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#1 Cephalon

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 09:07 PM


Were you aware about the connection between probiotics and cognition?

I just read a post on livingthecrway.com called "probiotics for mental health".

I checked google scholar and found some studies showing, there are probiotics producing var. neurotransmitters.



The Production of Acetylcholine by a Strain of Lactobacillus plantaru

Production of γ-aminobutyric acid (GABA) by Lactobacillus paracasei isolated from traditional fermented foods


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A probiotic/ parasitic approach : neuroparasites + tapeworms for cr

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 09:53 AM

Nice find! I just started taking Lactobacillus recently, but I had no idea it could affect the brain. Very interesting. I'll probably research this more when I have the time, but here's a few studies on cognition and mood:

Impact of consuming a milk drink containing a probiotic on mood and cognition.
Benton D, Williams C, Brown A.

For a 3-week period, either a probiotic containing milk drink, or a placebo, were consumed daily. Mood and cognition were measured at baseline, and after 10 and 20 days of consumption.

When those in the bottom third of the depressed/elated dimension at baseline were considered, they selectively responded by reporting themselves as happy rather than depressed after taking the probiotic.

An unexpected and possibly chance finding was that the consumption of probiotics resulted in a slightly-poorer performance on two measures of memory.

PMID: 17151594





Assessment of psychotropic-like properties of a probiotic formulation (Lactobacillus helveticus R0052 and Bifidobacterium longum R0175) in rats and human subjects.
Messaoudi M, Lalonde R, Violle N, Javelot H, Desor D, Nejdi A, Bisson JF, Rougeot C, Pichelin M, Cazaubiel M, Cazaubiel JM.

In a previous clinical study, a probiotic formulation (PF) consisting of Lactobacillus helveticus R0052 and Bifidobacterium longum R0175 (PF) decreased stress-induced gastrointestinal discomfort. Emerging evidence of a role for gut microbiota on central nervous system functions therefore suggests that oral intake of probiotics may have beneficial consequences on mood and psychological distress. The aim of the present study was to investigate the anxiolytic-like activity of PF in rats, and its possible effects on anxiety, depression, stress and coping strategies in healthy human volunteers. In the preclinical study, rats were daily administered PF for 2 weeks and subsequently tested in the conditioned defensive burying test, a screening model for anti-anxiety agents. In the clinical trial, volunteers participated in a double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomised parallel group study with PF administered for 30 d and assessed with the Hopkins Symptom Checklist (HSCL-90), the Hospital Anxiety and Depression Scale (HADS), the Perceived Stress Scale, the Coping Checklist (CCL) and 24 h urinary free cortisol (UFC). Daily subchronic administration of PF significantly reduced anxiety-like behaviour in rats (P < 0·05) and alleviated psychological distress in volunteers, as measured particularly by the HSCL-90 scale (global severity index, P < 0·05; somatisation, P < 0·05; depression, P < 0·05; and anger-hostility, P < 0·05), the HADS (HADS global score, P < 0·05; and HADS-anxiety, P < 0·06), and by the CCL (problem solving, P < 0·05) and the UFC level (P < 0·05). L. helveticus R0052 and B. longum R0175 taken in combination display anxiolytic-like activity in rats and beneficial psychological effects in healthy human volunteers.

PMID: 20974015


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Posted 12 November 2011 - 11:28 AM

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I made a topic about probiotics - anxiety/depression connection a while ago.

do probiotics need to be taken constantly or you can take them for a month or two to grow new gutflora and then these bacteria procreate without outside help?

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 04:59 PM

Hi Chrono,

Great episode, wasn't it :)
I totaly missed the topic you linked. Very interesting stuff!
Thats a new topic I need to read about. As you mentioned, scientists can learn alot from this little bugs when designing their nanobots!
Which product do you take?


Hi Hippocampus,

Actualy I'm not sure. I was thinking about that as well.
My girlfriend who studies medicine is concerned that I take them everyday, since the jarrow formula has so many strains in it.
But she is concerned about all supplements I take, so she is probably not so neutral.

I must admit, that I felt a mood lift after taking the Jarrow Dophilus for a while, but that is much likely placebo.
But again, who knows ...

Edited by Cephalon, 13 November 2011 - 04:59 PM.


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Posted 14 November 2011 - 05:46 AM

I must admit, that I felt a mood lift after taking the Jarrow Dophilus for a while, but that is much likely placebo.
But again, who knows ...


I assume you are talking about Jarro-Dophilus EPS. It has Lactobacillus helveticus R0052, which is part of the probiotic mixture of the 2nd abstract chrono posted. It does not have R0175, but it does contain Bifidobacterium longum BB536 (ATCC BAA-999). Nestlé has taken great interest in this Morinaga strain by looking at the number of patents including it. Some include the treatment of anxiety, so it may not be a placebo effect after all.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 04:06 PM

Hi sdxl,

Thank you for your very informative post! Unfortunately I have not much knowledge of the differnet strains.
But that whole subject sounds very interesting and promising. I definately need to extend my knowledge in that field!

