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#211 Kalliste

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Posted 06 June 2015 - 09:19 AM

I want to take it but I'm 30 so I have become unsure as to what the effect would be on my system?

 

Might it increase my cancer risk by decreasing the SASP at a time were it serves an important biological singaling process that calms rampants cell down a little bit, at a time before it becomes too damaging?

Because my immunesystem can and should take care of them for the time being? I've also taken about 300ml c60. Might that disturb this treatment through it's regulation of ROS. Hmmm


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Posted 06 June 2015 - 01:16 PM

At 30, I think the risk/reward ratio is tilted WAY against you. In fact, I think the value of that ratio is approximately infinity...
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Posted 11 June 2015 - 12:39 AM

There might be a side effect to taking large doses of quercetin.  
 
During my recent experiments with senolytics, I noticed that the skin on my arms and legs becoming increasingly crepey.  Quercetin could be the cause as it is known to down regulate collagen production.  
 
 
 
Four days ago I began up regulating collagen on one arm by applying a cu-peptide.  There is clear improvement.
 

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Posted 29 June 2015 - 06:04 AM

10 days ago, an odd thing happened.  Maybe a coincidence, maybe not.

 

Male, 44. I have a ~9mm, round rubbery dermatofibroma embedded in my inner calf which has been there for the past 10 years.  It grew out of a scarred-over puncture injury.  It has gotten banged, scraped and injured many times since, due to its exposed location. Tough, thick-skinned but benign creature not going anywhere without surgery.

 

So one evening last week, I took:

 

  • 100 mg D
  • 8000 mg Q
  • 4000 mg Longvida curcumin
  • 2400 mg magnolia bark extract (honokiol+magnolol)
  • 1000 mg pterostilbene
  • 20 mg Bioperine

 

Woke up feeling pretty good.  I think one of the other compounds -- perhaps the curcumin? -- reduces the side effects of D. The first time I tried D+Q it was only with a 40mg dose of D and I felt like my bones were made of lead all the next day.

 

The next day, when I took a shower and ran the washcloth over the dermatofibroma, its skin got complete wiped away, causing it to bleed a bit. I mean, it wiped away as if it were a new scab I forgot about, not a tough scar. Normally I could have run steel wool over that thing without any effect. It has subsequently healed, but it has clearly lost maybe 60-70% of its mass deeper down -- far more mass than got wiped away. It no longer pushes into my leg and is much more of a superficial feature.

 

Dermatofibromas aren't composed of either of the cell types from Kirkland's study. But something just happened to this one that should not have been possible.

 

Anyone have an hypothesis?


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Posted 06 July 2015 - 08:47 PM

Anyone have an hypothesis?

 

 

9 typical cases of dermatofibroma or histiocytoma cutis resp. were studied by the aid of histochemical, enzyme histochemical and electron microscopical methods to examine the cellular composition of these lesions. The results suggest an anabolic and katabolic function of cells. Electron microscopically a broad spectrum of patterns of mesenchymal cells was found. Besides defined fibroblast-like and histiocyte-like elements a cell type was detected which was characterized by particular traits, as irregular nuclear outline, abundant rough endoplasmic reticulum, free ribosomes, bundles of filaments with single dense zones, micropinocytotic vesicles and a basement membrane-like material on the outer cell surface. This cell type constitutes the majority of cells in dermatofibroma or histiocytoma cutis resp. In some cells an arrangement of filament bundles resembling that in smooth muscle could be seen. By reason of these findings a certain resemblance to the so-called myofibroblasts can be stated. The variegation of the morphological picture suggests a multipotent precursor cell; the possibility of an origin from pericytes is discussed.

 

 

Pericytes are contractile cells that wrap around the endothelial cells of capillaries and venules throughout the body.[1] Also known as Rouget cells or mural cells, pericytes are embedded in basement membrane where they communicate with endothelial cells of the body's smallest blood vessels by means of both direct physical contact and paracrine signaling

 

It lost it's supporting structure of endothelial or endothelial-like cells maybe?

