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[kismet]

I'm not sure how to read your statement - do you worry about IP6 & absorption? Ironically, very ironically, IP6 may even <i>increase</i> the absorption of anthocyanins. I'm not sure about other polyphenols or catechins, though. I think your late to the party with the IP6, but better than never.

J Agric Food Chem. 2007 Mar 21;55(6):2489-96. Epub 2007 Feb 24.
Enhanced absorption of anthocyanins after oral administration of phytic acid in rats and humans.
Matsumoto H, Ito K, Yonekura K, Tsuda T, Ichiyanagi T, Hirayama M, Konishi T.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:42 AM.

[Athanasios]

Magnesium and lithium compete at receptor sites. Might want to take them apart. Also, isn't lactoferrin best absorbed before meals??

I have no idea. I will go ahead and take them apart. Thanks.

I am not too worried on max absorption with lactoferrin but I will try to look it up and make changes accordingly. Thanks again.

Side note: I am dropping curcumin. I wanted a ~50mg dosage.

Edited by cnorwood, 29 September 2009 - 10:22 PM.

[health_nutty]

Have you dropped benfotiamine?

[Athanasios]

Yeah.

I am not sure what to think of it. Instead, I have gone the route of keeping my postprandial blood glucose low. Like you are cutting back, I am trying to use supps that have good risk reward, have been widely used in one form or another for an extended period by a large group, and take them at doses similar to levels that can be achieved without modern supplements. A possible exception to this is my bet on the catechins. As for resveratrol, I am thinking the amount absorbed in the mouth of red wine lushes is larger than the intestinal absorption (If anyone knows of a study looking for this, please speak up). Also note, I am dropping the large curcumin dose for this very reason (although I may open up some capsules and place a small bit in a shake now and then).

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:42 AM.

[meursault]

In light of the article that niner posted about orotate safety concerns, perhaps you should consider switching to another form of lithium like lithium aspartate.

Edited by czukles, 04 October 2009 - 07:49 PM.

[pycnogenol]

Solaray puts out Lithium Aspartate.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:43 AM.

[Athanasios]

Thanks y'all. I will go ahead and make the switch.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:44 AM.

[meursault]

I actually do not recommend lithium aspartate. After closer reading, it appears that aspartate is an excitotoxin.

Edited by czukles, 07 October 2009 - 05:05 PM.

[FunkOdyssey]

There is only 115mg of orotic acid in a 5mg elemental lithium orotate capsule.

Edited by FunkOdyssey, 07 October 2009 - 06:51 PM.

[sentrysnipe]

Wow. IP6 AND Lactoferrin? How's your ferritin levels? Are you losing some hair yet?

BTW, if you are taking both for cancer prevention, I think taking them along with Vit C is counterproductive.

[stephen_b]

Wow. IP6 AND Lactoferrin? How's your ferritin levels? Are you losing some hair yet?

Snarky, and probably wrong. It may come down to how iron saturated the lactoferrin is.

From Oral administration of lactoferrin increases hemoglobin and total serum iron in pregnant women,

In our study, 300 women at different trimesters of pregnancy were enrolled in a trial of oral administration of ferrous sulfate (520 mg once a day) or 30% iron-saturated bovine lactoferrin (bLf) (100 mg twice a day). Pregnant women refusing treatment represented the control group. In this group hemoglobin and total serum iron values measured after 30 d without treatment decreased significantly, especially in women at 18–31 weeks of pregnancy. In contrast, after 30 d of oral administration of bLf, hemoglobin and total serum iron values increased and to a greater extent than those observed in women treated orally for 30 d with ferrous sulfate, independently of the trimester of pregnancy. Unlike ferrous sulfate, bLf did not result in any side effects. These findings lead us to hypothesize that lactoferrin could influence iron homeostasis directly or through other proteins involved in iron transport out of the intestinal cells into the blood.

On the other hand, iron depleted lactoferrin (like that sold by LEF) kills Candida and blocks biofilm development of pathogens by chelating iron.

