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Posted 15 July 2008 - 06:24 AM
Yes Yes. I am afraid you might have hippies. You better see someone about that.
Posted 15 July 2008 - 07:00 AM
Posted 15 July 2008 - 07:00 AM
Posted 15 July 2008 - 04:24 PM
If gemstones had any real scientific backing they would be used in every clinic and hospital in the world. Since gemstones have been around as long as humans have, you would think the health benefits would be obvious, but they are not.
Posted 15 July 2008 - 05:08 PM
Posted 15 July 2008 - 07:19 PM
Posted 15 July 2008 - 08:44 PM
The main problem with acceptibility has been that there is currently no machine that I am aware of besides the human body that can measure the energy that they produce.
Edited by Traclo, 15 July 2008 - 08:46 PM.
Posted 15 July 2008 - 09:47 PM
The main problem with acceptibility has been that there is currently no machine that I am aware of besides the human body that can measure the energy that they produce.
Hmm.
First if there is no machine that can measures something, but somehow you can 'feel' it, then the simplest answer is there is really nothing at all. It's just in your head.
Second what is this about producing energy? I certainly hope you don't mean that in the thermodynamically impossible way.
Thirdly, saying that some gemstones are too powerful to wear is inane because if that were true you'd think people would've noticed by now and started investigating?
Also what is this about spherical being better for mega gemstone therapy? Care to offer a non crazy possible explanation?
Anyway,
I just hate people believing in things that will no doubt set back the progress (wasted money) and credibility of our cause. Bring me studies or take this somewhere else.
Rashid A. Buttar, D.O., FAAPM, FACAM, FAAIM
Medical Director, Advanced Concepts in Medicine
I am looking for answers just like all of you. And I will continue to try and discover why spherical gemstones have the effect they do on me. I have also limited use with crystals. If you want to try and experiment, put a quartz crystal in a glass of drinking water for an hour. Drink this water daily for a few days. Then stop drinking it. Notice Anything?
And to answer the question about spherical gems versus crystals. The crystals apparently focus its vibration in a pointed way, just as it shape implies. It has a base and a point. Whereas the sphere provides a nuetral (undirected) vibration.
Posted 15 July 2008 - 10:35 PM
Posted 16 July 2008 - 12:35 AM
But have you thought how this might work? We know that there is such a thing as color therapy. And if you would look up the impact of light on the body and its many spectrums you would find the effects are substantial.
There was a study, for instance, of rats with purposely damaged retinas exposed to infrared light, that in nearly every case were 90% healed.
Also, we all know the presence of different fields have various effects. We know that at an atomic level every thing is vibrating, and colors are just vibrations of different frequencies.
We also know that there is such a thing as sympathetic resonance. You may see where I am going with this, but if a field is vibrating (gemstone in this case) in near proximity to the body long enough, perhaps the body responds by resonating. I believe the body is sensitive to certain energies that cannot be measured with our current science, isn't this true of dreams? Do you know a machine that can record dreams besides our mind?
I appreciate your skepticism. Yet if you want to live forever, you will probably run into people from other planets eventually (even Einstein said, "It is scarcely possible to think that life on other planets does not exist") and discover technologies that don't make sense. We have much to learn. "Imagination is more important than knowledge" he also said. I read that Einstein got a lot of his ideas by imagining, not by necessarily always looking at studies, because a lot of what he realized was new to the world at the time. So perhaps in this case, it may be appropriate, since this is very new ground. And finally, here is a quote from a medical director from www.gemisphere.com : I use Green Tourmaline and other gems on a regular basis. The bottom line is that the gemstones do make a difference--although sometimes I have a difficult time believing it myself!
Rashid A. Buttar, D.O., FAAPM, FACAM, FAAIM
Medical Director, Advanced Concepts in Medicine
I am looking for answers just like all of you. And I will continue to try and discover why spherical gemstones have the effect they do on me. I have also limited use with crystals. If you want to try and experiment, put a quartz crystal in a glass of drinking water for an hour. Drink this water daily for a few days. Then stop drinking it. Notice Anything?
Posted 16 July 2008 - 02:37 AM
Posted 16 July 2008 - 07:01 AM
Posted 16 July 2008 - 07:10 AM
Great show!
Posted 16 July 2008 - 07:14 AM
But have you thought how this might work? We know that there is such a thing as color therapy. And if you would look up the impact of light on the body and its many spectrums you would find the effects are substantial.
Electromagnetic radiation does affect the body, but in the case of visible light rays, I'd wonder if it isn't all psycological. It might not be, but even then, white light carries all of the visible wave lengths so it wouldn't matter whether you carry a colored object.There was a study, for instance, of rats with purposely damaged retinas exposed to infrared light, that in nearly every case were 90% healed.
How well did the rats heal without the light?Also, we all know the presence of different fields have various effects. We know that at an atomic level every thing is vibrating, and colors are just vibrations of different frequencies.
Not exactly. Everything does vibrate but that's from heat not light waves. Infrared light can be converted into heat, but that's about it.We also know that there is such a thing as sympathetic resonance. You may see where I am going with this, but if a field is vibrating (gemstone in this case) in near proximity to the body long enough, perhaps the body responds by resonating. I believe the body is sensitive to certain energies that cannot be measured with our current science, isn't this true of dreams? Do you know a machine that can record dreams besides our mind?
