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[The Brain]

Proof god created this please ?

[Danail Bulgaria]

If you want so much to believe, that the light orb is the halo on the icons, or the chariots of God, or the spirit of God, alright, believe it then. Simply explain, that this is only your oppinion, based on your views ans visions and that you have no hard evidences to support it.

Obviously you have not read the thread..Tell me about the Icon of Our Lady of Guadalupe. It is hanging in a church in Mexico City. Not my vision or opinion. But first tell me what an orb is and then we can discuss the Icon and what evidence we have.

How many times to tell you that orb is something sphere shaped.

I have red the thread. My posts are on the topic. It is your post now, that goes off-topic.

And yes, there are no evidences to support the old_school's claim, that the photographs, that he shows is the the spirit of God or the chariots of God. Read my last several posts.

[old_school]

Proof god created this please ?

 

Prove to me that you are not one of Jerry's kids.
 

[old_school]

 

 

If you want so much to believe, that the light orb is the halo on the icons, or the chariots of God, or the spirit of God, alright, believe it then. Simply explain, that this is only your oppinion, based on your views ans visions and that you have no hard evidences to support it.

Obviously you have not read the thread..Tell me about the Icon of Our Lady of Guadalupe. It is hanging in a church in Mexico City. Not my vision or opinion. But first tell me what an orb is and then we can discuss the Icon and what evidence we have.

How many times to tell you that orb is something sphere shaped.

I have red the thread. My posts are on the topic. It is your post now, that goes off-topic.

And yes, there are no evidences to support the old_school's claim, that the photographs, that he shows is the the spirit of God or the chariots of God. Read my last several posts.

 

 

There are a great number of people on the internet bearing witness that the orbs is an unknown spiritual entity. Some erroneously call them spirit orbs or angel orbs. I have provided scripture and biblical artwork to support my claims of the orbs being the Holy Spirit and chariots of God. Mystery Solved.

[Danail Bulgaria]

I already discussed the scripture, and the biblical artwork, that you provided. You simply seem blind to the absence of evidences, or this doesn't disturb you. In the first case you look like some one, who is not very intellectual, in the second case you look like a fanatic.

[old_school]

I already discussed the scripture, and the biblical artwork, that you provided. You simply seem blind to the absence of evidences, or this doesn't disturb you. In the first case you look like some one, who is not very intellectual, in the second case you look like a fanatic.

 

When it comes to spiritual things, you lack discernment and understanding and are at a huge disadvantage.
 

[The Brain]

That doesn't dismiss you're an idiot beating up a fantasy story


He's just walking you through it politely

[old_school]

That doesn't dismiss you're an idiot beating up a fantasy story


He's just walking you through it politely

 

You are a spiritual retard compared to me.
 

[shadowhawk]

Well we still have not defined what orbs we are talking about.  The sun is an orb is it not?  What ever is in Old Schools photos is...???  No one has yet shown what it isn't.  Halos are depicted in religious art for holy people who are in fact holy.  A word such as "apple" is not the same as the thing itself but a symbol of reality.  All language is this way.  A picture is not the thing its self as any fool knows.  History tells us that eye witnesses saw halos around certain people.  You haven't seen them, but there is a lot you haven't seen.  I haven't seen anyone seriously explain the photos presented by Old School yet and I myself remain unconvinced concerning the photos.  So I await His explanation.

 

What I don't like is this modern version of an old time stoning.  The crowed of mockers collect, who will throw the first stone?  Then one mad dog hurls the first one and the screaming mob of mockers all jump bravely in at once.  I AM SO IMPRESSE3D!!!  What kind of evidence do you accept?

[old_school]

I have witnessed the Holy Spirit appearing as a Halo.

[The Brain]

You'll say whatever you like to keep your stupid fantasy alive

You're a liar and crazy


Go stand on the street corner with a sign saying the end is near with the other looneys

[old_school]

Why does your location say christchurch?

[shadowhawk]

Perhaps New Zeland.  Beautiful country where they filmed Lord of The Rings.  Great Christan fairy tale.

[The Brain]

Yes NZ, also land of straight talkers who can't stand bullshittery

[shadowhawk]

Yes NZ, also land of straight talkers who can't stand bullshittery

Stop looking in the mirror.  I am surprised they have not ran you out of that beautiful place if what you are saying is true.

[Danail Bulgaria]

 

I already discussed the scripture, and the biblical artwork, that you provided. You simply seem blind to the absence of evidences, or this doesn't disturb you. In the first case you look like some one, who is not very intellectual, in the second case you look like a fanatic.