It is a tumorous growth so I don't find it that surprising a cancer drug can do something to it.



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Posted 08 August 2015 - 06:50 PM

Could someone please suggest a reasonably trustworthy supplier of dasatinib who ships to US? I am planning on taking a one-off dose of D+Q



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Posted 09 August 2015 - 12:12 AM

Has anyone tried using tributyrin in lieu of sodium butyrate?
e.g.https://www.fishersc...nics-3/p-202519
or someother source? Its suposed to have a longer half life

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Posted 05 September 2015 - 03:46 AM

I think this generalization is a bit too sweeping.  Most conventional chemotherapy works through the induction of oxidative stress, to which cancer cells are more susceptible than normal cells.  Anything that helps apoptosis-resistant cells to finally pull the trigger would be a good candidate for testing as a senolytic, since senescent cells are apoptosis-resistant.  This would include some compounds thought of as "anti-cancer", but it probably wouldn't be very many conventional chemotherapeutics.

Following this reasoning makes wonder if mebendazole could be another option for get rid off senescent cells.

The combination with c60 and PQQ apparently worked very well for the dog:
http://www.longecity...r-in-dog/page-2

Despite its possible side effects the drugs looks safe in general, with low toxicity, reduced toxicity to normal cells (like the senolytics in the paper) and with documented cases of treatment periods of years.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC4096024/
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/25376612

If the hypothesis of the thread is really effective, taking PQQ, c60 and Mebendazole looks interesting, with this approach it is not necessary stop using c60 and therefore it is not necessary lose its positive effects. Tha could lead to the use of PQQ, c60, Mebendazole with some sporadic high doses of Quercetin.

The other advantage its the low cost of mebendazole, in my country 6 tablets cost around 1 dollar or less... I don't know if is still available in the US.

I was trying to find some similarities between Dasatinib and Mebendazole, one of the main targets of dasatinib is BCR/abl and Mebendazole interacts with BCR/abl also.

https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Dasatinib
http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3825534/

Spoiler

 

 

Does anyone else know if Mebendazole share some other mechanism of action with Dasatinib? or if this conjeture has some more support?
 


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Posted 05 September 2015 - 04:31 PM

a word of caution

 

I did a second round (4 months after the first) of 100mg D + 20mg Bioperrine + 1800mg Quercitin + Circumin

 

This time I woke in the middle of the night with fever and chills. The fever lasted for 24 hours and I felt really really awful.  3 days later it came back slightly for a few hours (which made no sense to me).  I felt the sides and weirdness for about 5 days after dosage.

 

I don't know what caused the side effects this time, and I was careful to use Tylenol instead of Ibuprofen to reduce the fever, which worked.


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Posted 07 September 2015 - 07:38 PM

a word of caution

 

I did a second round (4 months after the first) of 100mg D + 20mg Bioperrine + 1800mg Quercitin + Circumin

 

This time I woke in the middle of the night with fever and chills. The fever lasted for 24 hours and I felt really really awful.  3 days later it came back slightly for a few hours (which made no sense to me).  I felt the sides and weirdness for about 5 days after dosage.

 

I don't know what caused the side effects this time, and I was careful to use Tylenol instead of Ibuprofen to reduce the fever, which worked.

 

 

The bioperine and curcumin are modifications to the original protocol; I don't know how they would affect things, or whether or not they were involved in the adverse event that occurred.  It sounds like you picked up a virus, but it's good that you reported this, in case anyone else has a similar experience. 
 


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Posted 17 September 2015 - 07:36 PM

 

 

I have tried taking the BodyBio brand of both Sodium  Butyrate and Sodium/Potassium Butyrate.   I cannot digest it and it runs straight through me.   I have heard the same complaint from many users of ketone salts, which are similar ingredients.

