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[qlawi90]

Hi over there!

I wanted to ask if u guys could look at my study stack. I take this at the morning, directly, when i wake up, without eating/drinking something.
When i use this, i start feeling alert in the morning, and i feel myself very comfortable in social situations, and it lookes like i feel the whole more intense. I started taking this for like 5 days now. I wanted to know if i this is the right dosage? Soon i need to study alot of books.

2g of DHA, 250 mg Choline Bitartrate and 250 mg uridine (under the tongue) and 200 mg caffeine and 400 mg l-theanine.

I was wondering to add phenlypiracetam(liftmode), because before it didnt worked at all.

Sorry for my (poor/beginner's/basic) English.

[GoingPrimal]

As a basic studying stack, that should be pretty good. The theanine/caffeine combo itself is pretty solid, as are DHA, Uridine and Choline.

I haven't tried phenylpiracetam but have heard mainly good things. One thing to be aware of is it's stimulating effects tend to subside after a few days of back-to-back usage. I've used piracetam and aniracetam to good results, noopept and sunifram a bit hit or miss, and pramiracetam was hard to put my finger on.

You could look into a good extracted lion's mane product, to increase neuronal growth. Obligatory-but-oh-so-important make sure your diet and exercise is on point comment (so much more important than many realize).

I've found the simpler stacks to be more efficient than some of the massive stacks. A bit of caffeine, some theanine, a 'racetam or two, and something like lion's mane, or bacopa. Omega 3s and choline are in my diet already. Maybe a bit of nicotine gum during cramming for a test and during the actual test itself (state-dependent learning).

[qlawi90]

Thanks for your reply. Do you have any good supplier for lion's mane?

[GoingPrimal]

mushroomharvest.com has a good extract I've used, a pound of powdered extract for 30 bucks, they also have capsules. Mushroom Science and Fungi Perfecti are both reputable brands as well, but I haven't used them.

I'm able to find lion's manes mushrooms at my local grocer sometimes, they sell them as "pom pom" mushrooms. They're soft and tasty, and I've also made an alcohol extract of the whole mushrooms from the store. You may be able to find them locally as well depending on your grocer, saves you a few bucks and are a good addition to meals.

Let us know in a few weeks how your stack works out!

[qlawi90]

I am located in the EU. My local grocer dont gets any new stock anymore, i dont know why. Its pretty hard to get any source here in the EU. If anyone has any shop who ships international, please.
I start adding exercise and diet, i hope to post results in two weeks.

[ichivictus]

I too recently started the DHA + Uridine + Choline stack. I was told to take just the DHA + Uridine for a week or two before using Choline though. Also, I heard from MrHappy's thread that mixing caffeine with that stack isn't the best idea, not sure exactly why though.

 

How are you taking 2g of DHA? Liquid, diet, pills, or mix of all? Seems like a lot and it's not that cheap when taking quality supplements for it. Personally, I am only taking 800mg daily. Often I eat a can of sardines which is like 1g in DHA which just adds to the 800mg.

[qlawi90]

I too recently started the DHA + Uridine + Choline stack. I was told to take just the DHA + Uridine for a week or two before using Choline though. Also, I heard from MrHappy's thread that mixing caffeine with that stack isn't the best idea, not sure exactly why though.

 

How are you taking 2g of DHA? Liquid, diet, pills, or mix of all? Seems like a lot and it's not that cheap when taking quality supplements for it. Personally, I am only taking 800mg daily. Often I eat a can of sardines which is like 1g in DHA which just adds to the 800mg.

 

 

 

The reason why i add caffeine to this stack, is cause of the alertness of the combination with theanine.

 

I am taking DHA pills from nowfoods. Anyway i posted this review in the mr happy topic, im thinking to add zinc+tmg soon and try to stop with smoking as well, ill hope to post positive results in a week. Could you give us a review ?

 

 

 

 

I started with this stack two weeks ago. I want to be honest in my review as i got different feelings from this stack so its a bit hard to describe my feelings.
In the first few days, i noticed great mood in the morning, very alert instant after wake up, i was able to handle social situation better then ever before. I could easy get my task list done. This stack might also increase analyze cability, for me it felt like it did.
My sleep was deeper, and was be able to wake up earlier. I felt comfortable with this type of mood, My diet was ok, ,sport exercise (cardio), and sleep at time. I noticed that sleep is like 120% of this stack, cause when i start sleeping late, the stack didnt work anymore as it was before.
Since 3 days i aint feeling the same mood or drive anymore, maybe because my sleep changed, maybe cause i didnt sport this week, but also im thinking that the dosage wont anymore work at this level.  I know from the last expierence of yesterday that i was so tired, that i didnt feel anything the whole day. I couldnt be sharp the whole day, whatever i did or want for it.

I want keep the same resulfts or long term, so i might need to higher the dosages. What do you guys think? I want to have more focus, a deeper motivation, more alertness and if possible, cognitive growth, thats the most important for me.

stack in the morning : 2g of DHA, 250 mg Choline Bitartrate and 250 mg uridine  and 200 mg caffeine and 400 mg l-theanine.          

