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Thanks, basically he is on the same page as the one I linked , but enough details for a DIY approach.  Scary about ALA, i been taking it a while with several mercury fillings.

I'm sorry to hear that, at least you learned sooner than later. It is incredible how many people take ALA dangerously; there is little warning. While it is a fantastic antioxidant that is produced naturally in the body, its chelation properties can cause really awful, ugly agony (exactly like glutathione supplements, although those are usually lower dose). I know first hand from ALA and chlorella before I knew better... really painful for years; thankfully I never had amalgam fillings. There is a website called Rollsafe that recommends taking ALA when taking MDMA. While ALA is probably neuroprotective, this advice completely disregards ALA's chelation properties. ALA itself isnt a dithiol, which binds mercury and other metals, its ALA's metabolite dihydroALA that does so. The Rollsafe admin sent my info to 2 "smart scientists" he knew who said there was no proof that ALA chelated mercury and improper use would allow mercury to accumulate in the brain, where it will not leave on its own. While these properties of ALA are not mainstream knowledge, there are even a few peer reviewed studies which explain this phenomenon. Regardless of studies, any achieved chemist can look up how ALA works with the human body and mercury. The laws of nature don't change based on ignorance or personal belief. Anyway, it's very unfortunate many poison themselves with ALA. Lots use it for type 2 diabetes, which in many cases, is caused by mercury toxicity, proven by many who have reversed their diagnosis following ACC. I run a health group and everyone whos tried it, sees huge results from ACC

To bring it back to the topic, chelation has offered me the greatest testosterone gains of any supplement/therapy. Otherwise, only real supplement I'd recommend for test, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, is Pine Pollen. Stephen Buhner has written two books about Pine Pollen/Testosterone. Can find them on libgen or Amazon.

Don't even bother with ALA or any other supplement for chelation.

As far as mercury and other heavy metal detox goes, Zeolite trumps all.

ACZ Nano Zeolite spray works well enough.

Zeolite is either expensive contaminated dirt or heavily processed dirt, like the product you recommend. It by no means chelates mercury in the conditions of the human body, certainly not from cns/past bbb.
Most Zeolite products are MLM "scams" too.
Some people feel boost from them, but it's not from chelating mercury. They're added to some cattle feed because they can positively modulate dysbiosis.
This is getting off topic, but if you want to discuss this you can PM me or make a new thread and @ me.

Denying ALA power, just to praise Zeolit, lmao.

What does ACC abbreviate?

Long article on Pine Pollen HERE , along with many other interesting pages... Seems he and others think it should be cycled, I found this BRAND recommended a few times.

Some other Pine Pollen pages - Link1 , Link2 , Link3  , Link4 , Link5

PrimalHerb says tree type and extraction process are important to potentency

Not only that: the way that pine pollen is extracted from the proper pine species is essential to its effectiveness, too.

Japanese scientists found that for pine pollen to be fully effective and its phyto-androgen properties experienced, the strong shells around each single pollen microbe must be cracked so the human body could digest and absorb it.

This is done with high-velocity airflow, which pulverizes and cracks open pollen shells, making it more bioavailable.

Some other enhancers according to primalherb.com which they use in their combo pill.

• Cordyceps – Known to enhance reproductive function and revitalize energy stores, also boosts fertility and desire while helping the body reach better fitness and to battle fatigue
• Epimedium Extract – Also known as horny goat weed, epimedium is added for additional natural testosterone boosting, for which it is known to do per recent studies
• Grape Seed Extract – Rich in antioxidants (like resveratrol) known to support optimal prostate health which in turn fosters better testosterone levels and overall male health balance
• Long Jack Extract – Research shows it boosts fertility and can increase testosterone by helping the body release ample levels of DHT from SHBG.
• Mucuna pruriens Extract – Said to boost romantic energy and vitality, also has shown a significant effect on hormones in men and helps boost testosterone naturally—also boosts mood, energy, and fertility

Life extension foundation suggestions for testosterone - link 

Factors that influence Test

1. DHEA, test precursor 2. Aromatase enzyme(converts test to estrogen, increases with age  3. obesity suppresses luteinizing hormone in the testis, SIGNIFICANTLY reduce circulating test  4. Sex Hormone binding Globulin  SHBG binding to test increases with age   5. Liver function removes excess estrogen and SHBG.

