Who would you vote for between the two of them?
Edit: Obama has it wrapped up now.
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Posted 15 February 2008 - 04:56 AM
A great video. Everyone who supports Clinton should watch it. It explains with logic and candor why Obama is the right choice. I'm glad I watched it. Thanks, modelcadet.Count one for Lawrence Lessig:
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Posted 19 February 2008 - 02:21 AM
Finally... I wish Obama were Muslim.
Posted 19 February 2008 - 04:25 AM
Can you be half Muslim? That's like being half Catholic. You can't really mix religions, usually. I mean, you could, but it would be wierd. And someone might want to kill you. But anyway, yeah, his dad was a Muslim of African descent, and his mom was a White girl from Kansas. (there's no place like home...) Obama has been some conventional flavor of Christian for a long time. If we elect him president, it will probably be a little harder for Islamic extremists to convince young Muslim men that we are the Great Satan.Finally... I wish Obama were Muslim.
Actually, he's half Muslim. His full name is Barack Hussein Obama.
Posted 27 February 2008 - 03:41 AM
Firstly, propor protocal for the *National Anthem,* not the pledge of allegiance, is to stand at attention. Not do that gay putting your hand over your heart shit.
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 03:58 AM
Firstly, propor protocal for the *National Anthem,* not the pledge of allegiance, is to stand at attention. Not do that gay putting your hand over your heart shit.
Obama replied that his choice not to put his hand on his heart is a behavior that "would disqualify about three-quarters of the people who have ever gone to a football game or baseball game."
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Posted 28 February 2008 - 05:35 PM
Not really, but it would be nice to have someone else other then a conservative senior citizen as president.Does it really matter who is elected?
Posted 28 February 2008 - 09:24 PM
I suspect the smell of his sh*t would likely exert the same effect on you as well.Obama's lack of a weird-ass quasi religious affectation over the freaking National Anthem (of all things) makes me want to vote for him even more.
I never read the flag code until several days ago - I was taught in school and observed this at sporting events, and Veteran's and Independence day celebrations. It doesn't surprise me that there are many people that aren't aware of this, but it is quite surprising that a U.S. Senator is not. In any case, I don't really hold it against him, but he certainly looked like a knob standing up there with the others on the stage.For what it's worth, like a lot of people, I had no idea that you were "supposed to" put your hand over your heart for the NA. I thought that was for the flag salute, and for the NA you just stand. But then I haven't read Section 36 of the US Code lately.
Posted 29 February 2008 - 03:37 AM
If Gore had been president in 2000, do you think we would have incurred a trillion dollar debt in Iraq, destroyed the lives of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands if not millions of Iraqis, given the biggest boost ever to Islamic extremism, and incurred the opprobrium of much of the world?Does it really matter who is elected?
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Posted 29 February 2008 - 03:38 AM
Kinda reaching for the clever retort, aren't we?I suspect the smell of his sh*t would likely exert the same effect on you as well.Obama's lack of a weird-ass quasi religious affectation over the freaking National Anthem (of all things) makes me want to vote for him even more.
Posted 29 February 2008 - 01:46 PM
If Gore had been president in 2000, do you think we would have incurred a trillion dollar debt in Iraq, destroyed the lives of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands if not millions of Iraqis, given the biggest boost ever to Islamic extremism, and incurred the opprobrium of much of the world?Does it really matter who is elected?
Would FEMA have been staffed with political hacks?
Would we have a subprime lending crisis today? Read this Washington Post story of how the Bush Administration actively interfered with the efforts of state Attorneys General to address dangerous lending practices before they got out of hand.
If the answer to each of these is "yes", then I guess it doesn't matter who's elected.
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Posted 01 March 2008 - 02:18 AM
Kinda reaching for the clever retort, aren't we?I suspect the smell of his sh*t would likely exert the same effect on you as well.Obama's lack of a weird-ass quasi religious affectation over the freaking National Anthem (of all things) makes me want to vote for him even more.
Posted 01 March 2008 - 02:22 AM
Yeah, I'm just brilliance impaired. Apparently I dissed your deeply seated tribalism... Sorry about that.Kinda reaching for the clever retort, aren't we?I suspect the smell of his sh*t would likely exert the same effect on you as well.Obama's lack of a weird-ass quasi religious affectation over the freaking National Anthem (of all things) makes me want to vote for him even more.
Too clever for you, eh? How about this? The weird-ass quasi-religious fervour of many of Obama's supporters makes me want to vote for him even less.
Posted 01 March 2008 - 02:47 AM
Well, I am an American and I'm pretty sure Barak Obama is as well. You might want to consider applying for political asylum at the UN.Yeah, I'm just brilliance impaired. Apparently I dissed your deeply seated tribalism... Sorry about that.Kinda reaching for the clever retort, aren't we?I suspect the smell of his sh*t would likely exert the same effect on you as well.Obama's lack of a weird-ass quasi religious affectation over the freaking National Anthem (of all things) makes me want to vote for him even more.