 

When it comes to spiritual things, you lack discernment and understanding and are at a huge disadvantage.
 

 

 

e.g. you confirm not having scientific evidences, and you rely on your understanding of spiritual things.
 

[shadowhawk]

By the way, what kind of scientific evidence are you looking for?

[old_school]

 

 

I already discussed the scripture, and the biblical artwork, that you provided. You simply seem blind to the absence of evidences, or this doesn't disturb you. In the first case you look like some one, who is not very intellectual, in the second case you look like a fanatic.

 

When it comes to spiritual things, you lack discernment and understanding and are at a huge disadvantage.
 

 

 

e.g. you confirm not having scientific evidences, and you rely on your understanding of spiritual things.
 

 

 

I have given you photographic evidence with scripture and biblical artwork supporting my claims.
 

[shifter]

You guys should really read the new testament in the bible, specifically the Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. You seem to look for signs to justify belief. Maybe you should listen to Jesus

Blessed are those who have not seen but believe

He took a dim view on people who tried to test him to show signs or proof and especially those who would want to see a sign, just for entertainment but still not believe.

My point is, if you are good Christians, you would not be trying g to justify your belief by looking for signs

[shadowhawk]

You should study "signs" in the New Testament it is a fascinating study.  Needless to say the new testament does not advocate blind faith.  You could preform miracles in front of mockers and they are not looking for evidence.  

[Dakman]

 

 

 

I already discussed the scripture, and the biblical artwork, that you provided. You simply seem blind to the absence of evidences, or this doesn't disturb you. In the first case you look like some one, who is not very intellectual, in the second case you look like a fanatic.

 

When it comes to spiritual things, you lack discernment and understanding and are at a huge disadvantage.
 

 

 

e.g. you confirm not having scientific evidences, and you rely on your understanding of spiritual things.
 

 

 

I have given you photographic evidence with scripture and biblical artwork supporting my claims.
 

 

So no scientific evidence, just your made up stuff and some bible stuff to try and conjure up a story.

[platypus]

 

 

 

I have given you photographic evidence with scripture and biblical artwork supporting my claims.
 

 

The orb in your photo looked identical to unfocused image through a pinhole, I saw them while sunbathing with a cotton t-shirt over my face. Your "chariots" are just optical effects, nothing to do with gods at all. 

[shadowhawk]

The mockers show no evidence of their own.  For example a claim is made that pinholes of light coming through a cotton shirt are "Identical" to your pictures.  OK lets see evidence they are.  While I am not convinced you have evidence the way you presented it, they have none.  On top of that they have not identified what orb or light they are objecting to so much for hot air.  I also noticed they don't want to talk about the Shroud or Icon you also presented.  Much evidence for Theism has been presented beside orbs which no serious mocker has dealt with.  All they can do is throw stones as a mob.  Any serious takers on one of these subjects which we have dealt with elsewhere?

 

Arguments for theism:

*    The argument from abstract objects
*    The contingency argument
*    Kalam cosmological argument
*    Fine-tuning of cosmological constants
*    Galactic, stellar and planetary fine-tuning
*    Origin of the building blocks in the simplest replicating cell(Dean Kenyon, Charles Thaxton)
*    Origin of biological information in the simplest replicating cell (Stephen C. Meyer)
*    Sudden origins of all major body plans in the 3-5 million year Cambrian explosion(Stephen C. Meyer, Jonathan Wells)
*    The moral argument (William Lane Craig)
*    The argument from near-death experiences
*    The argument from irreducibly complex molecular machines (Michael Behe)
*    The argument from evil (yes, that’s what I said)
*    The arguments from mathematical effectiveness, simplicity and beauty (Eugene Wigner)
*    The argument from the incompatibility between naturalism and rationality (Alvin Plantinga)
*    The argument from the incompatibility between naturalism and consciousness (Angus Menuge)
*    The argument from the natural limits to biological change (Ray Bohlin)
    Etc.

And then there are arguments for Christianity in particular:

*    The argument from fulfilled prophecy
*    The argument from accuracy in describing the human condition
*    The logical consistency and testability of Christianity
*    The superior moral character of authentic Christians in history
    Etc.

Historical arguments for Christianity

*    historical criteria for extracting minimal facts and the earliest evidence for the resurrection in 1 Cor 15
*    the minimal facts argument (Habermas/Craig/Licona)
*    the best explanation of the changes in the concept of resurrection (Wright)
*    the earliest sources for the empty tomb
*    the best evidences for the empty tomb, from the earliest sources

Negative apologetics
*    Kataphatic and Apophatic  

Scientific objections:

*   what about the progress of science and God-of-the-gaps?
*    doesn’t the Bible require the creation of the earth in six 24-hour days?
*    didn’t aliens seed the earth with the first life?
*    what about quantum fluctuation and chaotic inflationary models?