A functional MRI could record your brain activity while you dream (though it would be pretty hard to fall asleep in the machine). Due to our limited understanding of the human brain, you can't interpret the brain activity but you can record it.I appreciate your skepticism. Yet if you want to live forever, you will probably run into people from other planets eventually (even Einstein said, "It is scarcely possible to think that life on other planets does not exist") and discover technologies that don't make sense. We have much to learn. "Imagination is more important than knowledge" he also said. I read that Einstein got a lot of his ideas by imagining, not by necessarily always looking at studies, because a lot of what he realized was new to the world at the time. So perhaps in this case, it may be appropriate, since this is very new ground. And finally, here is a quote from a medical director from www.gemisphere.com : I use Green Tourmaline and other gems on a regular basis. The bottom line is that the gemstones do make a difference--although sometimes I have a difficult time believing it myself!
Rashid A. Buttar, D.O., FAAPM, FACAM, FAAIM
Medical Director, Advanced Concepts in Medicine
There are certainly things we don't know about the universe. But we have to look at the evidence to see what is and isn't likely. Anything's possible but that doesn't make it plausible. So with the lack of supporting evidence, it's more likely that the gem stones are just placebos.I am looking for answers just like all of you. And I will continue to try and discover why spherical gemstones have the effect they do on me. I have also limited use with crystals. If you want to try and experiment, put a quartz crystal in a glass of drinking water for an hour. Drink this water daily for a few days. Then stop drinking it. Notice Anything?
Again, there's no reason to think that a quartz crystal would affect the water. However, if you wanted to do a controlled study you would have to do it so that the person wouldn't know whether their water was exposed to quartz or not. That way, you could control for the placebo effect.
Posted 16 July 2008 - 07:57 AM
Posted 16 July 2008 - 01:20 PM
I wouldn't like you to leave Imminst thinking we're just a bunch of smug, sniggering geeks.
Posted 16 July 2008 - 03:24 PM
Edited by zoolander, 16 July 2008 - 03:25 PM.
Posted 16 July 2008 - 06:08 PM
I have heard of one case where an athlete was banned from their sport for gemstone doping. I can't quite find the reference at the moment.
They not only used rocks I think they smoked rocks as well....Josh Rogan
Posted 16 July 2008 - 08:12 PM
Just as a quick aside, I would like to complement you orangeray21 on the way that you have conducted yourself on this forum, given the overt sarcasm that has been put your way. I don't go along with your ideas but that doesn't make you a bad person and I wouldn't like you to leave Imminst thinking we're just a bunch of smug, sniggering geeks.
Heiner Fruehauf, Ph.D., L.Ac.
Chair, Chinese Medicine Department
National College of Naturopathic Medicine
Edited by Mind, 16 July 2008 - 09:10 PM.
Posted 16 July 2008 - 09:09 PM
Posted 16 July 2008 - 10:07 PM
I wanted to answer cyborgdreamer about the rat study. Unfortunately, I can't find it, I'll keep trying. But I did find this regarding infrared light healing. Thought you may want to take a look: http://www.medicalne...icles/95334.php
Edited by cyborgdreamer, 16 July 2008 - 10:20 PM.
Posted 16 July 2008 - 10:20 PM
Just as a quick aside, I would like to complement you orangeray21 on the way that you have conducted yourself on this forum, given the overt sarcasm that has been put your way. I don't go along with your ideas but that doesn't make you a bad person and I wouldn't like you to leave Imminst thinking we're just a bunch of smug, sniggering geeks.
Thank you Sentinel. Today I found out that in England gemstone therapy is covered by health insurance. Ofcourse I don't know how much credence this has, as they may cover all alternative treatments. Still looking. I also requested from gemisphere their most complete scientific studies, etc. to date. I should have whatever they have in my hands by early next week. I'll leave you all with this, a quote that is not an official study with placebo controls, nonetheless this doctor has seen results in his department:
"From the Chinese medicine perspective, it is not surprising that therapeutic gemstones have such powerful effects. For me, holistic medicine is vibrational medicine--meaning that any therapeutic substance is effective primarily because of its vibration. I have seen the gemstones produce a very strong vibrational response."Heiner Fruehauf, Ph.D., L.Ac.
Chair, Chinese Medicine Department
National College of Naturopathic Medicine
Posted 17 July 2008 - 02:41 AM
But I can tell you, there are some gemstones such as aquamarine and green tourmaline that I can only wear for a short time because they are too powerful for me. On the other hand orange carnelian makes me feel good and I wear it everyday.
Posted 17 July 2008 - 06:01 AM
Just as a quick aside, I would like to complement you orangeray21 on the way that you have conducted yourself on this forum, given the overt sarcasm that has been put your way. I don't go along with your ideas but that doesn't make you a bad person and I wouldn't like you to leave Imminst thinking we're just a bunch of smug, sniggering geeks.
Thank you Sentinel. Today I found out that in England gemstone therapy is covered by health insurance. Ofcourse I don't know how much credence this has, as they may cover all alternative treatments. Still looking. I also requested from gemisphere their most complete scientific studies, etc. to date. I should have whatever they have in my hands by early next week. I'll leave you all with this, a quote that is not an official study with placebo controls, nonetheless this doctor has seen results in his department:
"From the Chinese medicine perspective, it is not surprising that therapeutic gemstones have such powerful effects. For me, holistic medicine is vibrational medicine--meaning that any therapeutic substance is effective primarily because of its vibration. I have seen the gemstones produce a very strong vibrational response."Heiner Fruehauf, Ph.D., L.Ac.
Chair, Chinese Medicine Department
National College of Naturopathic Medicine
But the gemstones really don't vibrate more than any other piece of matter.
Posted 17 July 2008 - 07:50 AM
I wanted to answer cyborgdreamer about the rat study. Unfortunately, I can't find it, I'll keep trying. But I did find this regarding infrared light healing. Thought you may want to take a look: http://www.medicalne...icles/95334.php
That's interesting but they didn't mention the science behind their claim.
Edited by orangeray21, 17 July 2008 - 07:52 AM.
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