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[misterE]

The basic argument of Taubes is that insulin makes the fat-cells (called adipocytes) store fat and inhibits the release of fat from the adipocyte. Since carbohydrates stimulate more insulin than both fat and protein, removing them from the diet means less insulin and with less insulin the adipocytes cannot store fat and actually makes the fat inside of them come out from storage to be used as energy. Taubes believes this is a beneficial response... but

 

 When you look at the underlining cause of diabetes, you see insulin-resistance within the adipose-tissue [1]. This means that in insulin-resistant states like diabetes, the adipocytes are unable to store fat and all the fat in storage is being liberated out for fuel. Uncontrolled diabetes is associated with increased lipolysis and elevated free-fatty-acids [2]. So how is it that an Atkins type diet is suppose to reverse diabetes like Taubes' claims? The very first study ever done on the Atkins diet back in 1980 showed that it nearly doubled the amount of FFA's in the blood [3].

 

 As well researched as Gary appears, I cannot understand how he does not realize this. Maybe one day he will read this and have an A-HA moment!

 

 [1] Int J Clin Pract Suppl. 2004 Oct;(143):9-21. Dysfunctional fat cells, lipotoxicity and type 2 diabetes. DeFronzo RA.

 

 [2] Proc Nutr Soc. 2003 Aug;62(3):753-60. Fatty acid metabolism in obesity and type 2 diabetes mellitus. Blaak EE.

 

 [3] J Am Diet Assoc. 1980 Sep;77(3):264-70. Effects of high-protein, low-carbohydrate dieting on plasma lipoproteins and body weight. Larosa JC.

 

 

 

 

Edited by misterE, 29 April 2014 - 01:51 AM.

[timar]

Gary Taubes is indeed a complete moron. It is not only that he doesn't understand nutritional science but he seems to get just everything he writes about completely wrong, although in a certain, wicked kind of entertaining, sensationalist and populist fashion (including conspiracist leanings and nasty and completely unnecessary personal attacks) that seems to make a bestselling author out of him. I'm particularly put off by his 1993 conconction of blatant ignorance, journalistic incompetence and sheer viciousness titled Bad Science: The Short Life and Weird Times of Cold Fusion, which provided a major contribution to the sad witch-hunt and character assasination job on Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons, until then two of the world's leading and most renowned electrochemists, who had dared to publicly present their enormously promising, yet highly controversial and at that time poorly reproducible obversations of a new kind of nuclear reaction spontanously taking place during electrolysis, which they coined cold fusion.

 

Because of Taubes and other poeple, among them peers of Fleischmann and Pons, cold fusion has ever since been regarded as nonesense and "pathological science", so much that any research on this phenomenon, which has the potential to end our dependence on fossil fuels and to enable an age of virtually limitless, clean energy, has effectively been hindered for 25 years. Only a few scientists had the guts and funds to carry on with low-profile research on such a tabooed subject, on a small scale and disguised under terms like LENR or condensed matter nuclear science. Yet without attracting attention they have made significant progress and we are now at a point were - unbeknownst to the scientific community, the media and the world at large - commercial viability has been reached. Such reactors have been tested and delivered megawatt-hours of clean, waste-free nuclear energy. I know for certain that a major peer-reviewed report on that technology is to be published within the next several months, and I guess that this publication will send shockwaves around the world - in the media, the scientific community and, of course, the industry. This technology could be rapidly developed, scaled up and probably deliver us from global warming, peak oil and water shortages. It may usher in a new age of abundance. But best of all: given his 1993 publication (which he will soon wish he had never written), Gary Taubes will finally be exposed as the moron he really is and noone will take him seriously anymore, regardless of whether he fancies to write about physics or nutrition or any other scientific subject

Edited by timar, 29 April 2014 - 10:24 AM.

[chemicalambrosia]

Woah Timar, that is quite a teaser for a bombshell of a revelation there. Can you tell us a little more about that? Is this research being done by a government or private firm? You're making me want to hedge my investments in oil firms...

 

Just for the record, if most people here wrote something like what you just wrote I'd just roll my eyes and ignore it.  You however, have have definitely intrigued me.

Edited by chemicalambrosia, 30 April 2014 - 03:07 AM.

[timar]

Just for the record, if most people here wrote something like what you just wrote I'd just roll my eyes and ignore it.  You however, have have definitely intrigued me.

 

And of course, that would be a perfectly reasonable response given what is publicly known (or rather believed) about cold fusion/LENR. Several years ago I was among the large majority of poeple thinking that cold fusion is "junk science" and that Fleischmann and Pons made a stupid mistake.

 

This why I usually don't tell people about this, as excited as I am about it, to avoid fruitless discussions and being regarded as gullible or even some "free energy" lunatic. It's just that the title of this topic hit some trigger in me and I couldn't contain myself any more. Sorry for that off-topic bombshell...

 

Woah Timar, that is quite a teaser for a bombshell of a revelation there. Can you tell us a little more about that? Is this research being done by a government or private firm? You're making me want to hedge my investments in oil firms...

 

 

Just follow the links I have given. lenr-canr.org is a comprehensive internet archive of papers on cold fusion/LENR and provides some introductory information as well. Mats Lewan's book An Impossible Invention was published just two weeks ago and provides the most intimate and up-to-date insight into the technology being developed by Andrea Rossi and Industrial Heat LCC - is makes a thrilling and highly recommended read. Behind Industrial Heat is the Chorekee Investment Fund. I don't think it is possible to invest there as an avarage person, they probably only take very large investments.

 

For some more condensed and accessible information, this is a rare glimpse of unbiased media coverage in CBS 60 Minutes from 2009 (the Israeli company Energetics Technologies, shown in the segment, is now continuing its work at the University of Missouri):

 

 

Michael McKubre, who is interviewed in the segment, is one of the most renowned researchers in the field and there is a one hour talk by him from 2011, that gives an excellent introduction into the research on Cold Fusion. He also briefly mentions Rossi at the end of the talk, but at that time there was still much doubt on the credibility of his claims.

 

PS: I wouldn't mind if a mod moved this to a more appropriate place

 

 

Edited by timar, 30 April 2014 - 11:44 AM.

[sensei]

Mister E unfortunately you have fallen for a logical fallacy.

 

Just because high levels of FFAs are found in diabetics it does not follow that high levels of FFAs cause diabetes.

 

Almost no copper is found in the brains of Menke's Disease victims.  Menke's disease is not caused by no copper, no copper is a symptom. The cause is faulty Cu transport across the blood brain barrier.

 

Reactive Oxygen Species are found in the mitochondria and the cytoplasm due to cellular energy production -- they are a result, not a cause.

Edited by sensei, 30 December 2014 - 01:00 AM.

[StevesPetRat]

I know for certain that a major peer-reviewed report on that technology is to be published within the next several months, and I guess that this publication will send shockwaves around the world - in the media, the scientific community and, of course, the industry.

We're still waiting. Or were you referring to that little slight-of-hand exercise in October?