Too clever for you, eh? How about this? The weird-ass quasi-religious fervour of many of Obama's supporters makes me want to vote for him even less.
Posted 01 March 2008 - 04:33 AM
Well duh. Of course you're an American. It's your deeply seated American tribalism that I dissed, right? If not, how about explaining what the problem is instead of hurling childish insults?Well, I am an American and I'm pretty sure Barak Obama is as well. You might want to consider applying for political asylum at the UN.Yeah, I'm just brilliance impaired. Apparently I dissed your deeply seated tribalism... Sorry about that.Kinda reaching for the clever retort, aren't we?I suspect the smell of his sh*t would likely exert the same effect on you as well.Obama's lack of a weird-ass quasi religious affectation over the freaking National Anthem (of all things) makes me want to vote for him even more.
Too clever for you, eh? How about this? The weird-ass quasi-religious fervour of many of Obama's supporters makes me want to vote for him even less.
Posted 01 March 2008 - 06:07 AM
Well duh. Of course you're an American. It's your deeply seated American tribalism that I dissed, right? If not, how about explaining what the problem is instead of hurling childish insults?Well, I am an American and I'm pretty sure Barak Obama is as well. You might want to consider applying for political asylum at the UN.Yeah, I'm just brilliance impaired. Apparently I dissed your deeply seated tribalism... Sorry about that.Kinda reaching for the clever retort, aren't we?I suspect the smell of his sh*t would likely exert the same effect on you as well.Obama's lack of a weird-ass quasi religious affectation over the freaking National Anthem (of all things) makes me want to vote for him even more.
Too clever for you, eh? How about this? The weird-ass quasi-religious fervour of many of Obama's supporters makes me want to vote for him even less.
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Posted 02 March 2008 - 04:18 AM
Well duh. Of course you're an American. It's your deeply seated American tribalism that I dissed, right? If not, how about explaining what the problem is instead of hurling childish insults?Well, I am an American and I'm pretty sure Barak Obama is as well. You might want to consider applying for political asylum at the UN.Yeah, I'm just brilliance impaired. Apparently I dissed your deeply seated tribalism... Sorry about that.Kinda reaching for the clever retort, aren't we?I suspect the smell of his sh*t would likely exert the same effect on you as well.Obama's lack of a weird-ass quasi religious affectation over the freaking National Anthem (of all things) makes me want to vote for him even more.
Too clever for you, eh? How about this? The weird-ass quasi-religious fervour of many of Obama's supporters makes me want to vote for him even less.
You don't think referring to a traditional and rather harmless display of patriotism as "weird-ass quasi religious affectation" is insulting and childish? Do you think Senator Obama would agree with you? Personally I would not presume to fathom the sources of people's outward expressions of patriotism - regardless of their political affiliation. I do know countless men and women - many who have sacrificed much more than I have or ever will for the United States - have stood at attention with hand over heart for the national anthem. Personally, I feel deeply humbled.
Posted 02 March 2008 - 04:40 AM
Insulting, yes. That's why I said sorry. Childish? I'd say it was positively sophomoric! That's about ten grades beyond your "sh*t smelling" comment. You probably think I'm some kind of "America Hater". Is that it? Sorry, wrong. I love my country, and the hairs stand up on my neck too when the Veterans float goes by on Memorial Day. I just happen to have a problem with Neocon pseudo-patriots who wouldn't be caught dead without a flag pin in their lapel while they wipe their ass with the Constitution. That kind of thing has sensitized me to the use and misuse of our country's symbols for purposes of manipulating people into voting against their self interest.Well duh. Of course you're an American. It's your deeply seated American tribalism that I dissed, right? If not, how about explaining what the problem is instead of hurling childish insults?Well, I am an American and I'm pretty sure Barak Obama is as well. You might want to consider applying for political asylum at the UN.Yeah, I'm just brilliance impaired. Apparently I dissed your deeply seated tribalism... Sorry about that.Kinda reaching for the clever retort, aren't we?I suspect the smell of his sh*t would likely exert the same effect on you as well.Obama's lack of a weird-ass quasi religious affectation over the freaking National Anthem (of all things) makes me want to vote for him even more.
Too clever for you, eh? How about this? The weird-ass quasi-religious fervour of many of Obama's supporters makes me want to vote for him even less.
You don't think referring to a traditional and rather harmless display of patriotism as "weird-ass quasi religious affectation" is insulting and childish? Do you think Senator Obama would agree with you? Personally I would not presume to fathom the sources of people's outward expressions of patriotism - regardless of their political affiliation. I do know countless men and women - many who have sacrificed much more than I have or ever will for the United States - have stood at attention with hand over heart for the national anthem. Personally, I feel deeply humbled.
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