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#91 Shannon Vyff

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Posted 13 December 2008 - 04:28 PM

You are right, Shannon, this might be the right action plan. Time is running out, and it is very important to obtain Bill's consent before he is too exhausted by his next round of chemo.
However, should Bill sign the cryonics agreement, we are still only half the way on the cryonics found. Is there any possibility that CI considers the particular case of Bill so as to suspend him anyway?



We have a temporary arrangement for suspension confirmed that would store William till the funds are there for CI. Mike Perry can explain it to William, but it is most urgent right now to get the consent form signed.

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Posted 13 December 2008 - 04:38 PM

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You are right, Shannon, this might be the right action plan. Time is running out, and it is very important to obtain Bill's consent before he is too exhausted by his next round of chemo.
However, should Bill sign the cryonics agreement, we are still only half the way on the cryonics found. Is there any possibility that CI considers the particular case of Bill so as to suspend him anyway?



We have a temporary arrangement for suspension confirmed that would store William till the funds are there for CI. Mike Perry can explain it to William, but it is most urgent right now to get the consent form signed.

This is good news. Maybe one of us can pay him a visit tomorrow? I'd really like to buy him a beer in a few decades. This is his only chance, and its a good one

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Posted 13 December 2008 - 05:46 PM

Shannon, and others who want to reach Bill.
Below are the only methods I have for contacting him. I have been unable
to reach him since I caught him yesterday morning by chance at the hospital
lounge phone. I am not going to be able to stay current on helping because
of pressing personal obligations I have at this time. I never heard back
from Dr. Jeff Young yesterday. It would be best if Anthony or someone with
a professional background reached out to him anyway.
All contact info is below...please pass it on to people who need to reach Bill and/or
want to help with getting him vitamin IV's and alternative protocols.
Tham has done some amazing searching and knows all the doctors and medical
centers that are involved so contact him for additional info. He posted it recently
in this thread.

207.662.3743 hospital lounge
UPDATE, he is in a room with a computer at the hospital...the phone number there is 207-662-7673
He requested that his doctors NOT be contacted without his consent.


(207) 477-0387 carol's cel phone



Edited by missminni, 14 December 2008 - 02:46 PM.


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Posted 13 December 2008 - 08:54 PM

Shannon, and others who want to reach Bill.
Below are the only methods I have for contacting him. I have been unable
to reach him since I caught him yesterday morning by chance at the hospital
lounge phone. I am not going to be able to stay current on helping because
of pressing personal obligations I have at this time. I never heard back
from Dr. Jeff Young yesterday. It would be best if Anthony or someone with
a professional background reached out to him anyway.
All contact info is below...please pass it on to people who need to reach Bill and/or
want to help with getting him vitamin IV's and alternative protocols.
Tham has done some amazing searching and knows all the doctors and medical
centers that are involved so contact him for additional info. He posted it recently
in this thread.

207.662.3743 hospital lounge

(207) 477-0387 carol's cel phone

Dr. Jeffrey Young can be reached by going to this website and calling any of the medical programs he is involved with. They will
forward the message.
http://www.spectrumm...hysicianID=343#


I've been trying to get in touch with Bill without success. (The only time so far that I did succeed was last Sunday, the 7th.) I've called his number, the "hospital lounge" with a call to Carol's number, all without success. In view of Bill's repeated assurances that calling the hospital number is okay I've mainly focused on that. I'm worried that too much calling of others may make them frustrated and hostile, and I don't know how much to try on a given approach.

Anyway, we very much do need to get organized for the possibility of cryopreservation if we want it to happen. Bill did sign a "declaration of intent" indicating a wish to be cryopreserved in the event of death but that is all we have to go on so far. We need the consent form so the Venturist organization specifically can act when needed. So we can make necessary arrangements with hospital, mortuary, shipping company or whatever. I think the chances are at least decent that we can raise the funds for CI storage while the patient is on dry ice at another location. This is not a guarantee but with the time the dry ice would buy us the funds could be raised. We would have to consider the expense of the maintenance too, of course. The faster we could raise money the better, but overall I am optimistic.

In addition the Venturist people need to be in touch with Bill's next of kin or whoever would normally handle burial or other such arrangements. This is critical. Anyone who can help with this, it is appreciated. Contact me at mike@alcor.org, 480-227-7335, or 480-905-1906 x 109.