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 03:30 AM

Right now I'm taking "Nature's Bounty" lactobacillus acidophilus, which I grabbed because it was on crazy sale last time I was picking up scripts at the pharmacy. The poor little devils were probably all dead before I opened the jar :sad: Based on some older threads I read last night, I think I'll probably get some Nature's Way Primadophilus the next time I place an iHerb order. It seems like a good value for the quality. It seems pretty clear that Theralac is the Cadillac of probiotics, but it's 3x more expensive.

I'm not sure if the exact strain composition is really that critical. It seems that the families have fairly similar properties in a lot of ways, so getting both lacto and bifido is probably a good place to start until there's been more conclusive research.

Here's a few more studies about neurotransmitters:

Synthesis of gamma-aminobutyric acid by lactic acid bacteria isolated from a variety of Italian cheeses.
Siragusa S, De Angelis M, Di Cagno R, Rizzello CG, Coda R, Gobbetti M.

The concentrations of gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) in 22 Italian cheese varieties that differ in several technological traits markedly varied from 0.26 to 391 mg kg(-1)...Lactobacillus paracasei PF6, Lactobacillus delbrueckii subsp. bulgaricus PR1, Lactococcus lactis PU1, Lactobacillus plantarum C48, and Lactobacillus brevis PM17 were the best GABA-producing strains during fermentation of reconstituted skimmed milk.


Production of gamma-aminobutyric acid by Lactobacillus brevis NCL912 using fed-batch fermentation.
Li H, Qiu T, Huang G, Cao Y.

A simple and effective fed-batch fermentation method was developed for Lb. brevis NCL912 to produce gamma-aminobutyric acid. The results reveal that Lb. brevis NCL912 exhibits a great application potential in large-scale fermentation for the production of gamma-aminobutyric acid.


I'm not sure if these neurotransmitter studies really mean much...after all, these bacteria exist in the stomach, and most neurotransmitters can't cross the BBB. However, there are studies showing a central effect, and this one demonstrates a pathway:

Ingestion of Lactobacillus strain regulates emotional behavior and central GABA receptor expression in a mouse via the vagus nerve.
Bravo JA, Forsythe P, Chew MV, Escaravage E, Savignac HM, Dinan TG, Bienenstock J, Cryan JF.

There is increasing, but largely indirect, evidence pointing to an effect of commensal gut microbiota on the central nervous system (CNS). However, it is unknown whether lactic acid bacteria such as Lactobacillus rhamnosus could have a direct effect on neurotransmitter receptors in the CNS in normal, healthy animals. GABA is the main CNS inhibitory neurotransmitter and is significantly involved in regulating many physiological and psychological processes. Alterations in central GABA receptor expression are implicated in the pathogenesis of anxiety and depression, which are highly comorbid with functional bowel disorders. In this work, we show that chronic treatment with L. rhamnosus (JB-1) induced region-dependent alterations in GABA(B1b) mRNA in the brain with increases in cortical regions (cingulate and prelimbic) and concomitant reductions in expression in the hippocampus, amygdala, and locus coeruleus, in comparison with control-fed mice. In addition, L. rhamnosus (JB-1) reduced GABA(Aα2) mRNA expression in the prefrontal cortex and amygdala, but increased GABA(Aα2) in the hippocampus. Importantly, L. rhamnosus (JB-1) reduced stress-induced corticosterone and anxiety- and depression-related behavior. Moreover, the neurochemical and behavioral effects were not found in vagotomized mice, identifying the vagus as a major modulatory constitutive communication pathway between the bacteria exposed to the gut and the brain. Together, these findings highlight the important role of bacteria in the bidirectional communication of the gut-brain axis and suggest that certain organisms may prove to be useful therapeutic adjuncts in stress-related disorders such as anxiety and depression.


It's interesting to me that these bacteria can both synthesize GABA directly, and also make changes to the brain's GABA mRNA (the signal molecules responsible for causing GABA production) expression in different regions. This is a fairly new area for serious research, so hopefully the finer mechanisms will be elucidated soon.

And some neuroprotection:

Lactobacillus helveticus and Bifidobacterium longum taken in combination reduce the apoptosis propensity in the limbic system after myocardial infarction in a rat model.
Girard SA, Bah TM, Kaloustian S, Lada-Moldovan L, Rondeau I, Tompkins TA, Godbout R, Rousseau G.