Chrysin, Quercetin, nettle root, fish oil, protein keep Aromatase and SHBG in check.

Indole-3-carbinol i3C protects against dangerous estrogen metabolites and subsequent prostrate cancer - broccoli(rhonda patrick big on sulforaphane for prostrate cancer), brussel sprouts, cabbage. 

Test levels influence 1. Body composition and inflammation  2. Musculoskeletal system  3. Central Nervous system (depression, alzheimers)  4. glucose and lipid metabolism  5. cardiovascular health  6 prostrate health

fluoride and reducing serotonin boosts test

Hello dudes! Does somebody try geranigeraniol? its supplement in rats significant increase testosterone levels

https://www.tandfonl...51.2017.1415129

https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/26757775/

What do you think about it?

fluoride and reducing serotonin boosts test

Ive recently tried to go fluoride free as much as possible . 

Toothpaste that remineralizes

Mouthrinse for gums

Epic Nano water filter - apparently hard to remove from water, only 68 %.  Mercola claims fluoridation is on the way out, hopefully he is right

Hey, Gamesguru and all,

Probably most were already mentioned and I don't promise it'll be organized or won't have incorrections, but... enjoy

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I didn't mention there (cause I've made that list for myself) but out of the top of my head:

- Kegels

- Massage balls/perineum;

- LLLT balls;

- Cold immersion

- Squatting (big one) & exercise with heavy weights

- Fulvic & Humic acids - from agricultural stores/ Earth for horticulture OR Shilajit (has both)

- Creatine is a MUST unless you can't take it for personal reasons - it's cheap, highly effective and also a nootropic;

- AVOID plastics (especially with beverages/foods that aren't cold); soy; shampoo/conditioner/etc (bathe with basic glycerine soap), and other hormonal disruptors, xenoestrogens and phytoestrogens, sugars of all kinds (study why & how Kellogs cereals were made...)

- Ditch masculine "independent" bossy "modern" women and get sweet, accomodating, feminine, supportive, highly submissive, loving women and have them feel secure and loved because of you

- Probiotics / multiple homemade fermented foods

- Borax/boron and other T->estrogen convertion blockers --> Nettle Root's great, and Milk Thistle is ridiculously effective at it - almost 13x stronger than Tamoxifen on a Chinese study (if I read it right):  https://www.tandfonl...396360802379073

Errata: I said "Milk Thistle is ridiculously effective at it - almost 13x stronger than Tamoxifen on a Chinese study (if I read it right):  https://www.tandfonl...396360802379073 "

The peptide kisspeptin-10 is the new bomb shit for raising test. I have been taking it for a few days now. 100mcg in the morning usually subcutaneous. It acts upstream of gnrh.

 
 
Potent Vasoconstrictor Kisspeptin‐10 Induces Atherosclerotic Plaque Progression and Instability: Reversal by its Receptor GPR54 Antagonist

Hello. What do we say about testicular volume?

I'm 30 years now and all my life i feel hypersexuality, but about 2 years ago refractory period became increase and i feel libido issues. In this time was so much stress and severe insomnia and scince this time i have low libido, anhedonia, weaker erection. Make bloodwork and my total test was about 430 and little estrogen, then make ultrasoound and my testicles was 9.6 and 8.7 ml.

I read about hcg and testicular shrinkage but after cutting hcg balls return to previous size.

Can hcg effect be saved for times?

I'm interested in things which also improve estrogen/estradiol tone, like DHEA potentially since it potentially converts into both. For my own personal reasons I'm leery of serious aromatase inhibition to raise testosterone (specifically that there's some suggestion that hormonal balance plays a role in language abilities.)

 

like DHEA

I don't know any others! Any suggestions for things to investigate?

Ray peat suggests 2mg of DHEA for every decade after 30.