Philosophical objections

*    the problems of evil and suffering
*    the problem of religious pluralism and religious truth claims
*    the problem of postmodern skepticism (i.e. – the problem of wanting to be lazy and popular)
*    the problem of rational morality and purpose on atheism
*    the problem of moral relativism
*    the fate of the unevangelized (what about those who never heard of Jesus)
*    the hiddenness of God (why isn’t there more evidence for God’s existence?)
*    are all religions basically the same?
*    isn’t the doctrine of the Trinity self-contradictory?
*    can God make a rock so big he can’t lift it?
*    did God create evil?
*    who made God?
*    can people twist the Bible to mean anything?
*    who has the burden of proof?
*    what about the blind men and the elephant?
*    isn’t faith is opposed to reason and evidence? (a debate between a Christian and a postmodern relativist)
*    what makes Christianity different from other religions?

Emotional objections

*    memo to Christopher Hitchens: a sneer is not an argument

Freethought objections

*    Does Christianity or atheism justify mass murder?
*    Wasn’t Hitler a Christian? Is Christianity like Nazism?
*    Does the Bible condone slavery?

Moral issues

*    a case for the pro-life position in plain English
*    adult stem cell research is superior to embryonic stem cell research

Apologetics advocacy

    What is faith?  Does the Bible teach that faith is opposed to logic and evidence?
 

[The Brain]

And still your god is silent, you'd think with all the "evidence" you've put forward he'd just give up the silent treatment and say hello

*rolls eyes*

[shadowhawk]

Perfect example of zero content.  So you say there is no evidence and God is silent.  I have given lots of evidence so the least you can do is stop acting like a parrot and dialogue with me on any of the evidence I have presented.  Hmmmm?

[The Brain]

Ok let's do this then, to humour you I'll pretend that the "evidence" you've put forward totally, absolutely proves god beyond a shadow of a doubt.

So why then is god still absent, I mean the games up isn't it, playing hide n seek is making him look like a big dick isn't it.

Ooh, I'll just make a whole universe and these silly little humanoids and all these animals then bugger of into nowhere and leave them a book written by all sorts of weirdos with their own agendas in times to come that won't be relavent because time erodes trust and creates suspicion when viewed by modern people that look at their forbears and see that they weren't all that aware of the world around them.

But hey that's their problem they should just trust that those living in acient times with limited knowledge and different social and political and spiritual agendas to midern day people wouldn't lie or misrepresent anything or make a handbook to a faith they wanted to believe in.


I mean really, your god is a no show, how could he expect anyone to show an interest in him these days when he's not shown an interest in us?

Like I said before, your god needs an updated bible or better PR people because you whiny christians banging on and on just aren't doing it. Your own credibility as people who can be relied upon and trusted is in the toilet as you can't and don't live a christian way, you lie cheat steal rape murder and all that other nasty shit. Most of you don't even do any of the good stuff you're supposed to do as christians, you're some of the most selfish and greedy money hungry abusers of power and people tere has ever been throughout history and history to follow.

Hardly trustworthy are you as messengers of the word ......

[shadowhawk]

Nice Pretend but lets take something real.  Lets start with things that exist.

[sthira]

You rock, Brain. Well done. Well written. Again. And note how Shadowhawk won't even begin to acknowledge your honest seeking. Not a word in response. Just glaze over, move along. Haha... And then he sits back and wonders why no one engages him. Where is your God, Shadowhawk? Where? No one cares about your long lists of arguments. We care about the absence of God. Show up, God, or we'll continue to doubt your existence. What's the big deal, shy God? Do one thing to indicate to all of us that You exist. Just one! One little thing!

[shadowhawk]

You rock, Brain. Well done. Well written. Again. And note how Shadowhawk won't even begin to acknowledge your honest seeking. Not a word in response. Just glaze over, move along. Haha... And then he sits back and wonders why no one engages him. Where is your God, Shadowhawk? Where? No one cares about your long lists of arguments. We care about the absence of God. Show up, God, or we'll continue to doubt your existence. What's the big deal, shy God? Do one thing to indicate to all of us that You exist. Just one! One little thing!

 

Are you also pretending?  I think God has shown up and it was not a little thing.  There are many evidences that we can discuss.  You choose. 

[sthira]

Cool. Where is God right now?