Myocardial infarction (MI) stimulates the release of pro-inflammatory substances that induce apoptosis in the limbic system. Pro-inflammatory cytokines are considered as the root cause of apoptosis, although the mechanism is not fully explained and/or understood at this time. In addition, depression may induce gastrointestinal perturbations that maintain the elevated levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines. It has been shown that some specific probiotic formulations may reduce gastrointestinal problems induced by stress and the pro/anti-inflammatory cytokine ratio. Therefore, we hypothesised that probiotics, when given prophylactically, may diminish the apoptosis propensity in the limbic system following a MI. Male adult Sprague-Dawley rats were given probiotics (Lactobacillus helveticus and Bifidobacterium longum in combination) or placebo in their drinking-water for four consecutive weeks. A MI was then induced in the rats by occluding the left anterior coronary artery for 40 min. Rats were killed following a 72 h reperfusion period. Infarct size was not different in the two groups. Bax/Bcl-2 (pro-apoptotic/anti-apoptotic) ratio and caspase-3 (pro-apoptotic) activity were reduced in the amygdala (lateral and medial), as well as in the dentate gyrus in the probiotics group when compared with the placebo. Akt activity (anti-apoptotic) was increased in these same three regions. No significant difference was observed in Ca1 and Ca3 for the different markers measured. In conclusion, the probiotics L. helveticus and B. longum, given in combination as preventive therapy, reduced the predisposition of apoptosis found in different cerebral regions following a MI.


And a few on the so-called "gut-brain axis" in general:

Is there a 'gut-brain-skin axis'?

Acne vulgaris, probiotics and the gut-brain-skin axis - back to the future?


And here's some threads about probiotics in general: [1] [2] [3] [4]

Edited by chrono, 15 November 2011 - 05:15 AM.


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Posted 15 November 2011 - 03:42 AM

Great thread, I'd love to know what's the most potent brand for the money.

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 05:09 AM

Great thread, I'd love to know what's the most potent brand for the money.


The Nature's Way product I linked to was recommended some years ago by Zoolander as the best alternative to Theralac. It contains 5 billion CFUs, is stored refrigerated, is enterically coated, and has two strains each of lacto and bifido. Three months for $15. If anyone knows of something better for cheaper, I'd like to hear about it too.
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 10:41 AM

What do you think of the Jarrow Dophilus EPS product? It's just stored at room temperature. Is that a bad sign? It's prety expensive in Europe. I paid 25usd/month supply.
I would realy appreciate a cheaper solution, though I trust in Jarrow products.
I will check if the Natures Way product is available in the EU for less.

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 10:08 PM

I just started eating my homemade (homegrown) organic sauerkraut because of the nutritional benefits. I used to hate sauerkraut when I was younger because it was...well....sour. Now I grow the cabbage in my garden and use a recipe with not as much salt as the mass produced stuff. Good to know that it is a probiotic as well. I was rather jazzed by the fact that it only has about 4 grams (net) carbs per cup. It is filling (high water weight), so it helps me keep my calories down. I was rather dismayed when one source I found claimed it was more like 8.5 grams carbs per cup, which is a little higher than I would like. Does anyone have a definitive answer on the amount of carbs in a cup of sauerkraut.

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 11:56 PM

That Jarrow product looks pretty nice, too. It's more expensive at iHerb, but Nutrition Geeks have 120 for $22 shipped. It has two more strain families that I haven't seen mentioned in this context. I've read a few reports of people getting brain fog with the products containing 8 different probiotics, so I guess that might be more of a risk. I'm also curious about how "stabilized" these things really are; even Theralac says theirs is only shelf stable for 30 days.

Edited by chrono, 16 November 2011 - 12:00 AM.


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Posted 16 November 2011 - 12:51 AM

Sauerkraut isn't the only good probiotic drink. You can make a ton of your own probiotic drinks that can replace sugary sodas. One that I make on my own right now is kombucha. It's pretty fun to see the thing grow, but a bit of a warning: the store-bought ones will most likely taste better than your 1st batch. The thing is that there are two fermentations that can be tough to time right. The first one involves the aerobic metabolism of the SCOBY and the second involves the anaerobic metabolism (which makes it nice and fizzy). If you put too much sugar, which you need when you first start a culture, it will taste like strong vinegar.

To incubate a SCOBY, buy a store-bought kombucha and drink a little (preferably original flavour, since some flavours such as ginger make the culture weak) and dump the rest in some cool sweet tea for about a week. You can find good guides for making it on-line. Also, the flavours such as ginger or other fruit juices are typically added in the second fermentation without the SCOBY, otherwise it loses the flavour (found this out the hard way when I tried a ton of home-made carrot juice). As for the sweetener, molasses can add good vitamins to your drink (though make note of the sugar densities of sweeteners, some have more than others). And make sure that you only use glass or ceramics for it, lest you want plastic or metal leeching into your drink.