Best wishes to all,
Mike Perry

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 06:22 AM

Shannon, and others who want to reach Bill.
Below are the only methods I have for contacting him. I have been unable
to reach him since I caught him yesterday morning by chance at the hospital
lounge phone. I am not going to be able to stay current on helping because
of pressing personal obligations I have at this time. I never heard back
from Dr. Jeff Young yesterday. It would be best if Anthony or someone with
a professional background reached out to him anyway.
All contact info is below...please pass it on to people who need to reach Bill and/or
want to help with getting him vitamin IV's and alternative protocols.
Tham has done some amazing searching and knows all the doctors and medical

centers that are involved so contact him for additional info. He posted it recentlyin this thread.

207.662.3743 hospital lounge

(207) 477-0387 carol's cel phone

Dr. Jeffrey Young can be reached by going to this website and calling any of the medical programs he is involved with. They will
forward the message.
http://www.spectrumm...hysicianID=343#


I've been trying to get in touch with Bill without success. (The only time so far that I did succeed was last Sunday, the 7th.) I've called his number, the "hospital lounge" with a call to Carol's number, all without success. In view of Bill's repeated assurances that calling the hospital number is okay I've mainly focused on that. I'm worried that too much calling of others may make them frustrated and hostile, and I don't know how much to try on a given approach.

Anyway, we very much do need to get organized for the possibility of cryopreservation if we want it to happen. Bill did sign a "declaration of intent" indicating a wish to be cryopreserved in the event of death but that is all we have to go on so far. We need the consent form so the Venturist organization specifically can act when needed. So we can make necessary arrangements with hospital, mortuary, shipping company or whatever. I think the chances are at least decent that we can raise the funds for CI storage while the patient is on dry ice at another location. This is not a guarantee but with the time the dry ice would buy us the funds could be raised. We would have to consider the expense of the maintenance too, of course. The faster we could raise money the better, but overall I am optimistic.

In addition the Venturist people need to be in touch with Bill's next of kin or whoever would normally handle burial or other such arrangements. This is critical. Anyone who can help with this, it is appreciated. Contact me at mike@alcor.org, 480-227-7335, or 480-905-1906 x 109.

Best wishes to all,
Mike Perry



I just received an email from Bill. He now has a computer in his room.

He started another round of chemo. He requested the IV Vit.C and his doctor again refused.

His phone number in his room is 207-662-7673. Call there instead of the lounge number

His email is <thefirstimmortal@yahoo.com>

Also, please be advised that Bill does not want anyone to contact his doctors without his consent.


Edited by missminni, 14 December 2008 - 02:43 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2008 - 04:06 PM

[quote name='tham' date='7-Dec 2008, 03:20 PM' post='282405']
I'm uncertain of the status of the funds contributions for
Bill so far.

However, I didn't realize there was a central fund, as mentioned
by David in the "Fighting Cancer" thread, for supplements and
perhaps other complementary therapies.
Tham, there is no "Central Fund." There is Anthony's Fund from Revgenetics, which sounds like the fund you might be taliking about.

When I linked Bill to the Maine integrative center about a
month ago, where IV C therapy is available, he replied the
cost was out of his hands.

I'm puzzled why he didn't make use of that fund (or wMissMinni and I had already found these services and I hadas given
the go-ahead to) at that time ?
If my memory serves me correctlly,
costed out the 3 or 4 closest places, all with first doctor visits in well excessof 200 dollars that they use and is a nonrefundable cost.

An initial course of 10
treatments at $175 (as given by Bill earlier) would be $1,750.
yep, and that's where you can stop Tham, because there wasn't that much money in the account at time. After placing a very large vity order we got the dollars in that fund down to less than 3 or 400 dollars.
I'm don't know the house-call rates in the US, but a request
for a doctor from that center to come over and administer
it now would be at least triple the cost ?
Well, was just getting to this post and got a call From Tham.
So, I'm going to posts what I got here so far Tham, and anything you still may be needing explaining for, just let me know.


