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[Athanasios]

This is all true zoolander, but you know why you will get a lot of resistance from everyone, right?

[zoolander]

Of course

Society, in gerenal, seems so fucking fragile. Take some responsibility and pick up the pieces I say!

[kottke]

So much hate zoo. We're talking about sportscars here

[Shepard]

Society, in gerenal, seems so fucking fragile. Take some responsibility and pick up the pieces I say!

While I agree with this, I am perplexed by the posting spree.

[superpooper]

How about some good old porno?

[caston]

How about some good old porno? 

You mean like "GILF" stuff?? *yuck*

[zoolander]

There is no hate. I just believe that it's time for some people to move on. Yes it was a posting spree and I could've put it all into one post but I didn't.

I guess the posting spree was me giving the topic of this post a slap in the face. A "Wake Up!"

but they're just my views and I have some pretty strong views when it comes to this topic. You will see a similar style of posting from me also when it comes to religion as well.

Perhaps I should've stayed out of it. [lol]

[salesman]

I broke up with my live in girlfriend a month ago and things are going quite well for me. I have focused more on my studies now. I enjoy the time by myself. I did score some tail a week afterwards with two different chicks so i would say that helped in the whole scheme of things.

[doug123]

Hahahaha!!!

By God he's right. Where did you get that?

I got "that" using the same logic that taught me that whenever anything is going well, it's about to go bad, and whenever anything is going bad, it's about to turn to the better. There's a line in a Grateful Dead song (Uncle John's Band; music: Garcia; Lyrics: Hunter) that goes: "when life looks like easy street there is danger at your door." In my limited life experience the converse seems to be true as well.

[caston]

How about "when you find yourself in a hole: stop digging!"

Be selective about who you love no matter how long its been.

[kottke]

I broke up with my live in girlfriend a month ago and things are going quite well for me.  I have focused more on my studies now.  I enjoy the time by myself.  I did score some tail a week afterwards with two different chicks so i would say that helped in the whole scheme of things.

Whoa, salesman. What's your sales pitch?

[zoolander]

Be selective about who you love no matter how long its been.

I'm not picking on you caston but I tend to disagree again. To be selective is to become a product of your experiance. In regards to relationships, those who become a product of their experiance in the way you describe become more shut off and reserved as they grow older decreasing their chances of meeting many beautiful people.

IMHO, I say let down your guard but learn how to get up. A well known monk in Japan, Daruma, once said "If you fall down seven times, get up eight"

I live by this

[caston]

zoolander: I forced myself into finding a relationship. The relationship has decreased my health in a way that makes it very difficult to get an exact diagnosis of my current status.

Some information says my immune system will defeat it and some information says I have it for life. Some information says this is very common and almost everyone gets it at some point in their lives.

Yes by all means live and love but listen to yourself. There were lots of little warning signs telling me to avoid this woman and I ignored them.

[mitkat]

I'm not picking on you caston but I tend to disagree again. To be selective is to become a product of your experiance. In regards to relationships, those who become a product of their experiance in the way you describe become more shut off and reserved as they grow older decreasing their chances of meeting many beautiful people.

IMHO, I say let down your guard but learn how to get up. A well known monk in Japan, Daruma, once said "If you fall down seven times, get up eight"

I live by this

I agree with this. I'd never say get together with whatever will have you, but keep your mind open. Having an open mind to new mates is essential, and I believe that sexually we are more than the sum of our experiences...keep 'em happening, keep learning, don't stop loving (whatever you definition is ).

If I only stuck in "relationships", as I knew them way back in high school, then I'd be seriously lacking in the personal experiences I have now. Try your best to keep an open mind, as cliche as that sounds, and you may just find yourself waking up with a suicidegirl or two [thumb] *shines buttons on coat with breath*

[caston]

Just to clarify. Did you put a layer of latex between their genitals and yours?

[mitkat]

In a monogamous relationship, no, in more casual encounters, yes (although that hasn't always been true in the past, ya, ya, i know, i'm bad...)

Why do you ask?

[caston]

Not trying to judge. I got myself into a mess because of not using them. I'm just trying to make a point that love can break more than your heart and you should be careful when getting involved with people. Getting up a 7th time might be more difficult if you have contracted something.

I do want to get back in the game and I hope my immune system defeats it soon but I could just as easily go and catch something else which might really never go away.

I don't have herpies or hep C but some of the people that do have it have a view that so many people (amongst those that have regular sex) already have it that it doesn't matter if they pass it on. I don't want to get involved with one of those people and they look like everybody else. In some of my darker moments I have even felt that way myself about HPV but I know it is wrong.