 

 

Wheat bran creates more butyrate in the colon.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC1374147/



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Posted 18 September 2015 - 05:01 PM

Has anyone tried using tributyrin in lieu of sodium butyrate?
e.g.https://www.fishersc...nics-3/p-202519
or someother source? Its suposed to have a longer half life

 

These guys have it in bulk and at good prices:

 

https://www.perstorp...d-of-the-future

 

https://www.perstorp...0912_prophorce/

 

But it would seem that you have to turn up at their door with a pig under one arm and a chicken under the other before they will sell you any!

 

ie: They want absolute proof that it will end up in livestock and not the human animal.

It's almost as if Big Pharma has threatened them with death if it does!?

 

ie:  A pig farming member is reqd to get a group buy of this stuff going.



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Posted 18 September 2015 - 07:23 PM

Has anyone tried using tributyrin in lieu of sodium butyrate?
e.g.https://www.fishersc...nics-3/p-202519
or someother source? Its suposed to have a longer half life


These guys have it in bulk and at good prices:

https://www.perstorp...d-of-the-future

https://www.perstorp...0912_prophorce/

But it would seem that you have to turn up at their door with a pig under one arm and a chicken under the other before they will sell you any!

ie: They want absolute proof that it will end up in livestock and not the human animal.
It's almost as if Big Pharma has threatened them with death if it does!?

ie: A pig farming member is reqd to get a group buy of this stuff going.

Maybe nootropics depot would consider carrying it, otherwise we need a friendly farmer

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Posted 18 September 2015 - 07:25 PM

What about sodium butyrate?
http://www.sciencedi...006291X97971588

http://www.nrcresear...9/bcb-2014-0022

lots more....


I have tried taking the BodyBio brand of both Sodium Butyrate and Sodium/Potassium Butyrate. I cannot digest it and it runs straight through me. I have heard the same complaint from many users of ketone salts, which are similar ingredients.

Wheat bran creates more butyrate in the colon.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC1374147/

Interestingly wheat causes me ibs issues whereas sodium butyrate ameriorates it (3-6g a day) with food.

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Posted 19 September 2015 - 12:29 AM

 

 

 

What about sodium butyrate?
http://www.sciencedi...006291X97971588

http://www.nrcresear...9/bcb-2014-0022

lots more....


I have tried taking the BodyBio brand of both Sodium Butyrate and Sodium/Potassium Butyrate. I cannot digest it and it runs straight through me. I have heard the same complaint from many users of ketone salts, which are similar ingredients.

Wheat bran creates more butyrate in the colon.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC1374147/

Interestingly wheat causes me ibs issues whereas sodium butyrate ameriorates it (3-6g a day) with food.

 

 

My GI doesn't do well with wheat either. However, wheat bran causes no problem.
Perhaps the wheat proteins, gluten, etc... cause GI problems for some.



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Posted 24 September 2015 - 10:24 PM

Posted from last weeks New Scientist:

Secret to old age health could lie in purging worn-out cells

A pill to wipe out the senescent cells that are linked to everything from Alzheimer’s to arthritis could let us all get old without the side effects

 

Here comes tEVER wanted to be immortal? Be careful what you wish for. Living forever wouldn’t just mean outliving your friends, family and descendants, there’s also the inconvenient reality of ageing. Beyond the superficial stuff, such as wrinkles and saggy bits, you’d have a host of age-related diseases to contend with. The older we get, the greater our chances of developing cancer, heart disease, Alzheimer’s and almost every other common condition. Meanwhile our immune system wears out and puts up an increasingly weak defence against infections. Who wants to endure millennia of that? No thanks!

But imagine you could live a long life and remain healthy right to the end. That surely would be worth wishing for. Scientists have been seeking ways to achieve this. Now they might just have found one.

The discovery has raised the tantalising possibility that we could strike at every age-related disease with a single blow. “That’s the dream,” says Judith Campisi at the Buck Institute for Research on Aging in Novato, California. “It would revolutionise the way medicine is practised.” Instead of seeing separate specialists for heart disorders, cancer and dementia, a single doctor would take a more holistic, preventive approach to your health.

But there are philosophical and practical implications. Should we treat ageing as an illness that can be seen off with drugs? If we extend our years of good health, will we live longer too? What consequences will that have for individuals and society? And what will we ultimately die of?