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Posted 14 December 2008 - 04:17 PM

Written this week by Bill Sardi:

There are no proven cures for cancer, and radiation and chemotherapy cannot even penetrate solid tumors, which represent 70–90% of cancers, but patients are never told this. There is no way chemotherapy can work because tumor resistance is inevitable and it destroys the immune system. A published study shows chemotherapy only contributes to the 5-year survival of cancer patients 2.3% of the time. (Would you return to an automobile repair shop that only fixed your car less than 3% of the time?) Chemotherapy is approved by the FDA if it temporarily shrinks a tumor by 50%, not if it prolongs survival. Who can blame cancer patients for searching for unproven alternatives? Chemo and radiation therapy have been disproven.

http://www.lewrockwe...di/sardi99.html

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 04:24 PM

BTW, I posted the above as a way of expressing my view that I don't think chemo can help. In fact, it appears to toughen the cancer in the long run, making it harder to defeat. Mistake #1 for anyone with cancer is getting chemo -- it merely makes the cancer itself selectively chemo resistant, it greatly retards the natural immune system, and it makes the victim too sick to implement more promising natural solutions.

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 04:27 PM

Written this week by Bill Sardi:

There are no proven cures for cancer, and radiation and chemotherapy cannot even penetrate solid tumors, which represent 70–90% of cancers, but patients are never told this. There is no way chemotherapy can work because tumor resistance is inevitable and it destroys the immune system. A published study shows chemotherapy only contributes to the 5-year survival of cancer patients 2.3% of the time. (Would you return to an automobile repair shop that only fixed your car less than 3% of the time?) Chemotherapy is approved by the FDA if it temporarily shrinks a tumor by 50%, not if it prolongs survival. Who can blame cancer patients for searching for unproven alternatives? Chemo and radiation therapy have been disproven.

http://www.lewrockwe...di/sardi99.html

I agree. I'd never do chemo.
In Bill's case it appears he's left no other options.
He seems to be trapped by his doctor.

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 04:28 PM

I have outlined that in variious posts.[/color]
What is the doctor's prediction, how much time does chemo give us (him)?
At this time no specific date, just late stage, Advanced


He can recover with the proper protocol. He has the mindset, and we all know by now that state of mind is
90% of getting well, and he has the arsenal of supplements needed. There's only one thing
missing...professional assistance. This can be arranged the same way that cryonics can be arranged. Some money and
some planning.
If this is about extending life...let's do that. Bill might be in pain,
but he is not ready to give up, not by a long shot. He never even had the opportunity to take the supplements he ordered
due to the inability to digest food because of damage to his GI tract after his last chemo session. By the time his
stomach recovered, the tumor grew and pressed on his espophagus making it impossible to swallow. That situation
has improved slightly but the bone pain is excruciating. A vitamin C drip would help relieve the bone pain and shrink the tumor at the same time.
He has the right Vitamin C. He needs somebody who can administer the drip. Couldn't the same effort needed to co-ordinate
cryonics by used to save his life instead?

Fighting the cancer to win at this stage is a waste. Fighting until cryopreservation is ready, however, is probably his only chance. We shouldn't bet our money on supplements and drugs, because there's no known cure for SCLC and he could die during this gamble, whereas cryopreservation is a relatively safe bet. We should not be in denial about the situation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabda
We are going to need those supplements to squeeze out a little more time.f
tham, 1750 for IV vit c treatments? Wow, what a steal, considering vit c is dirt cheap those prices are unfortunately ridiculous, unfair and at least *at this stage* too expensive I believe. I think tfi needs the cheapest treatment that allows for the survival necessary until cryopreservation is ready...



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Posted 14 December 2008 - 04:43 PM

I called Bill at the phone Minni gave just now.
It's his direct line in his ward room,

He sounded in pretty bad shape, was coughing on and
off as we talked. (I was in bad shape too, one of my
hemorrhoids prolapsed today, having recurred only a
few years after excruciatingly painful and difficult surgery
in December 2004 !)


Here's the situation :

1. Minni, Bill confirmed that Jeffrey Young has no
authority over this whole issue - Kurt Ebrahim is the
one who has the last say.

2. Kurt Ebrahim won't even listen to him about being put
on a trial of amrubicin. He's the one who will decide his
chemo protocol. He can't ask for a transfer to Matthew
Dugan (director of the amrubicin study) in the Maine Cancer
Center in Scarborough too. Kurt has a residency there as well,
and Dugan knows Bill is Kurt's patient. Ethical red tape.