I meet lots of attractive females and I'm sure that some of them are interested in me and it sucks that I'm such a coward that I'd rather it look like a rejection (or a blatant lack of making a move on my part) than tell them the real reason why i'm staying out of the game.

I was a virgin until I was 21 then didn't go any "tail" again until I was 23. That was when my "shagging saffari" began which came to an abrupt end at female number 8 just before I turned 25. I know how to "pull chicks" now but my past "success" didn't create a stable plaform for future "success".

The reason I hadn't had sex or entered a relationship until my twenties was not because of my looks but because of my aspergers syndrome.

Edited by caston, 27 October 2006 - 09:59 AM.

[doug123]

Not trying to judge. I got myself into a mess because of not using them. I'm just trying to make a point that love can break more than your heart and you should be careful when getting involved with people. Getting up a 7th time might be more difficult if you have contracted something.

I do want to get back in the game and I hope my immune system defeats it soon but I could just as easily go and catch something else which might really never go away.

I don't have herpies or hep C but some of the people that do have it have a view that so many people (amongst those that have regular sex) already have it that it doesn't matter if they pass it on. I don't want to get involved with one of those people and they look like everybody else. In some of my darker moments I have even felt that way myself about HPV but I know it is wrong.

Be careful: at least 1/5 carry the genital herpes virus and 9/10 carry the herpes simplex virus. The only difference between these two is where they show their symptoms. So don't suppose oral sex is a way to avoid herpes! Females and males can transfer simplex viruses to each others genitals quite easily! And then these buggers can then become "genital herpes."

In Americans specifically, it is estimated that about 1/4 carry genital herpes and 9/10 carry the simplex version (or commonly understood to be mouth herpes). There are other strains as well.

Learn more about this stuff here:

herpes statistics

http://www.herpes-co..._statistics.htm

The best solution is to get you and your new partner tested for sexually transmitted diseases together i.e. go to the hospital or doctors' office together, get the testing done, and share the results.

So far, I have not contracted any STDs in my life; however, I am super paranoid about them and use I Ching on all the women I consider having an intimate relationship with and get tested to make sure we don't spread unwanted parasites to each other. Of course, I always run tests on the women I like before getting intimate to make sure they are free of microbiological contamination, heavy metals, and of course, HPLC verified 99% pure.

I meet lots of attractive females and I'm sure that some of them are interested in me and it sucks that I'm such a coward that I'd rather it look like a rejection (or a blatant lack of making a move on my part) than tell them the real reason why i'm staying out of the game.

I was a virgin until I was 21 then didn't go any "tail" again until I was 23. That was when my "shagging saffari" began which came to an abrupt end at female number 8 just before I turned 25. I know how to "pull chicks" now but my past "success" didn't create a stable plaform for future "success".

You should probably pick up a copy of the Wilhelm/Baynes version of the I Ching. http://www.pupress.p.../titles/92.html

This is the most credible version in my opinion.

Although this is a translation from ancient Chinese, into German, and from German into English (I think that's right) if you study the book for long enough it won't cause you any problems. Obviously don't ask stoopid questions such as "should I smoke crack today?" The I ching will laugh at you and provide you with a response to match your idiocy.

Online version available free here: http://akirarabelais.com/i/i.html

Check this out too:

http://en.wikipedia....hing_divination

Here is an excerpt from the preface to the Wilhelm/Bayes version of the I Ching, by Carl Jung. The entire Jung foreword is available online here. I suggest you read the entire forward before reading my comment below the excerpt I have provided.

Since I am not a sinologue, a foreword to the Book of Changes from my hand must be a testimonial of my individual experience with this great and singular book. It also affords me a welcome opportunity to pay tribute again to the memory of my late friend, Richard Wilhelm. He himself was profoundly aware of the cultural significance of his translation of the I Ching, a version unrivaled in the West.

If the meaning of the Book of Changes were easy to grasp, the work would need no foreword. But this is far from being the case, for there is so much that is obscure about it that Western scholars have tended to dispose of it as a collection of "magic spells," either too abstruse to be intelligible, or of no value whatsoever. Legge's translation of the I Ching, up to now the only version available in English, has done little to make the work accessible to Western minds.[1]Wilhelm, however, has made every effort to open the way to an understanding of the symbolism of the text. He was in a position to do this because he himself was taught the philosophy and the use of the I Ching by the venerable sage Lao Nai-hsüan; moreover, he had over a period of many years put the peculiar technique of the oracle into practice. His grasp of the living meaning of the text gives his version of the I Ching a depth of perspective that an exclusively academic knowledge of Chinese philosophy could never provide.