The key to this improbable-sounding elixir of youth lies in targeting old, worn-out cells. Young organs are full of cells that divide to replace damaged neighbours. But each only divides a finite number of times. After that they might not die, but instead enter a state called senescence, in which they get bigger and flatter and undergo chemical changes (see diagram). The same fate awaits cells damaged or stressed by free radicals, reactive molecules created when cells metabolise. Senescent cells gradually accumulate as we get older, says Campisi, who studies them. “We’ve seen them in every organ we’ve looked at.” Until a few years ago, researchers weren’t sure what these cells were doing. Now, they believe the cells have a pivotal role in ageing.

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Although they can’t divide, senescent cells do pump out a slew of proteins and other compounds that cause inflammation, an immune response that can damage healthy cells. As we grow older, and more and more of our cells senesce, the inflammation becomes chronic. Pretty much every age-related disease we know of involves inflammation: so far, researchers have found evidence of a link to muscle wasting, cataracts and glaucoma,Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s, osteoporosis and arthritis, heart failure and high blood pressure, cancers, and lung, liver, kidney and skin disorders.

So senescent cells look like trouble. Can we get rid of them? In 2011, Darren Baker at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, and his colleagues did just that. They genetically engineered mice so that senescing cells would carry a tag marking them out as targets for a drug capable of destroying them. Administering the drug every few days to mice from the age of three weeks significantly delayed the onset of age-related conditions such as hunchback and cataracts. These individuals were also stronger in old age than their untreated counterparts, and looked younger with plumper, less wrinkled skin. Baker’s team saw similar benefits when they gave the drug to mice already starting to show the signs of age.

“Treated mice were stronger in old age, and looked younger with plumper, less wrinkled skin”

It’s one thing to delay ageing in rodents, quite another to do it in people. We can’t genetically engineer humans to label their senescent cells. Nor can we turn these cells back into happily dividing ones – as far as anyone knows, senescence is irreversible.

In any case, we wouldn’t want to stop senescence completely because it appears to have some useful functions. Cells that have become cancerous are usually fast-tracked to senescence, stopping them from dividing further to form a tumour, and the compounds they subsequently release may trigger other cells to repair damaged tissue. Senescent cells may also play a part in wound healing and embryo development, says Thomas von Zglinicki at Newcastle University in the UK.

What to do? One alternative is to stop the cells pumping out their toxic chemical brew. This may be possible using existing drugs. Rapamycin, which helps prevent tissue rejection following an organ transplant, is known to expand the lifespan of mice by around 10 per cent. In July, Campisi’s team tested it on samples of senescent human cells and found that it lowered the production of inflammation-causing proteins. There’s a snag here too, though. Rapamycin is useful in organ transplants because it weakens the immune system, but that means it leaves people more susceptible to disease. The drug has also been linked with an increased risk of diabetes.

Some research groups are trying to find safer alternatives. Campisi and her colleagues have formed a company to screen drug databases for compounds that might have the same effect as rapamycin. “We have some hits, but it’s hard to predict what will make it into the clinic, although we’re optimistic,” she says. Meanwhile, a team led by Joan Mannick at Novartis Institutes for BioMedical Research in Cambridge, Massachusetts, has found that a drug similar to rapamycin appears to boost the immune system, rather than weakening it. She doesn’t know if the drug is safer than rapamycin, but is planning further tests to find out.

Pill of youth

This area of research is developing rapidly. But any treatment targeting the inflammatory chemicals pumped out by senescent cells would need to be taken regularly, and that is hard to justify in otherwise healthy people, no matter how safe the drug. A better option might be to periodically clear out senescent cells to limit the damage they cause. “We know from our mouse model that senescent cells accumulate slowly over time,” says Campisi. “You could take a drug to wipe them out every five years, for example.” Such a treatment would probably begin at around the age of 50, which is when rising numbers of senescent cells seem to start causing problems.

