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[NootropicDiscovery]

Dear forum readers,

I have got a rather simple question for you. What if a healthy person takes Antipsychotic. Does it would have
disaster results in contrast with people who really need it ?

And does somebody know a alternative medication for Antipsychotic ?

[Reformed-Redan]

I'd like to ask why would a healthy person want to take an Antipsychotic?

[NootropicDiscovery]

By mistake of the doctor for example ?

[jadamgo]

This is, unfortunately, done very commonly. Some doctors prescribe Seroquel (quetiapine) as a sleep aid. Even worse, many old people with dementia are given strong antipsychotics to keep them in bed all day so they don't wander around and cause trouble for caretakers. This occurs despite the dramatically increased confusion, risk of falling, and risk of sudden death.

Since there are no benefits to taking antipsychotics in the absence of psychosis or highly treatment-resistant affective disorders, there are only side effects. They get worse with increasing dosage and drug potency. Low doses usually just cause sedation, apathy, and cognitive impairment. Higher doses can cause very painful muscle cramps or an extremely uncomfortable form of restlessness called akathisia.

Healthy people have no good reason to take antipsychotic drugs, and even people on the psychotic spectrum should take the minimum dose possible.

[NootropicDiscovery]

Thanks allot for the information. The deal is, they about to give me some antipyschotica. The reason they want to give me those is because of
dysfunctional executive functions. That they say it is caused by a pyschose and it will set the executive functions back to normal. Now I´m scared
if I go trough with it....the antipyschotics will damage me even more ? Because besides memory and dysfunctional executive functions, I don´t get
the feeling I´m having a pyschose, cause I don´t have any symptoms..
( I only said I was scared for something, what they saw as the evidence for the pyschose)

I really hope you could give me the answer to this question... Will antipyschotics repair executive functions in some cases or even make it worse ?

[Tom_]

Would you be happy sharing more details of what you are scared of?

Do you have problems with; sleeping (to much or to little, broken sleep)? seeing or hearing things other people aren't or say they aren't? lots of anxiety? changes in appetite? get very depressed or feel very agitated or excited? having thoughts of beliefs most people disagree with? problems focusing? when in a busy environment you become distressed?

[NootropicDiscovery]

I only have problem with focus, thats about it. And the scared thing is personal but everyone is from time to time scared of or for something.

My main problem is dysfunctional executive functions. And now I´m figuring out if it could be a
pyschose and if yes... does the antipyschotic will bring back my executive functions to normal height ? or will it make it worse...

[Tom_]

That is true. However if that fear is irrational and you don't recognize that it is an irrational fear of a delusional proportion then you will be diagnosed with psychosis and most likely treated with an antipsychotic.

For example if you are scared people are reading your mind, you are most likely psychotic unless people where you live (in your case, sweden whom don't) believe in telepathy. On the other hand if you are scared of a dog then you are likely not going to be psychotic.

Anti-psychotics can be prescribed in totally treatment resistant anxiety disorders and this could be a reason. However you mentioned executive dysfunction (something I can't imagine a psychiatrist diagnosing as its not an accepted diagnosis) and not a major symptom of anxiety problems.

Executive dysfunction is one of the cardinal symptoms of psychosis - causing hallucinations, delusions etc...and there is good evidence in psychosis induced executive dysfunction anti-psychotics will make a positive difference, often drastically.

[jadamgo]

Antipsychotics can improve executive function in people with active psychotic or manic symptoms. In people without such symptoms, they usually cause temporary impairment of executive function. Once a healthy person stops taking the antipsychotic, everything goes back to normal.

The crucial question here is what kind of fear you have. Is it more consistent with an anxiety disorder or with paranoia? What sorts of things are you scared might happen? What makes the fear worse, and what gives you relief from it?

[NootropicDiscovery]

Marijuana gives me relief from it and it is based on paranoia. So I get why the doctor jumps to the pyschosis conclusion. Only I think he just doesn´t know the
answer. Like very hyperactief/busy childeren always are labeled as ADHD of some sort. (Which in allot cases)

[Tom_]

Very hyperactive/busy children tend to have ADHD.

I would stop the Gangja and try a low dose anti-psychotic. Aripiprazole if he's willing to prescribe it. Whether its an anxiety disorder or subclinical signs of psychosis its likely to respond to this drug. Its also the kindest of the antipsychotics and works as much like an antidepressant as a anti-psychotic. very effective in a range of problems and surprisingly safe.

Edited by Tom_, 28 March 2013 - 11:25 AM.

[NootropicDiscovery]

Thanks for the information !

And in my opinion there still childeren who are hyperactive that don´t have ADHD. And those get medication aswell because
ADHD seems to be the magic word lately.

[hadora]

Marijuana gives me relief from it and it is based on paranoia. So I get why the doctor jumps to the pyschosis conclusion. Only I think he just doesn´t know the
answer. Like very hyperactief/busy childeren always are labeled as ADHD of some sort. (Which in allot cases)

You should stop smoking cannabis or it will likely worsen your paranoia even if you think that it giving you relief
it can bring schizophrenia in susceptible person. and you seem like one

psychotic persons often self medicate with cannabis because it give them relief probably because of the Cannabidiol that is present in the cannabis which have Anti-psychotic and Anxiolytic proprieties but this is a mistake because Cannabis contain alot more THC than Cannabidiol (CBD) which increase paranoia and psychotic symptoms

Edited by hadora, 31 March 2013 - 01:46 PM.

[Reformed-Redan]

Marijuana gives me relief from it and it is based on paranoia. So I get why the doctor jumps to the pyschosis conclusion. Only I think he just doesn´t know the
answer. Like very hyperactief/busy childeren always are labeled as ADHD of some sort. (Which in allot cases)

You should stop smoking cannabis or it will likely worsen your paranoia even if you think that it giving you relief
it can bring schizophrenia in susceptible person. and you seem like one

psychotic persons often self medicate with cannabis because it give them relief probably because of the Cannabidiol that is present in the cannabis which have Anti-psychotic and Anxiolytic proprieties but this is a mistake because Cannabis contain alot more THC than Cannabidiol (CBD) which increase paranoia and psychotic symptoms

Unless you grow very high CBD strains with virtually no thc. Check the new ac/dc cannabis strain or a new strain from Israel, avidekel.

[NootropicDiscovery]

Thank you for all the reactions ! I did discover caffein seem to improve the executive functions a little bit.

[Reformed-Redan]

Thank you for all the reactions ! I did discover caffein seem to improve the executive functions a little bit.

If you're looking at attenuating executive functions the Uridine stack and CILEP stack would be much much better than antipsychotics that just zombify you. Uridine modulates DA neurons in the PFC. CILEP helps with executive functioning. If you use kanna as your PDE4 inhibitor then you'll get the added benefit of increased serotonin levels that should lower dopamine levels if you believe they're too high.