I am greatly indebted to Wilhelm for the light he has thrown upon the complicated problem of the I Ching, and for insight as regards its practical application as well. For more than thirty years I have interested myself in this oracle technique, or method of exploring the unconscious, for it has seemed to me of uncommon significance. I was already fairly familiar with the I Ching when I first met Wilhelm in the early nineteen twenties; he confirmed for me then what I already knew, and taught me many things more.

I do not know Chinese and have never been in China. I can assure my reader that it is not altogether easy to find the right access to this monument of Chinese thought, which departs so completely from our ways of thinking. In order to understand what such a book is all about, it is imperative to cast off certain prejudices of the Western mind. it is a curious fact that such a gifted and intelligent people as the Chinese has never developed what we call science. Our science, however, is based upon the principle of causality, and causality is considered to be an axiomatic truth. But a great change in our standpoint is setting in. What Kant's Critique of Pure Reason failed to do, is being accomplished by modern physics. The axioms of causality are being shaken to their foundations: we know now that what we term natural laws are merely statistical truths and thus must necessarily allow for exceptions. We have not sufficiently taken into account as yet that we need the laboratory with its incisive restrictions in order to demonstrate the invariable validity of natural law. If we leave things to nature, we see a very different picture: every process is partially or totally interfered with by chance, so much so that under natural circumstances a course of events absolutely conforming to specific laws is almost an exception.

The Chinese mind, as I see it at work in the I Ching, seems to be exclusively preoccupied with the chance aspect of events. What we call coincidence seems to be the chief concern of this peculiar mind, and what we worship as causality passes almost unnoticed. We must admit that there is something to be said for the immense importance of chance. An incalculable amount of human effort is directed to combating and restricting the nuisance or danger represented by chance. Theoretical considerations of cause and effect often look pale and dusty in comparison to the practical results of chance. It is all very well to say that the crystal of quartz is a hexagonal prism. The statement is quite true in so far as an ideal crystal is envisaged. But in nature one finds no two crystals exactly alike, although all are unmistakably hexagonal. The actual form, however, seems to appeal more to the Chinese sage than the ideal one. The jumble of natural laws constituting empirical reality holds more significance for him than a causal explanation of events that, moreover, must usually be separated from one another in order to be properly dealt with.

The manner in which the I Ching tends to look upon reality seems to disfavor our causalistic procedures. The moment under actual observation appears to the ancient Chinese view more of a chance hit than a clearly defined result of concurring causal chain processes. The matter of interest seems to be the configuration formed by chance events in the moment of observation, and not at all the hypothetical reasons that seemingly account for the coincidence. While the Western mind carefully sifts, weighs, selects, classifies, isolates, the Chinese picture of the moment encompasses everything down to the minutest nonsensical detail, because all of the ingredients make up the observed moment.

Thus it happens that when one throws the three coins, or counts through the forty-nine yarrow stalks, these chance details enter into the picture of the moment of observation and form a part of it -- a part that is insiguificant to us, yet most meaningful to the Chinese mind. With us it would be a banal and almost meaningless statement (at least on the face of it) to say that whatever happens in a given moment possesses inevitably the quality peculiar to that moment. This is not an abstract argument but a very practical one. There are certain connoisseurs who can tell you merely from the appearance, taste, and behavior of a wine the site of its vineyard and the year of its origin. There are antiquarians who with almost uncanny accuracy will name the time and place of origin and the maker of an objet d'art or piece of furniture on merely looking at it. And there are even astrologers who can tell you, without any previous knowledge of your nativity, what the position of sun and moon was and what zodiacal sign rose above the horizon in the moment of your birth. In the face of such facts, it must be admitted that moments can leave long-lasting traces.

In other words, whoever invented the I Ching was convinced that the hexagram worked out in a certain moment coincided with the latter in quality no less than in time. To him the hexagram was the exponent of the moment in which it was cast -- even more so than the hours of the clock or the divisions of the calendar could be -- inasmuch as the hexagram was understood to be an indicator of the essential situation prevailing in the moment of its origin.