3. Kurt won't let him try the vitamin C infusion there. I guess
that is understandable if one takes Kurt's point of view. What if
complications arise, whether from the vitamin C treatment or
interactions with the chemo, or it just nullifies his chemo's
efficacy ? Or even if the vitamin C doesn't cause any problems,
but the chemo does, people (including the patient) may still say
that the vitamin C was the culprit. A question of liability. He doesn't
want any problems and doesn't want to be held responsible for any.

3, He said doctors there don't make house calls. So there is
no question of a doctor from Maine Wellness travelling to his
house, or the hospital for that matter, for the IV C.

4. Even after he goes home, Bill is in no position to travel to
Maine Wellness. His pain is excruciating at the slightest movement
- the cancer is eating his bones. The IV C will have to be done
at home, with someone to help him.

5. He confirmed that the cryonics fund cannot be used for IV C,
as the donors had expressed their clear intent that it be used for
cryonics only.

6. I told him to hang on in there. The Immortality Institute and
their members' powerful life extension know-how and resources
will try their best to help him pull him thru this.

Edited by tham, 14 December 2008 - 04:49 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2008 - 05:01 PM

I called Bill at the phone Minni gave just now.
It's his direct line in his ward room,

He sounded in pretty bad shape, was coughing on and
off as we talked. (I was in bad shape too, one of my
hemorrhoids prolapsed today, having recurred only a
few years after excruciatingly painful and difficult surgery
in December 2004 !)


Here's the situation :

1. Minni, Bill confirmed that Jeffrey Young has no
authority over this whole issue - Kurt Ebrahim is the
one who has the last say.

2. Kurt Ebrahim won't even listen to him about being put
on a trial of amrubicin. He's the one who will decide his
chemo protocol. He can't ask for a transfer to Matthew
Dugan (director of the amrubicin study) in the Maine Cancer
Center in Scarborough too. Kurt has a residency there as well,
and Dugan knows Bill is Kurt's patient. Ethical red tape.

3. Kurt won't let him try the vitamin C infusion there. I guess
that is understandable if one takes Kurt's point of view. What if
complications arise, whether from the vitamin C treatment or
interactions with the chemo, or it just nullifies his chemo's
efficacy ? Or even if the vitamin C doesn't cause any problems,
but the chemo does, people (including the patient) may still say
that the vitamin C was the culprit. A question of liability. He doesn't
want any problems and doesn't want to be held responsible for any.

3, He said doctors there don't make house calls. So there is
no question of a doctor from Maine Wellness travelling to his
house, or the hospital for that matter, for the IV C.

4. Even after he goes home, Bill is in no position to travel to
Maine Wellness. His pain is excruciating at the slightest movement
- the cancer is eating his bones. The IV C will have to be done
at home, with someone to help him.

5. He confirmed that the cryonics fund cannot be used for IV C,
as the donors had expressed their clear intent that it be used for
cryonics only.

6. I told him to hang on in there. The Immortality Institute and
their members' powerful life extension know-how and resources
will try their best to help him pull him thru this.

Tham,
I'm so glad you finally spoke with Bill so you understand the situation.
It's truly a cautionary tale.
It's unbelievable how limited he is in determining his own treatment.


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Posted 14 December 2008 - 05:13 PM

If it were me, I would FOCUS on a Resveratrol drip. SIRT activation IS the key to all of this.
Plus putting resveratrol directly into his bloodstream circumvents any bioavailabity issues.

FINDING THAT VIEN SEEMS TO BE THE HARDEST PART. As long as I can find a pro at hittting a vien I'll be good.

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 05:25 PM

If it were me, I would FOCUS on a Resveratrol drip. SIRT activation IS the key to all of this.
Plus putting resveratrol directly into his bloodstream circumvents any bioavailabity issues.

FINDING THAT VIEN SEEMS TO BE THE HARDEST PART. As long as I can find a pro at hittting a vien I'll be good.

Do you have the Res with you this time? That would help.
just keeping it in your mouth like before...can you do that? Also, what about trying that with other supps you have.
At least you will get some sublinqual absorption. You have all those supps just sitting there. Until you can
find somebody to do an IV, try them sublingually.


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Posted 14 December 2008 - 05:50 PM

Here's the situation :

1. Minni, Bill confirmed that Jeffrey Young has no
authority over this whole issue - Kurt Ebrahim is the
one who has the last say.