Edited by qlawi90, 08 April 2014 - 11:33 AM.

[ichivictus]

I'll give a review after I start taking choline for a while. I woke up almost fully alert just an hour ago at 6 am. Weird. Usually I don't get up till 9 or 10 am even if I went to bed before midnight. Not only that, but I feel more motivated in general too. It's a good thing since this quarter is going to be stressful. Engi physics + calc 3 :/

[Alpha_Master]

I noticed that I retain more material when I took piracetam and took "micronaps" about 1-2 minutes every 10 minutes of studying I did.

[AmpleBeingdotcom]

OP have you ever experimented with an LTP (Artichoke + Forskolin) stack before?

 

I have been experimenting and taking our version of the stack for a year and have had some pretty consistent results.

 

Could be good for studying/retaining information which is what you are looking for.

[ModaMinds]

Phenylpiracetam can be essential for neuroplasticity and information retention, which is incredibly important given you are studying I assume for finals, so it would be best to add this to your stack. You said before you didn't notice an effect, but how long did you use it for? Sometime it can take up to two weeks for the full effects of piracetam or phenylpiracetam to be noticed. Also you can try modafinil from ModaMind if needing an added boost for school.

[qlawi90]

Let me update. I noticed from this stack a deep change in my emotions. More neutral en positive emotions then before. No any singel symptom of depressive emotions at all. I felt a congnitive change, i could read books which other students take 6 weeks the time for, in a day! I saw my results from school and they were pretty good for a lazy person as i am. My sleep is much better recovering. I also stoped smoking for like 10 days now. As i stoped before in january and couldnt stop more then 7days, i think this stacked helped me this time. I also add a good diet and lots of exercise. So i think this stack has short term results, which you feel immediately, and have longterm results like the stop of smoking, the positive drive to change to a healthy life. Before i was some kind of alcoholic, and i have smoked for like 8 years. My body is still changing at the moment (in positive way) and i want to workout this stack much better, cause for me it felt like the best stack ever, even when i never saw any other stacks before. This week will order some new supplements like zinc to my stack, and will try to change the results in a more postive way, and update it again!

[qlawi90]

Phenylpiracetam can be essential for neuroplasticity and information retention, which is incredibly important given you are studying I assume for finals, so it would be best to add this to your stack. You said before you didn't notice an effect, but how long did you use it for? Sometime it can take up to two weeks for the full effects of piracetam or phenylpiracetam to be noticed. Also you can try modafinil from ModaMind if needing an added boost for school.

 

 

I got like 20 grams over here, but i dont bother using it. It might help in the last days before the finals, as phenylpiracetam keeps you awake more then modafinel as example. Im not a big fan of Modafinil, because its builds very fast tolerance and has some negative side effects.
 

[qlawi90]

OP have you ever experimented with an LTP (Artichoke + Forskolin) stack before?

 

I have been experimenting and taking our version of the stack for a year and have had some pretty consistent results.

 

Could be good for studying/retaining information which is what you are looking for.

 

Nope, i didnt, do you have any good supplier for that? I might try to add it tho this current stack, and remove theanine+caffeine on daily usage.

Edited by qlawi90, 20 April 2014 - 10:11 AM.

[Ritchie]

You could also try supplementing with dopamine precursors such as L-tyrosine(weak) or Mucuna Pruriens(Strong). If you're using them in the short term then it should be fine but long term use warrants supplementing with a serotonin precursor because dopamine depletes serotonin. Also you could try adding in an antioxidant(cysteine for example) as they are always good. Also choline bitartate barely crosses the BBB so don't expect any nootropic effects, i heard citicoline is better for this. Also have you looked at sulbutiamine, it is a modified version of vitamin B1 to enter the brain faster than regular B1, and it's been shown to increase memory and improve symptoms of fatigue.

[qlawi90]

I started adding the following supplements to my current studystack and removed caffeine/l-theanine from the list and add 50mg extra of urdidine and choline.

 

 

50 mg Zinc Picolinate

1,000 mg TMG

1vcap Magnesium Citrate

1 multivitamine

1000 mcg Methyl B-12

D-1000, D3, Extra Strength

 

+ 2g of DHA, 300 mg Choline Bitartrate and 300 mg uridine

 

 

If anyone has some better idea to use them on different times on a day or change the dosages, please post your comment.

I will post a review within a week.

Edited by qlawi90, 28 April 2014 - 02:36 PM.

[AmpleBeingdotcom]

 

OP have you ever experimented with an LTP (Artichoke + Forskolin) stack before?

 

I have been experimenting and taking our version of the stack for a year and have had some pretty consistent results.

 

Could be good for studying/retaining information which is what you are looking for.

 

Nope, i didnt, do you have any good supplier for that? I might try to add it tho this current stack, and remove theanine+caffeine on daily usage.

 

 

Do you live in the US?