please enlighten if there are any stabilizers for Avobenzone and also if there are any SPF boosting ingredients, thank you =)

Hi Eva,

Thanks for the quick reply. Can I ask you another question that is related to the Uriage formulation as above?

I have attached the ingredients list picture of Anthelios XL La Roche Posay SPF 50+ PPD 31 Dry Touch Gel Creme (2013 release). Understand that Uriage Hyseac SPF 50+ covers the whole UV Spectrum with high percentages of Tinosorb M but it's avobenzone is unstabilized. Hence, would the Anthelios XL Dry touch gel creme be a better choice of sunscreen even though it is formulated without Tinosorb M? Please take a look at the photo enclose and please share with us your opinions of the 2 mentioned sunscreens.

Thanks!

Hi Eva,

Assuming I do use sunscreens consistently and sufficiently, does the Uriage Hyseac SPF 50+ or the Anthelios Dry Touch Gel Cream SPF 50+ offer better protection? The Uriage has high actives of Tinosorb M which covers the whole UVR but it is not the most photostable sunscreen while the Anthelios has high PPD, very stable, but does not use Tinosorb M and does not cover 380Mn to 40Mm that well. Both appear cosmetically pleasing to me.

[rycsquan]

The LRP sunscreen has Mexoryl SX and Mexoryl XL, that will act almost like the Tinosorb filters.
It also has SPF and PPD booster which means there is lower need of UV-filters to achieve the same SPF and PPD.
The LRP sunscreen lucks major antioxidants as well. But again the relation between PPD/SPF is much better than in many other EU sunscreens.

I think the consistency and the finish of these sunscreens should decide which one you are most likely to use every day.

Agree with you, the only thing that is close to some kind of photo-stabilizer is the Tinosorb M. This sunscreen might achieve high PPD rating, especially in the relation with the SPF, but it is a very poor formulation, lacking in even basic antioxidants.
To be honest, it is very disappointing that more and more EU sunscreen manufacturers are occupied with achieving very high PPD and strive to have the relation between PPD/SPF way less than 1/3 while forgetting one major factor: the overall protection of the costumer's skin!

I also miss SPF and PPD boosters in this formula, that would mean lower use of organic filters.

Could you be so kind and post the new ingredient list for this sunscreen please? It most likely contain photo-stabilizing ingredients for AVO.

I would still recommend LRP sunscreens (the new formulations). They have decreased the amount of sunscreens in their formulations and in some sunscreens they even eliminated OCR. This is good news! Less chemicals, still high UVB and (even higher than before) UVA protection. (They use an SPF and PPD booster which does not penetrate the skin). OCR is a free-radical generator in the presence of UVR and can sensitize skin in some individuals. Hence it is a very good thing that LRP no longer uses OCR in some of their sunscreens.
These new sunscreen formulations from LRP get even closer to the ideal sunscreen that should have even (equal) UVB, UVA II and UVA I protection. (they are not at 100% yet but at 66% is still a far better achievement than the EU recommended 33%).

Thats great, thanks Eva. While im waiting for the availability of your screen, if you had to recommend a brand which would it be? Im in the UK by the way. Boots Soltan, Nivea, LRP, Garnier?

Hi Eva,

Regarding the removal of Octocrylene in sunscreen formulation, does the removal makes the overall formulation less stable?

Uriage SPF 50+ (released in 2012, new formulation) only contains Tinosorb M, Avobenzone and ethylhexyl triazone, and i wonder if Avobenzone in this suncreen is considered stable since Tinosorb S, octorylene and other known photostabilizers are not found in the formulation.

Hi Eva, I have enclosed a photo of the ingredients list for Uriage Hyseac Fluide SPF 50+ (2012 release).
Please thank a look, much appreciated!



Note - I do not see any familar photostabilizers. Please enlighten if there are any stabilizers for Avobenzone and also if there are any SPF boosting ingredients, thank you =)

Hi Eva,

Thanks for the quick reply. Can I ask you another question that is related to the Uriage formulation as above?

I have attached the ingredients list picture of Anthelios XL La Roche Posay SPF 50+ PPD 31 Dry Touch Gel Creme (2013 release). Understand that Uriage Hyseac SPF 50+ covers the whole UV Spectrum with high percentages of Tinosorb M but it's avobenzone is unstabilized. Hence, would the Anthelios XL Dry touch gel creme be a better choice of sunscreen even though it is formulated without Tinosorb M? Please take a look at the photo enclose and please share with us your opinions of the 2 mentioned sunscreens.

Thanks!

Hi Eva,

Assuming I do use sunscreens consistently and sufficiently, does the Uriage Hyseac SPF 50+ or the Anthelios Dry Touch Gel Cream SPF 50+ offer better protection? The Uriage has high actives of Tinosorb M which covers the whole UVR but it is not the most photostable sunscreen while the Anthelios has high PPD, very stable, but does not use Tinosorb M and does not cover 380Mn to 40Mm that well. Both appear cosmetically pleasing to me.

Hi Eva,

Attached is the ingredients list fo Spectraban Sensitive SPF 30 PA++ form Stiefel, which contains Tinosorb M (3rd ingredient on the list). Kindly advise the formulation and if this is considered a good weekend sunscreen. thanks!

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[happy lemon]

Hi Eva,

Attached is the ingredients list fo Spectraban Sensitive SPF 30 PA++ form Stiefel, which contains Tinosorb M (3rd ingredient on the list). Kindly advise the formulation and if this is considered a good weekend sunscreen. thanks!

I know this one:

Octinoxate 9%
Tinosorb M 5% (the old formulation was 10%)

However, the formulation that I have a bit different than yours:

[rycsquan]

Hello happy lemon! What sunscreen do you use for daily activists and what sunscreen do you use for weekend (stay home)? Please share with us, thank you