2. Kurt Ebrahim won't even listen to him about being put
on a trial of amrubicin. He's the one who will decide his
chemo protocol. He can't ask for a transfer to Matthew
Dugan (director of the amrubicin study) in the Maine Cancer
Center in Scarborough too. Kurt has a residency there as well,
and Dugan knows Bill is Kurt's patient. Ethical red tape.

3. Kurt won't let him try the vitamin C infusion there. I guess
that is understandable if one takes Kurt's point of view. What if
complications arise, whether from the vitamin C treatment or
interactions with the chemo, or it just nullifies his chemo's
efficacy ? Or even if the vitamin C doesn't cause any problems,
but the chemo does, people (including the patient) may still say
that the vitamin C was the culprit. A question of liability. He doesn't
want any problems and doesn't want to be held responsible for any.

Yeah, liability..  you mean like "oh no.. a terminal SCLC patient died... damn it, how unexpected?!?" That is the exact reason why trials and compessionate use are the only interesting therapeutical approaches for terminal cancer, because those patients die anyway on standard therapy (99%). It's not as if he couldn't do the IV vit c before or after chemo anyway!
There are so many doctors trying experimental treatment and trials going on in Germany for advanced prostate cancer for instance, it's sad that it could be any different in the USA in the case of SCLC.

Good to know, however, that we have worked out the issue with CI and TFI is at least receiving some therapy. Now you need to refine the treatment, get the IV res or vit c and other supplements, but chemo will buy some time hopefully.

Bill, you buy me a beer when this is over, in exchange for my donation, don't you? :|?

Edited by kismet, 14 December 2008 - 05:53 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2008 - 06:05 PM

That's terrible news. I mean, the missing cooperation from the physician much more
than the health status. Is that guy aware his family could sue him for not doing his
best, also if he withholds an alternative therapy? Just my experience, but beyond a
certain stubborness level, talking about legal action works wonders with some guys.

Worst of all cases... shouldn't be impossible to administer a sterile IV yourself (or by help
from relatives) in a hospital setting if you already have the drip in your arm and sterile NaCl
solution gloves lying around and the substance you want at hand...? adding minimum amounts
to a standard NaCl solution drip bag to get 5%, then slowly doubling the amount to be careful...
Maybe I'm crazier than you though this is what I would attempt in a life and death situation.

Another thing, asking LEF (1-800-226-2370) for advice by phone or mail. I can also write
them a line and forward it. I have LEF Membership and will get a response from the advisory
service within 24 hours... (just let me know IF and what exactly I should ask, beyond that
you're immobilized and need to find a practitioner for alternative IV badly, in case...).

Below are two more addresses in Maine. I keep fingers crossed and wishing that you find a
House kind of doc that storms into the clinic, brushes your Dr.Ebrahim away and just does the damn IV.! :|?

WATERVILLE:
Arthur B. Weisser, DO
184 Silver St.
Waterville, ME 04901
(207) 873-7721

YARMOUTH:
Steven Amato, DC
30 Forest Falls Rd.
Yarmouth, ME 04105
(207) 563-1000

Edited by mixter, 14 December 2008 - 06:08 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2008 - 06:42 PM

Hard to believe you guys are talking about vitiman C at this point. While it may help the situation (and I Hope it does), I think it is time to 'step it up' a notch. I hate to pound on the same drum over and over but I am thinking large intraveneous does of resveratrol are his BEST shot - maybe Anthony can help with a formulation? It's late in the 4th quarter and the time is now. God Bless.


IV-VC at the right dose is far more important. I have Res ability or will have ful resv. capabilty soon. I can oral delivery and Buccal Delivery the right amounts,as long as I can swallow water (tea). There has not been a sufficient arguement drawn to advance the idea that vien dilivery would give us amazing gains with Res. Large V-C is stepping it up a bit, along with getting V-C to help with dep pain fom the mtets and large regions of destruction, but mostly tumor shrinksge.

We have a main mass that is choaking my main air passages off.

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 07:17 PM

Er .... the "right" vitamin C ?

Isn't any form of ascorbate still vitamin C, as long at
it does the job of cytotoxicty ? Why didn't Bill go for it ?