This assumption involves a certain curious principle that I have termed synchronicity,[2] a concept that formulates a point of view diametrically opposed to that of causality. Since the latter is a merely statistical truth and not absolute, it is a sort of working hypothesis of how events evolve one out of another, whereas synchronicity takes the coincidence of events in space and time as meaning something more than mere chance, namely, a peculiar interdependence of objective events among themselves as well as with the subjective (psychic) states of the observer or observers.

The ancient Chinese mind contemplates the cosmos in a way comparable to that of the modern physicist, who cannot deny that his model of the world is a decidedly psychophysical structure. The microphysical event includes the observer just as much as the reality underlying the I Ching comprises subjective, i.e., psychic conditions in the totality of the momentary situation. Just as causality describes the sequence of events, so synchronicity to the Chinese mind deals with the coincidence of events. The causal point of view tells us a dramatic story about how D came into existence: it took its origin from C, which existed before D, and C in its turn had a father, B, etc. The synchronistic view on the other hand tries to produce an equally meaningful picture of coincidence. How does it happen that A', B', C', D', etc., appear all in the same moment and in the same place? It happens in the first place because the physical events A' and B' are of the same quality as the psychic events C' and D', and further because all are the exponents of one and the same momentary situation. The situation is assumed to represent a legible or understandable picture.

Now the sixty-four hexagrams of the I Ching are the instrument by which the meaning of sixty-four different yet typical situations can be determined. These interpretations are equivalent to causal explanations. Causal connection is statistically necessary and can therefore be subjected to experiment. Inasmuch as situations are unique and cannot be repeated, experimenting with synchronicity seems to be impossible under ordinary conditions.[3] In the I Ching, the only criterion of the validity of synchronicity is the observer's opinion that the text of the hexagram amounts to a true rendering of his psychic condition. It is assumed that the fall of the coins or the result of the division of the bundle of yarrow stalks is what it necessarily must be in a given "situation," inasmuch as anything happening in that moment belongs to it as an indispensable part of the picture. If a handful of matches is thrown to the floor, they form the pattern characteristic of that moment. But such an obvious truth as this reveals its meaningful nature only if it is possible to read the pattern and to verify its interpretation, partly by the observer's knowledge of the subjective and objective situation, partly by the character of subsequent events. It is obviously not a procedure that appeals to a critical mind used to experimental verification of facts or to factual evidence. But for someone who likes to look at the world at the angle from which ancient China saw it, the I Ching may have some attraction.

My argument as outlined above has of course never entered a Chinese mind. On the contrary, according to the old tradition, it is "spiritual agencies," acting in a mysterious way, that make the yarrow stalks give a meaningful answer.[4] These powers form, as it were, the living soul of the book. As the latter is thus a sort of animated being, the tradition assumes that one can put questions to the I Ching and expect to receive intelligent answers. Thus it occurred to me that it might interest the uninitiated reader to see the I Ching at work. For this purpose I made an experiment strictly in accordance with the Chinese conception: I personified the book in a sense, asking its judgment about its present situation, i.e., my intention to present it to the Western mind.

Although this procedure is well within the premises of Taoist philosophy, it appears exceedingly odd to us. However, not even the strangeness of insane delusions or of primitive superstition has ever shocked me. I have always tried to remain unbiased and curious -- rerum novarum cupidus. Why not venture a dialogue with an ancient book that purports to be animated? There can be no harm in it, and the reader may watch a psychological procedure that has been carried out time and again throughout the millennia of Chinese civilization, representing to a Confucius or a Lao-tse both a supreme expression of spiritual authority and a philosophical enigma. I made use of the coin method, and the answer obtained was hexagram 50, Ting, THE CALDRON.

In accordance with the way my question was phrased, the text of the hexagram must be regarded as though the I Ching itself were the speaking person. Thus it describes itself as a caldron, that is, as a ritual vessel containing cooked food. Here the food is to be understood as spiritual nourishment. Wilhelm says about this:

The ting, as a utensil pertaining to a refined civilization, suggests the fostering and nourishing of able men, which redounded to the benefit of the state. . . . Here we see civilization as it reaches its culmination in religion. The ting serves in offering sacrifice to God. . . . The supreme revelation of God appears in prophets and holy men. To venerate them is true veneration of God. The will of God, as revealed through them, should he accepted in humility.
Keeping to our hypothesis, we must conclude that the I Ching is here testifying concerning itself.

Try casting hexagrams requesting the I ching to comment on perspective mates before engaging in sexual acts. I've been told to "Retreat" with some hot chicks and did so just because. Retreat, however...is not the same as flight.