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Can the Old Firm be made young again? (Image: Paul Lowe/Panos)

Earlier this year, another team identified two drugs that might do the job. James Kirkland at the Mayo Clinic and his colleagues started by thinking about how senescent cells work. Unlike normal cells, they don’t die, suggesting they possess some kind of survival mechanism. That makes them quite like cancer cells, says Kirkland, except they don’t divide. By exploring known tricks used by cancer cells to defy destruction, his team has identified two cancer drugs that essentially force senescent cells to commit suicide.

Combined, the drugs have impressive effects in rodents. Mice given a single dose of each when they were the equivalent of 80 human years old had better heart function than untreated mice. In mice that had one leg irradiated – which would normally prematurely age it – there was less muscle wasting and, seven months after treatment, they performed better on a treadmill than untreated mice. The fact that a single dose can have such long-lasting effects is particularly promising, says Kirkland. “The drug only stays in the circulation for about 12 hours. A continued presence is not required to have an effect.”

Kirkland’s team is now testing the drugs in monkeys. “The studies aren’t published yet, but we have an indication that we’re able to selectively kill senescent cells in monkeys as well,” he says. Human clinical trials are on the drawing board. The first candidates will be people with fatal or severe disorders linked to senescence, such as some lung and liver diseases. The drugs could also be injected into joints affected by osteoarthritis, where senescent cells are known to gather.

This approach might even be used to protect against age-related cancers, according to Campisi: although senescence stops cancers in some cases, in others senescent cells can actually promote the spread of tumours. Ultimately, Kirkland hopes his treatments might stave off frailty more generally, and keep older people living at home independently for longer. “A lot of 85-year-olds have five or six different conditions – diabetes, mild cognitive impairment, heart problems and osteoarthritis, say – and they’re on 20 different drugs,” he says. “The question is: can we use these agents to alleviate multiple conditions with one drug?”

The reality is likely to be more complicated. Even if we could rid ourselves of these damaging cells simply by taking a pill every few years, there may be unintended consequences that will only become apparent when such treatments are routine. And that’s not all. “I don’t think anyone believes that all of ageing is caused by senescent cells,” says Campisi. Even enthusiasts for this line of work acknowledge that tackling ageing – or at least the debilitating diseases that accompany it – will require a multi-pronged approach. What form this should take is still far from clear. “We don’t know much about the other factors,” Campisi admits.

Everyday painkillers that target inflammation may offer some benefits. Restricting food intake also looks promising: drastically cutting down on calories extends the lifespans of worms and mice, although it doesn’t seem to have the same effect in monkeys, and the jury is still out when it comes to humans.

Of course, simple lifestyle choices such as taking regular exercise and eating plenty of fruit and vegetables can help us age healthily. But despite knowing this, many of us fail to muster the will power required to change our ways. Still, Kirkland is optimistic. “I imagine there will be a combination of lifestyle interventions and drugs that will add substantially to the healthspan,” he says.

If so, that will have wider implications. As well as improving health, the two drugs his team used seem to increase lifespan, at least in mice and monkeys. While this may sound enticing, there is debate among researchers as to whether helping people live longer is a worthy goal. “To refuse to accept aging is a sign of weakness of character, of egotism,” David Gems, who researches ageing at University College London, wrote recently. “One should endure aging and bow out gracefully with stoicism and dignity in accordance with nature’s wishes.” Others argue from an ecological perspective, pointing out that the current human population of more than 7 billion is already unsustainable.

But Kirkland is not trying to extend life for its own sake. His goal, he says, is to stave off age-related diseases – if we live longer as a result, then that’s an added benefit. Gems, at least, is persuaded by the preventive approach. “I’m really excited about the idea of targeting senescent cells as a treatment for ageing,” he says. “There is nothing wrong with people living longer as a result of better health.” Even Paul Ehrlich, a demographer at Stanford University in California who famously warned of the perils overpopulation poses to the environment, approves. “Programmes that let all people live the healthiest lives possible to the end are very desirable,” he says, although they should be accompanied by incentives to lower birth rates and consumption.