Tham, not all v-c is the same. When you are going to slam 100g
through your blood stream, you had better know that some forms are ph nuetril while some are very acidic. Some forms not so much.

The doctors from that Maine center must have been experienced in this form of treatment.


The end result is now he hasn't even got a single gram
in him to date.



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Posted 15 December 2008 - 12:02 AM

Not sure if this is the best spot to post this:

Cancer's Sweet Tooth
http://www.newhope.c...r_00/cancer.cfm

For years I've recommended (including many times in this forum) that anyone with cancer avoid sugars, grains and starchy carbs. In fact, if I had cancer, I would not eat ANY carbs period (other than the carbs in my cancer fighting supplements). But then, I'm pretty hardcore and always willing to go the full mile.

Effects of a ketogenic diet on tumor metabolism and nutritional status in pediatric oncology patients: two case reports.

Also, cancer and metabolic control.

BTW, I strongly suspect that when under hospital care, the diet offered is full of grain and starch carbs. Hospitals, after all, are run nutritionally clueless fools.

Edited by DukeNukem, 15 December 2008 - 12:05 AM.


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Posted 15 December 2008 - 10:57 AM

Tham, not all v-c is the same. When you are going to slam 100g
through your blood stream, you had better know that some forms are ph neutral, while some are very acidic. Some forms not so much.


Bill, most of these centers, including the one at Maine,
would be using sodium ascorbate. In your case, sodium
ascorbate might be contraindicated, since your leg
edema shows you have tumor ascites.

" 7. Given the amount of fluid which is used as a vehicle for the
ascorbate and the sodium hydroxide/sodium bicarbonate
used to adjust the pH, any condition which could be adversely
affected by increased fluid or sodium is relatively contraindicated.
For example: congestive heart failure, ascites, edema, etc. "

http://www.canceract...g.gg/recnac.htm


Calcium ascorbate would be out too, since the high amount
of calcium, some 10 grams per 100 gram of C, would be
dangerous, as it is likely you already have hypercalcemia
from the bone metastases.

The other option would be magnesium ascorbate, but
the amount of magnesium is quite high too, about 8 grams
per 100 grams.

http://www.betterlif...sp?prod_id=1331

http://www.betterlif...sp?prod_id=6625


Perhaps these mixed ascorbates, but the potassium is
quite high and would be dangerous for your heart. Twice
the cost too.

http://www.betterlif...sp?prod_id=6915

http://www.betterlif...asp?prod_id=545

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 05:11 PM

There's a doctor about 30 miles away from
your house in Conway, NH. Not sure if he
practises IV C.

http://www.vitaminde...s...ustom&ID=75

Tim Douglas, DC
P.O. Box 2615
Conway, NH 03818
(603) 447-2244

When I called there was no answer, but his cellphone
was given : +603 986 6232.

He didn't answer his cellphone either. Perhaps Minni or
Bill could try later.

There was no answer or the phones were no longer in
service, when I called the ones given in Maine by Mixter,
who are also in the above link.

Edited by tham, 15 December 2008 - 05:25 PM.


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Posted 15 December 2008 - 05:42 PM

Something on alternative treatments for Stage 4 cancers.

http://www.cancertut.../CheckFast.html

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 05:54 PM

Bill, download Yahoo Messenger on your computer.
You can then chat with the members, preferably
with a mic and cam.

http://messenger.yahoo.com/download/


If you wish to save space, Yahoo 7.5 is good enough.
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#114 bgwowk

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 12:45 AM

Written this week by Bill Sardi:

There is no way chemotherapy can work because tumor resistance is inevitable and it destroys the immune system.

That would be news to the many thousands of patients who've undergone chemotherapy and gone on to live years instead of months. For certain types of tumors, actual long-term cure is possible. For example, the Merck Manual says of Hodgkin's disease:

With chemotherapy, with or without radiation therapy, most people who have Hodgkin lymphoma can be cured.


Written this week by Bill Sardi:

There are no proven cures for cancer, and radiation and chemotherapy cannot even penetrate solid tumors, which represent 70–90% of cancers, but patients are never told this....

Chemotherapy is approved by the FDA if it temporarily shrinks a tumor by 50%, not if it prolongs survival.

How can chemotherapy shrink a tumor by 50% if it doesn't penetrate it? The statement that radiation and chemotherapy doesn't penetrate solid tumors is patently false.