"Young people produce about 12 to 15 milligrams of DHEA per day, and that amount decreases by about 2 mg. per day for every decade after the age of 30. This is one of the reasons that young people eat more without getting fat, and tolerate cold weather better: DHEA, like the thyroid hormone, increases our heat production and ability to burn calories. At the age of 50, about 4 mg. of DHEA per day will usually restore the level of DHEA in the blood to a youthful level. It is important to avoid taking more than needed, since some people (especially if they are deficient in progesterone, pregnenolone, or thyroid) can turn the excess into estrogen or testosterone, and large amounts of those sex hormones can disturb the function of the thymus gland and the liver."

Shilajit - 100%. Look into. There are numerous studies to support its use for increasing testosterone. Really great supplement that I don't hear many people talking about.

Sorry, here is a study on Shilajet & Testosterone Levels: Clinical Evaluation of Purified Shilajit on Testosterone Levels in Healthy Volunteers:

https://onlinelibrar....1111/and.12482

Sorry, here is a study on Shilajet & Testosterone Levels: Clinical Evaluation of Purified Shilajit on Testosterone Levels in Healthy Volunteers:

https://onlinelibrar....1111/and.12482

Thanks for the post, Charlie. Did you know that Shilajit is basically Humic and Fulvic Acids? That's right - that dirt cheap item sold as fertilizers is the basis of Shilajit.

I've been taking HFAs for the last two months and I must say: what a supplement!

Check the topic where I've described the surprinsing benefits I've gained from it:https://www.longecit...olong-lifespan/
Also gave it to a bodybuilder student of mine and he's noticed great benefits for weightlifting and sleeping better. (Personally, I'm not sleeping better cause of it, even though many say it helps them). 

Only "but" id that HFAs can both be a chelating agent that helps your body excrete toxic metals or it can actually bring toxic metals into your body. 

But the same happens to Shilait as well - and for exactly the same reasons, I gather.

PS: If anyone knows a process to purify Shilajit/HFAs from toxic metals, I'd love to know it.

I wonder if bringing the acidity up then turning it basic again would help remove the metals...

(HFAs, as a product, despite the name, is slightly alkaline, with a pH of around ~7.5-7.8).

Why would you deliberately choose a fulvic acid supplement over shilajit? (...) You can get altai mountain shilajit on eBay for very cheap, and it is probably pretty pure, and many of the sellers have lab analysis available.

Price. To a Murican a dollar's a dollar. To me a USD is 5,50+ BRLs. So what's a Jackson (very cheap) costs a national Benjamin-plus.

CEO of natreon, (...) he claimed "the only other fulvic acid available as a fertilizer is alluvial(plant based) fulvic acid which is chemically different from Shilajit fulvic acid and has no therapeutic value".

Lots of people use plant based humic and fulvic acids products and claim countless benefits. In the literature, there's no such disctintion, so I can't say. 

I've found shilajit very underwhelming. (...) speculate that shilajit may even be anti-androgenic despite increasing testosterone levels. There is a study showing it was about as strong a 5α-Reductase inhibitor (or at least as inhibited prostate growth as effectively) as finasteride. I recently started back taking it around a month ago and have noticed significantly decreased libido.

Couldn't find any such paper upon a quick G. Scholar search. If you can post it for us it'd be a good addition to the chat.
Obviously, the decreased libido could easily be explained by the quitting of the helpful supplement itself.

I certainly don't claim to be an expert on sex hormones, so it may be a stretch to be comparing finasteride and shilajit simply because both are effective against BPH. There is perhaps a more subtle MOA at work besides just being a 5α-R inhibitor, but it would be very interesting if shilajit was a preventative for male balding. That's actually the reason I started taking it again, just out of curiosity to see if I noticed less shedding or thicker hair.

Surprisingly, there is no discussion of it on any of the hair-loss forums. Other 5α-Reductase inhibitors like saw palmetto, are similarly effective for BPH, and also have many case reports of persistent erectile dysfunction. It's interesting that shilajit is touted as a promoter of male fertility, whereas most other 5α-Rs have the opposite effect.

Effect of Shilajit on Testosterone Induced Benign Prostrate Hyperplasia in Rats
 

https://en.wikipedia...tase_inhibitors

Why would you deliberately choose a fulvic acid supplement over shilajit? Dibenzo pyrones are also a major bioactive in shilajit, I doubt you would find these in some random fulvic acid supplement. You can get altai mountain shilajit on eBay for very cheap, and it is probably pretty pure, and many of the sellers have lab analysis available.

