“serp777: So it must be impossible to determine merit then. I guess humans have never been able to decide who has merit and who doesn't. World leaders and government committees would determine qualitative and or quantitative standards that would apply equally to everyone. And also, who decides whether no one or everyone receives immortality? You make a decision either way, and if you think otherwise then you're a fool. You're a disgusting person, and a genocidal maniac for wanting to condemn the entire world to a death by overpopulation. Typical.
They were communist empires, not atheist empires. You'll never understand what a personality cult is and clearly you have some weird obsession with trying to blame various deaths committed in the name of communism on atheists because you're trying to even the score, I guess, between theists and atheists. However, it’s the same thing as trying to settle the score between theists and a-fairyists. Its stupid. There's no difference.”
They were Communist, Atheist, empires. Atheism has been tried before. Read Marx and Lenin.
“They may have considered themselves an atheist, but they aren't an entire communist nation you woefully ignorant child. Many of the people believed, for example, that Stalin was a supreme being/ deity because Stalin used enough propaganda. This is exactly analogous to North Korea right now where you have a supreme, deified leader. The people believe that their leader is a literal God. This personality cult doesn't resemble atheism whatsoever and neither did the alleged great "atheist" empires like China and the communist Russia. They're simply not compatible with an atheist nation. You continue to deny all of the facts out of sheer ignorance or confirmation bias.”
Sure there were people in the empires who were not Atheists but the empires were officially atheist and so was their leaders. Theists were their special target. Millions died.
“You didn't understand the point. The spread of disease was due to more than just 300 men. There were a number of Christian, Spanish conquistadors who explored all over the Americas looking for gold. There weren't any horses in the new world so travel up and down the Americas was limited and the spread of small pox would have been much slower and far less devastating without constant sea incursions due to Christian greed. And you're forgetting about the centuries after where European Christians enslaved native Americans and African Americans, and brought them to the new world to work on plantations. Millions died. Christians were responsible for all of those deaths because of greed just like how you claim that atheism was responsible for all the deaths in the so called atheist communist empires. The point was to show how terrible your argument was but of course you missed it. I'm sure you'll argue that greed was responsible and not Christianity, to which I'll say communism was responsible, not atheism.”
The small pox epidemic was started by one black slave that had helped the local Indians unload Cortez’s ships. Within a year all the Indians were dead. It spread throughout the Americas decimating the Indian population from the arctic to the antarctic. Small pox spread far faster than did the Spanish and into areas the Spanish never reached. Disease is what killed the majority of the Indians. When Louis and Clark went across America for the first time they encountered many Indians covered with the scars of pox. By the time the whites got to California most of the large Indian population was gone. You stated Native Americans were brought to the new world by Christians. What ignorance, they were already here.
As for Africans the majority of slaves did not come to the United States but were spread all over the world. Slavery was everywhere and it was largely through the influence of Christianity that it was abolished. It was and is evil and is still today. Christians did not kill the Indianans nor were they responsible for the slave trade. As for atheism, you want to draw a moral equivalency between Atheism and Christianity but Christianity condemns slavery. On top of that Atheist empires killed hundreds of millions of people as I evidenced in an earlier post. The reader will have to look at it and judge for themselves. Now you want to establish who lives and dies. I don’t think this the position of Longecity and the Life Extension movement, do you?
“Also you've casually forgotten about all of the thousands of ancient wars fought in the name of religion.”
There have been lots of wars which had nothing to do with Christianity. We are in one right now. I think you have casually forgotten the concept of a just war and defensive war with your blanket statement. Don’t forget all of the thousands of Atheists and non theists, who have been involved in wars.
“A pure blanket assertion. There's no way to calculate exact figures regarding specific death tolls and assigning them as a result of atheism versus communism or greed or revenge or whatever. And you are attempting to defend things done in the name of religion by placing more relative blame to atheism so that religion looks better.”
The reason Atheism looks so bad is because there is no comparison with the evil they have done and the sheer mass numbers of deaths.
"They were Communist, Atheist, empires. Atheism has been tried before. Read Marx and Lenin."
They have personality cults. They were not atheist empires just as North Korea or Japan weren't an atheist nation. Read about personality cults.
"The small pox epidemic was started by one black slave that had helped the local Indians unload Cortez’s ships. Within a year all the Indians were dead. It spread throughout the Americas decimating the Indian population from the arctic to the antarctic. Small pox spread far faster than did the Spanish and into areas the Spanish never reached. Disease is what killed the majority of the Indians. When Louis and Clark went across America for the first time they encountered many Indians covered with the scars of pox. By the time the whites got to California most of the large Indian population was gone. You stated Native Americans were brought to the new world by Christians. What ignorance, they were already here. "
What pure ignorance. You think all the Indians died? You realize there are still Indians today. You know nothing about history even though you pretend you do. Pizarro even still had time to exploit Incans with millions of people after Cortez's exploits and profits were heard about. Jesus you're embarrassing yourself. Small pox and other European diseases were spread by a variety of conquistadors and other explorers.
"Disease is what killed the majority of the Indians."
Its the result of Christian explorer and conquistadors, therefore Christians are to blame just like atheists are blamed for the actions of communist empires (even though they weren't really atheist)."
"You stated Native Americans were brought to the new world by Christians."
No, you're not very intelligent if you can't understand that simple sentence; I specifically said African Americans.
"As for Africans the majority of slaves did not come to the United States but were spread all over the world. Slavery was everywhere and it was largely through the influence of Christianity that it was abolished. It was and is evil and is still today. Christians did not kill the Indianans nor were they responsible for the slave trade. As for atheism, you want to draw a moral equivalency between Atheism and Christianity but Christianity condemns slavery."
Christianity does not condemn slavery at all at least in terms of the bible. Christianity has been forced to adopt secular morals in spite of beliefs. Morals established without religion. Most slave owners in the United States were Christians, so clearly many people did think it supported slavery.
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)"
"The reader will have to look at it and judge for themselves. Now you want to establish who lives and dies. I don’t think this the position of Longecity and the Life Extension movement, do you?"
Man your arguments are so terrible; you keep inventing stuff. By giving people immortality you don't establish who dies; nature and evolution still determines life expectancy.
You would rather establish that everyone gets immortality thereby killing everyone through overpopulation. You would prefer to determine that everyone, or most of us, die. You're a genocidal maniac. Readers will understand that.
"There have been lots of wars which had nothing to do with Christianity. We are in one right now."
Same with your so called wars due to atheism.
"The reason Atheism looks so bad is because there is no comparison with the evil they have done and the sheer mass numbers of deaths."
IT looks just as bad as a-fairyism or a-santaclausism. There's no difference.
Edited by serp777, 13 February 2015 - 02:15 AM.