Of course chemotherapy has bad short and long-term side effects. But it can pull people back from the brink when nothing else can. Someday there will be better treatments for cancer than surgery, radiation, and chemo, but I'm not aware of any yet with more than anecdotal success. William has twice been in a situation of having only weeks to live, and chemotherapy bought him months instead. For most people with his type of cancer, it probably would not have been worth it, but he decided to do it anyway. It's a terrible thing to go through, but to imply that chemotherapy is no benefit at all when it's the only thing that seems to have worked for him even in the short term seems to be disconnected from the reality of his difficult circumstances.

#115 lunarsolarpower

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 01:34 AM

There's a doctor about 30 miles away from
your house in Conway, NH. Not sure if he
practises IV C.

Tim Douglas, DC


DCs are chiropractors not physicians. The only degrees granted in the US for physicians are MDs and DOs. There are some licensed physicians in the US who graduated from foreign medical schools and have such degrees as MB BS or MB BCh, etc.

No chiropractor I've ever heard of is going to be administering IVs.

#116 Zenob

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 01:59 AM

There's a doctor about 30 miles away from
your house in Conway, NH. Not sure if he
practises IV C.

Tim Douglas, DC


DCs are chiropractors not physicians. The only degrees granted in the US for physicians are MDs and DOs. There are some licensed physicians in the US who graduated from foreign medical schools and have such degrees as MB BS or MB BCh, etc.

No chiropractor I've ever heard of is going to be administering IVs.



Chiropractors are the new witch doctors. They are getting more and more involved with various forms of CAM(woo). They are administering chelation and all matter of things in their offices now a days that they have zero business even attempting.

#117 Mike Perry

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 07:46 AM

Cryopreservation is something we must not overlook but prepare for. As it turns out, the prospects for storing William outside of CI for any time (other than very briefly at a mortuary) are not good, despite some optimism I had earlier. We must raise the funds for a CI suspension. So far we have about $12-13K or about 40% of the total needed. That's incredible, when you think about it, but we must not stop there. I just sent in another $1,000. I hope others will be able to donate something. This is the "season for giving"--maybe you can pass up buying something you can do without to help this cause. Even a few dollars each from enough people will add up. To donate you can go to http://www.venturist.org/ or http://www.quantium.....com/venturist/ . Or make out a check to Society for Venturism, with "O'Rights fund" or "O'Rights" in the memo field, and send to

Society for Venturism
11255 SSR 69
Mayer, AZ 86333

Thanks for any help you can give.

MP

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 08:05 AM

I'm not sure if it would be of any use, but if things are looking truly desperate I am technically trained to administer IV's, although the legalities of it are somewhat complicated as an EMT/Paramedic in training. I can perform procedures under medical direction so hypothetically a doctor from anywhere could give the order. By the end of today I'll be on winter break for the next few weeks and if need be I could take a little road trip; but I imagine if the IV is the only issue there are plenty of people closer who could do this. Of course, I do also know CPR, resuscitation etc. but I hope it won't come to that. Given my relatively minimal level of training (compared to, say, a doctor) and experience, I'm really putting this out there if nothing else works out.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 09:19 AM

I should have added in the last post that the Society for Venturism is a 501c3 organization and contributions are tax deductible.

MP

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 09:57 AM

DCs are chiropractors not physicians. The only degrees
granted in the US for physicians are MDs and DOs. There are
some licensed physicians in the US who graduated from foreign
medical schools and have such degrees as MB BS or MB BCh, etc.

No chiropractor I've ever heard of is going to be
administering IVs.


Chiropractors are the new witch doctors. They are
getting more and more involved with various forms of
CAM(woo). They are administering chelation and all
matter of things in their offices now a days that they
have zero business even attempting.



Bill's oncologist, Kurt Ebrahim, at Maine Medical Center
in Portland and also attached to the Maine Cancer Center
in Scarborough, is actually an osteopath (DO).

http://my.mmc.org/ap...physicianID=988


http://www.mccm.org/...y...am&id=31129


So is Matthew Dugan, director of the amrubicin study
at Maine Cancer Center.

http://www.mccm.org/...y...am&id=36255


I never knew that osteopaths in the US were allowed to
practise a field as specialized and critical as oncology ?




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