I was in communication a few years ago with the CEO of natreon, who was spearheading a lot research on shilajit, and he claimed "the only other fulvic acid available as a fertilizer is alluvial(plant based) fulvic acid which is chemically different from Shilajit fulvic acid and has no therapeutic value".

As for my personal experience, I've found shilajit very underwhelming. I also speculate that shilajit may even be anti-androgenic despite increasing testosterone levels. There is a study showing it was about as strong a 5α-Reductase inhibitor (or at least as inhibited prostate growth as effectively) as finasteride. I recently started back taking it around a month ago and have noticed significantly decreased libido.

Why would you ingest a cocktail of largely unknown stuff at unspecified quantities? rather than a more slim concoction (I don't say molecule because fulvic acid isn't a single molecule)? Lead and arsenic might also be major bioactives of shilajit. I wouldn't exactly trust a car salesman to tell me the truth. I don't hold the words of Natreon higher than the words of Robert Faust (who's behind 'pure & fulvic' and "wujinsan' etc). But it's pretty straightforward to me that most supplements and herbs are complicated and speculative, but they do frequently do something (including potential unknown interactions), so I'd rather limit my intake to something that is easier to track.

(As far as fertilizer, which I'm not very interested in, I'm sure the people at BioAg might disagree with that statement.)

If you notice decreased libido, why would you think it's better taking shilajit (whatever that means exactly) as opposed to one smaller portion of it or something simpler than shilajit? Is this some kind of variant argument of "we need a varied diet for health", e.g. "we need a varied supplement regime with the largest possible intake of all stuff available from the supplement companies to prevent bad things (like decreased libido) from happening to us from our experimental supplement intakes, so it all evens out into a zen like state"?

If I wanted 'Diabenzo pyrones', my first thought wouldn't be to buy a jar of certified mud from some supplement company.

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Sorry if I sound condescending but my opinion of the supplement industry is very low. I think it's important for people to remember how useless most of their products are, rather than expect great things from taking a bunch of stuff.

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My experience with pure fulvic acid ("pure&fulvic") has been almost entirely positive. I'm getting some more, just for the modest energizing effect and enhanced blood flow. Subjectively it seems healthy, but who knows. Only negative, to repeat myself, is I'm very sensitive to "stimulating" stuff and so I can get a bit too amped up from it (tho again I think most people wouldn't notice it anywhere as much as I do, for reference I can barely drink coffee).

Just a N=1, but for me both Shilajit AND Fulvic Acid complex tank my libido quite quickly. First few days it's unicorns and rainbows, then libido seems to fall off a cliff.

moomoo : I've not tried fulvic acid, but I did try shilajit (i.e. Primavie) for months. Like you, initially : mood, libido, subjective well-being and assertiveness were all increased. But then, it stopped working altogether. 

Just wanted to put my two cents in..

moomoo : I've not tried fulvic acid, but I did try shilajit (i.e. Primavie) for months. Like you, initially : mood, libido, subjective well-being and assertiveness were all increased. But then, it stopped working altogether. 

 

Just wanted to put my two cents in..

I think there's some quick down-regulation/suppression going on. I'm guessing FSH as fenugreek gives me the same effect of having a few days good, then a "crash".  

Above experiences might have to do with dopamine more than anything. AFAIK the dopamine system is very malleable and adjusts itself easily, hence e.g. why a lot of people who take prescription stimulants feel "oh wow" for a few days or weeks then become disappointed (but also why low dose prescription stims are rather harmless and unproblematic to start/stop as the brain easily adjusts and one might simply feel a bit excessively tired/wired for a short period).

Either way I suspect that's what most of the popular "test boosters" do is give a sense of energy that perhaps has little to do with testosterone, just my guess. Things that vaguely speaking are "dopaminergic" (i.e. vaguely stimulating, everything from dexamphetamine, ginseng, to fulvic acid) seem to have a rather simple and easy relationship with mood-lifting properties (including horniness etc, "high test" feeling), you can take it and you immediately feel a lift. I'm not so sure the same is true even of injecting massive amounts of testosterone, sex hormones seem a bit complicated either way... I don't really know what fulvic acid does tho, but I doubt it raises testosterone very much.