That still leaves the intriguing questions of how much longer we might live, and what we will eventually die of. “It’s hard to know,” says Kirkland. Some clues come from exceptionally long-lived people. One such person was Hendrikje van Andel-Schipper, a Dutch woman who enjoyed good health and cognition almost to her death in 2005, aged 115.When researchers analysed samples of her blood last year, they found that the stem cell supply from which all blood cells originate was almost exhausted. A healthy young person might have 1500 such cells, which are used up over the years. She appeared to be down to her last two. All of our tissues rely on stem cells for regeneration, and those that undergo rapid renewal, such as blood, skin and guts, might be the first to wear out. “Without blood you’d become anaemic and die,” says Henne Holstege at VU University Medical Center in Amsterdam, who led the research.

This suggests that even if we could regularly clear senescent cells from our bodies, there is a natural limit to lifespan. Perhaps that’s no bad thing. On the other hand, it’s quite exciting to think that our attempts to defy ageing could now go more than skin deep. “We’re really starting to understand what’s going on,” says von Zglinicki. “We are getting to the stage where, for the first time, people will be able to realistically consider the prospect of anti-ageing solutions.”


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Posted 25 September 2015 - 12:39 AM

The article is more interesting for the open prejudice against even the remote possibility of lifespan extension.

It's always nice when a civil servant tells us we're egotistical if we want him to actually do his job while he's working on "our" (in this case the British people's sterling) dollar to top it off.



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It's just autopaghy
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Posted 25 September 2015 - 01:49 AM

The article is more interesting for the open prejudice against even the remote possibility of lifespan extension.

It's always nice when a civil servant tells us we're egotistical if we want him to actually do his job while he's working on "our" (in this case the British people's sterling) dollar to top it off.

 

But he also said “There is nothing wrong with people living longer as a result of better health.”  So his thinking is a bit muddled...

 

It's just autopaghy

 

This is different than autophagy.  Senescent cells are death-resistant.  They should have committed suicide via apoptosis, but something in the process failed.  Dasatinib and Quercetin help the apoptosis pathways function correctly so the senescent cell can die like it should have done earlier.


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Posted 14 December 2015 - 05:36 PM

Mmm 27 y old rat reporting...well my response won't be of much use since I think I had some virus or food poisoning on the way but still decided to take a dose.
Had huuuge pain in the head connected to this feeling unwell in my stomach and it was quite bad for around a day.

I think that I am breathing a little bit better, but nothing remarkable to report from this side since I am non smoker. 1 day after that I've taken C60-00.

Wasn't expecting anything really and so far it's maybe slightly better overall. No skin changes observed(as it should be).

 

I will do next dose this weekend if I feel fine.

 



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Posted 14 December 2015 - 07:15 PM

Signaling from dysfunctional mitochondria induces a distinct type of senescence
 
Finding provides alternative explanation for the free-radical theory of aging and suggests new role for mitochondria in affecting physiology
 
Date:
December 10, 2015
 
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Summary:
Researchers need to stop thinking of cellular senescence, now accepted as an important driver of aging, as a single phenotype stemming from genotoxic stress. Research reveals that signaling from dysfunctional mitochondria also induces senescence -- and that the senescent cells secrete a distinctly different 'stew' of biologically active factors in a process unrelated to the damaging free radicals that are created in mitochondria as part of oxygen metabolism.
 
 
 


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Posted 15 December 2015 - 04:23 AM

Mmm 27 y old rat reporting...well my response won't be of much use since I think I had some virus or food poisoning on the way but still decided to take a dose.
Had huuuge pain in the head connected to this feeling unwell in my stomach and it was quite bad for around a day.

I think that I am breathing a little bit better, but nothing remarkable to report from this side since I am non smoker. 1 day after that I've taken C60-00.

Wasn't expecting anything really and so far it's maybe slightly better overall. No skin changes observed(as it should be).

 

I will do next dose this weekend if I feel fine.

 

 

So many confounders here. What was the dosage of D+Q that you have taken anyways?