In this case retreat is the right course, and it is not to be confused with flight.
Flight means saving oneself under any circumstances, whereas retreat is a
sign of strength. We must be careful not to miss the right moment while we
are in full possession of power and position. Then we shall be able to
interpret the signs of the time before it is too late and to prepare for
provisional retreat instead of being drawn into a desperate life-and-death
struggle.

Edited by nootropikamil, 01 March 2007 - 12:51 AM.

[zoolander]

so many things about these posts show a definate lack of responsibility, especially the not using a condom scenario. It's no wonder people feel lost and hopeless in these situations.

Taking responsibility gives you the ultimate control. The control to develop a wonderful loving relationship and the control to move on once such a relationship ends. Which of course is inevitable

I will make one comment on the whole "giving up" approach. This is good as long as you remain open. As it so happens, the one things you want most often only comes when you stop trying so hard and give up. Giving up creates a more organic environment that flows without being held back by longing or pushed forward by desire. Giving up or letting go is an essential part of realising the truth and flowing with lifes experiance.

Ponder on this.......you will never be free until you let go of everything that is close to you. Why? because everything that is close will eventually be gone. The only permenant thing in life is impermenance. So essentially you never had anything in the first place.

[caston]

nootropikamil:

Thanks for coming up with the stats. Herpies is so common that honestly I am LUCKY that I don't have it. The other thing is that its really difficult to get a male HPV test and often men don't show any symptoms at all. There is something like 150 different strains and some of them show no symptoms at all so they probably come and go without your knowledge.

So you and your partner could test clean and still give each other something the doctor didn't check for including certain pathogens like trichromonas.

I would still like to claim that i'm an optimist and that the sort of biomedical control we will gain over our bodies for life extension and immortality should also help us remove any annoying STDs which sour our relationships with others.

Interestingly enough I think UV light exposure to HPV warts increases the risks of skin cancer. The term HPV is so broad that it even includes the tiny warts we get on our fingers when we are children.

I hadn't heard of "I ching" before. It sounds very interesting through. This drawing hexagons thing is it anything like "rolling dice?"

zoolander:

I tried to insist on using a condom with my first ever partner and she didn't want to but understood if I wanted to. I then had a lot of trouble trying to use the condom but I won't go into details. After that I gave in and we had sex without it. That created a bad presedent for future relationships.

Edited by caston, 28 October 2006 - 01:17 AM.

[doug123]

nootropikamil:

Thanks for coming up with the stats. Herpies is so common that honestly I am LUCKY that I don't have it. The other thing is that its really difficult to get a male HPV test and often men don't show any symptoms at all. There is something like 150 different strains and some of them show no symptoms at all so they probably come and go without your knowledge.

So you and your partner could test clean and still give each other something the doctor didn't check for including certain pathogens like trichromonas.

I would still like to claim that i'm an optimist and that the sort of biomedical control we will gain over our bodies for life extension and immortality should also help us remove any annoying STDs which sour our relationships with others.

Interestingly enough I think UV light exposure to HPV warts increases the risks of skin cancer. The term HPV is so broad that it even includes the tiny warts we get on our fingers when we are children.

I might be a little bit more passionate about herpes because my brother is a herpes virus researcher. I've gotten cold sores before, and they are quite annoying.

It's not like the world is over for individuals who have contracted genital herpes. These days, they have effective medicines available to treat them and reduce occurrence; and drug companies make a sizeable profit from selling them. And obviously if you have genital herpes and care about your sexual partner, you make sure (if he or she has not contracted it yet) to either wear a condom or abstain from intercourse until the infection has fully healed.

Another nastiness on genitals are genital warts (which comes in various shapes and sizes, and can even be deadly for some women). "According to Debbie PinoSaballett, the director of health information at SHS (at UCSD), about 50% of sexually active people will contract HPV, more commonly known as genital warts, within their lifetimes...There are about 30 different types of HPV that affects the genital area, most of which are low risk. Only a few are known to lead to cervical cancer or genital warts...according to Student Health Services, four types of human papillomavirus or HPV, cause about 70% of all cases of cervical cancer."

"Bacterial STDs, such as gonorrhea and chlamydia can be cured with antibiotics"(1).
..however, for warts and herpes there is no cure.

I hadn't heard of "I ching" before. It sounds very interesting through. This drawing hexagons thing is it anything like "rolling dice?"