StephenB

[Athanasios]

Adding 1 Wine RX on eat days, after seeing the product in Michaels 'state of my pills' post.

[health_nutty]

Why are you taking lithium?

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:46 AM.

[sdxl]

Neuroprotection, I assume. That's why I take it.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:46 AM.

[Athanasios]

Yeah, neuroprotection.

Also do a search to find threads here on Imminst.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:47 AM.

[Athanasios]

Swapping out Vitamin C without flavies to:

Jarrow Formulas, C 1000 Ascorbic Acid+OleaSelect Olive Fruit Extract,

Vit C 1000mg + 25mg olive fruit extract

[babcock]

What prompted the change?

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:48 AM.

[Athanasios]

I couldn't easily find 1000mg capsules without the flavs from my preferred brands at iherb. Jarrows had this and it is better than straight C. I mainly updated via post so I could keep track of the change and not because it was a large or important change.

FTR, the one i replaced was the one with 25mg of flavie not the 100mg one.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:49 AM.

[Athanasios]

Just got WineRX in. Yeah, it is real wine extract. One smell of the bottle that the pills come in confirms that.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:49 AM.

[pycnogenol]

Doctor's Best brand just released Lithium Orotate:

http://www.iherb.com...lets/22628?at=0

[FunkOdyssey]

One week after I purchased this ghetto Advanced Research brand lithium orotate... *shakes fist in the air*

[Athanasios]

I dropped IP6 from 2000mg to 1500mg solely due to reported potency by Funk.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:50 AM.

[Athanasios]

Doctor's Best brand just released Lithium Orotate:

Next restock, I will go with them, thanks.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:51 AM.

[Athanasios]

Adding Tumeric Supreme by Gaia Herbs 1 capsule every other day

After thinking a bit about intermittent fasting, I am reducing the levels of some supplements that I had at what I considered ~2 day levels down to 1 day levels:

Reducing fish oil to 1.3 grams DPA+EPA every other day

Reducing Vitamin E dosage to 60mg every other day

Reducing Magnesium to 200mg each day

Reducing IP6 to 750mg every other day

Reducing Lactoferrin to 500mg every other day

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:52 AM.

[Athanasios]

Going from this:
Vit C (Now 100mg Flav) 1000mg 1 and (Jarrows w/25mg Olive Fruit Extract) 1000mg 1 @ $2

To this:
Vit C (Now 100mg Flav) 500mg 1 and (Jarrows w/25mg Olive Fruit Extract) 1000mg 2 @ $2.5

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:52 AM.

[jwilcox25]

Just wondering where you buy your supps? Those are extremely cheap prices compared to what I pay! I usually use Swanson, as it seems to be the cheapest reseller of brands like NOW and Jarrow.

Also, where are you getting Ortho-Core for 3 dollars a pill? Much cheaper than Relentless Improvement's price, where I get my Multi-Basics 3. Wine RX doesn't seem to have any resellers and the price is $10/mo from their website, though you've listed as $3. I would definitely appreciate any tips you might have.

[Athanasios]

The trick is that I only take them every other day. Note the 'Eat Days' category. The WineRX is listed as $5, half of the $10/mo that you note, since I take it only every other day. I usually buy from Iherb, vitacost, and amazon. With the bulk discounts I get they usually come out cheaper than the above. Some, such as Orthocore, have been a while since the price has been calculated due to using up old stock. I update when I buy. I hope that helps.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:53 AM.

[jwilcox25]

Oops missed that part. Hahah I guess a secret retailer that sells everything half off was too good to be true. I like iHerb for some products I can't find elsewhere, but Swanson seems to beat them usually on prices even when bulk discounts are taken into account (I usually keep an updated spreadsheet to track $/mg across retailers).

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:53 AM.

[Athanasios]

Dropped creatine and aspirin.
Added a fucoidan supplement.

Edited by Athanasios, 30 September 2011 - 06:55 PM.