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Posted 15 December 2015 - 05:32 PM

Eyeballed 100mg/1g



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Posted 15 December 2015 - 05:45 PM

Toxicities
Neutropenia and myelosuppression were common toxic effects. Fifteen patients (of 84, i.e. 18%) in the above-mentioned study developed pleural effusions, which were felt to be a side effect of dasatinib. Some of these patients required thoracentesis or pleurodesis to treat the effusions. Other adverse events included mild to moderate diarrhea, peripheral edema, and headache. A small number of patients developed abnormal liver function tests which returned to normal without dose adjustments. Mild hypocalcemia was also noted, but did not appear to cause any significant problems.Several cases of pulmonary arterial hypertension (PAH) were found in patients treated with dasatinib.[7]

 

Adverse effects
On October 11, 2011 the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) announced that dasatinib may increase the risk of a rare but serious condition in which there is abnormally high blood pressure in the arteries of the lungs (pulmonary hypertension, PAH). Symptoms of PAH may include shortness of breath, fatigue, and swelling of the body (such as the ankles and legs). In reported cases, patients developed PAH after starting dasatinib, including after more than one year of treatment.

Information about this risk has been added to the Warnings and Precautions section of the Sprycel drug label.[8]

 

https://en.wikipedia...nib#cite_note-7

 

Thoughts?

 



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Posted 16 December 2015 - 05:07 AM

Here's a post about a new senolytic drug, ABT-263.  This is a bcl-2 inhibitor called navitoclax.  It was trialed as an anti-cancer agent, and is not very potent by itself, but shows a lot of promise in combination with other agents.  It's reasonably well-tolerated as a single agent.  Under repeated dosing, the most common side effect was thrombocytopenia (lowered platelet count).


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Posted 16 December 2015 - 05:52 PM

Here's a post about a new senolytic drug, ABT-263.  This is a bcl-2 inhibitor called navitoclax.  It was trialed as an anti-cancer agent, and is not very potent by itself, but shows a lot of promise in combination with other agents.  It's reasonably well-tolerated as a single agent.  Under repeated dosing, the most common side effect was thrombocytopenia (lowered platelet count).

 

You beat me to it Niner.   :)

Just to add:  ABT-263 is also known as Navitoclax.
 

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Soooo....  where to get this!?   :)


Edited by Logic, 16 December 2015 - 05:57 PM.


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Posted 23 December 2015 - 06:34 PM

Just in case you missed it, LEF run an article on their winter edition 2015-2016. They also came up with a quercetin dosing suggestion but after all I read in this thread about absorption and HED I wonder how much that is sound and effective.

 

Sweep Away Senile Cells

http://www.lifeexten...e-cells/page-01

 

 

Quercetin is a low-cost dietary supplement that has health-promoting properties in the heart, brain, and other systems. Doses of 150 mg per day have demonstrated significant benefits in human studies and might be a good maintenance dose. Furthermore, higher dose amounts of 500 to 1,000 mg per day are generally recognized as safe based upon current data, especially over the short term, and thus higher dosing in this range may be considered based upon individual health needs. At the current time, little safety evidence exists to confidently support chronic daily dosing higher than 1,000 mg.

A prudent course to follow might be to take 500-800 mg per day of quercetin for three months to purge accumulated senile cells and then stay with a maintenance dose of 150 mg each day thereafter.

Note: For those individuals taking warfarin, please check with your physician if concomitantly taking high doses of quercetin.

 


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Posted 31 December 2015 - 09:46 AM

In animal testing one dose lasted weeks. So you probably only need a weekly dasitanib and quercetin hit. Possibly even less frequently

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 10:23 AM

I suspect one dose a week might be too often. Once every 3 months for humans is probably more like it. Anyone tried Navitoclax yet? I'm always baffled by how little this community reacts to such promising news as these while a thread about reservatrol can get a dozen posts per day.


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#240 Kalliste

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 10:36 AM

I'm always blown away by the list-prices for cancer substances. 60 bucks for 10mg or so of Navitoclax :|o


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