No it isn't like "rolling dice." The procedure I use is this:

1. Take three pennies in your hand.

2. Think of your question in your mind (such as "what should I do in this situation?")

3. Shake the coins in your hands for as long as you feel necessary for random elements of the moment and drop them and take note if they are represented as:

a) 2 heads -------- (solid line)
b) 2 tails --- --- (broken line)
c) 3 heads ---x--- (broken line with an x in the middle, I guess)
d) 3 tails ---o--- ( solid line with a circle in the middle)

You do this procedure 6 times and build a hexagram (hex = 6). You build it from the bottom going up.

Learn more about it here

Edited by nootropikamil, 01 March 2007 - 12:14 AM.

[caston]

The other option is that I can insist that any future partner gets the HPV vaccine that was recently released before we start having intercourse. I think the program takes a while to complete though but they should get it anyway.

nootropikamil:

Have you asked it questions about radical life extension?

Edited by caston, 28 October 2006 - 08:05 AM.

[doug123]

The other option is that I can insist that any future partner gets the HPV vaccine that was recently released before we start having intercourse. I think the program takes a while to complete though but they should get it anyway.

I don't believe the vaccine is effective for all HPV. You should talk to your doctor about this more I guess.

nootropikamil:

Have you asked it questions about radical life extension?

Just like the term "girlfriend" can imply an intimate, sexual relationship, it can also convey that a male/female relationship exists based on a friendship without any intimacy. You would need to define "radical life extension" in its context to get a reasonable answer.


Radical life extension is too broad of a term to consult the I Ching; at least I think. Keep in mind the I Ching was written 3,000 years ago. For one, women aren't concubines anymore; and this is not ancient China! The I Ching has a tendency to define relationships with women either in terms of marriage or concubine. Obviously the world has changed a lot since then. Not every girl you meet will you marry or be a concubine! Some will just be your friend. Ancient Chinese culture differs greatly from our own today.

1.  A favored female companion or sweetheart.
2.  A female friend.

What's your definition for "radical life extension," and in what context are you using it? If you have cancer and a doctor told you you would die in two months, and a new medicine is developed that can increase your lifespan four more years; in this context, this would be "Radical life extension." Or, let's say you drank green tea and avoided death from stroke by 5 years, that might also mean "radical" life extension.

[Karomesis]

attachment leads to suffering

indeed. I'm just trying to navigate the precipitous time between today and uploding. How many decades is the question.

For me there is n NO second time around, no second chance. For others with less of an attachment, get married,get divorced, get married again blah blah blah. Sorry but that won't be happening for yours truly.

Everyone thinks they'll be different, they'll stay together/married, whatever. Most are sorely mistaken.

[kylyssa]

Sports, buddies, loud bass music, quality sex toys, good reading materials, and pornography are all great aids to maintaining mental health after a break-up.

I agree with everyone saying you should treat yourself and pamper yourself. Love thyself.

[zoolander]

Sports, buddies, loud bass music, quality sex toys, good reading materials, and pornography are all great aids to maintaining mental health after a break-up.

These are also all great aids to maintaining mental health whilst in a relationship.

[kylyssa]

Oh, definitely!

[Centurion]

Kylyssa is switched on and tuned in, so much so I'm beginning to wonder if she's part cyborg. One thing missing tho - food. Theres always time for good food.

Chocolate truffle cake!
Apple pie heated in the microwave and covered in vanilla ice cream
Ben & Jerry's Chocolate Fudge Brownie.......
A nice grilled aberdeen angus steak
Cottage pie with buttery potatoes and thick gravy in the mince
Doritos!!!
A properly made (NOT starbucks) cappuchino with a chococolatey brownie
Cookies and milk

I could go on forever, (and probably still not mention anything healthy) food is good fun

[zoolander]

So in summary.......you broke up with your live in girlfriend and need help.

From what has been said you have 2 choices:

In my view

1. Run from what has happened and fill your life with things that will distract you from the pain, or
2. Deal with it. Contemplate. Search for the lesson is this experiance

Oh yeah, whilst I pushing my views I have one last thing to say.

Ignoring the painful/ugly/neutral/nasty/mundane things in life is to ignore a great deal of what makes up the full spectrum of your experiance. Reality.

To only see and listen to the things that make you happy is to live a narrow-minded life. Without eyes. Without ears. You'll be living in a world that's pulled over your eyes that hides you from the truth.

The truth that you're gay and should've come out of the closest along time ago.

'nuff said

[tung]

[caston]

So in summary.......you broke up with your live in girlfriend and need help.


The truth that you're gay and should've come out of the closest along time ago.

'nuff said

[tung]

Did you just make that up or did he actually say something about that somewhere in the thread?