The other probiotic drinks I want to try making is water kefir and milk kefir (I've only tried the water kefir). Also, make sure that your drink has a live culture and isn't pasteurised, I usually get mine from the whole foods market.

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 06:56 AM

I was rather dismayed when one source I found claimed it was more like 8.5 grams carbs per cup, which is a little higher than I would like. Does anyone have a definitive answer on the amount of carbs in a cup of sauerkraut.


This nice summary by some nutrition PhDs says that a cup contains 10g carbohydrates. Also 2/3 the daily recommended sodium, which surprised me. Not sure how 'definite' that answer is (i.e. how much variation is possible via different preparation variables), but it was the most scholarly I could find.

I tried some homemade sauerkraut at a friend's house for the first time a few weeks ago...I think it would take a while to grow on me :wacko:

Edited by chrono, 16 November 2011 - 09:32 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2011 - 04:48 PM

Hi,
I have been eating Probiotics for maybe 5 years. The specific Lactobacillus is Lactobacillus acidophilus (17%), Lactobacillus plantarum(17%), Bifidobacterium bifidum(not a Lactobacillus)(17%), Lactobacillus casei (12%), Lactobacillus rhamnosus(12%), Bifidobacterium longum(12%), Bifidobacterium lactis (12%).

it's 5 billion bacterious per dose and then the percentage is above...

Someone asked if one later on could skip taking probiotics when it's come to the gut flora and have gotten a "stronghold". My impression is that it can't survive for long periods.
Generally it's the probiotic effect on the immune system. Since 70% of all bacterias gets into the stomach when it finds it way into our bodies. It has helped alot for me to stay healthy from regular colds...
It's also as far as I know the only treatment if your baby has colic. Since that is some kind of stomach/digest problem.

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 09:36 PM

I was rather dismayed when one source I found claimed it was more like 8.5 grams carbs per cup, which is a little higher than I would like. Does anyone have a definitive answer on the amount of carbs in a cup of sauerkraut.


This nice summary by some nutrition PhDs says that a cup contains 10g carbohydrates. Also 2/3 the daily recommended sodium, which surprised me. Not sure how 'definite' that answer is (i.e. how much variation is possible via different preparation variables), but it was the most scholarly I could find.

I tried some homemade sauerkraut at a friend's house for the first time a few weeks ago...I think it would take a while to grow on me :wacko:


Thanks so much for the info Chrono! But darn, now up to 10 grams of carbs, lol. I think some of the references use a net figure because it takes more energy to digest (like celery). I am not concerned about the sodium content because I make my own with less salt.

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 09:58 PM

ive searched the old probiotic threads here and yeah it seems like theralac and natures way are pretty good brands, but in most of the healthfood stores in my town they always have Renew Life Ultimate Flora 50 bil. What do you guys think of that? On their website they said they won some magazine award as best supp if that even matters. But its got like 5 diff strains (dunno if they are the super benefitial ones) and enteric coating to get it pass stomach acids. Its one of the refrigerated ones so it can probably guarantee live cultures (even says so on box).

Also i read some1s opinion/fact that probiotics arent beneficial if you dont take more than like a billion or something? Is that true or a not very researched statement?

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 09:02 PM

In addition to sauerkraut, kombucha, yoghurt, and kefir, pickles are also probiotic (as long as they are not pasteurized).

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 10:55 PM

The problem with a lot of probiotics is that we have no idea about the sub-strain. Currently, I am making yogurt using Activia as a starter, taking Lactobacillus plantarum 299v twice a week, and taking the prebiotics inulin and lactoferrin. Hopefully, we will get more researched sub-strains appearing in our supplements, but until then forking over the money or creating your own fermented food might be the way to go.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 December 2011 - 10:56 PM.


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Posted 23 December 2011 - 04:01 AM

The problem with a lot of probiotics is that we have no idea about the sub-strain. Currently, I am making yogurt using Activia as a starter, taking Lactobacillus plantarum 299v twice a week, and taking the prebiotics inulin and lactoferrin. Hopefully, we will get more researched sub-strains appearing in our supplements, but until then forking over the money or creating your own fermented food might be the way to go.


I don't know what you mean by "sub-strains". It is genus, species, strain as outlined on this page. Live cultures are not necessarily probiotics, their health benefits must be validated.

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Posted 23 December 2011 - 04:19 AM

Not to be the alarmist, but don't pickled foods have high nitrite content?

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 06:14 AM

I don't know what you mean by "sub-strains". It is genus, species, strain as outlined on this page. Live cultures are not necessarily probiotics, their health benefits must be validated.

Yep, I mean strain. I also agree with the validation. What I propose is to ferment food using the strains you want as the starter. You can buy the strain once and have a good cheap supply while controlling the nutrient profile.

Side note:
This is a pretty good review of probiotics in general (PDF):
hrcak.srce.hr/file/92463





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