LONGECITY

 

I never find ad hominem attacks are necessary with scientifically-minded people, as you can communicate to them with ease, and they are very quick on the uptake of any points made.

 

But when dealing with people who don't know much about science, but nevertheless have strong opinions, such people are often not amenable to calm rational discussion, and they sometimes require a few metaphorical slaps around the face to bring them to their senses! Much like in the movies from the 1950s, where a hysterical woman was dealt with using a sharp slap to the face! Just think of my approach as pedagogical.

 

 

 

 

 
No I am not assuming the excess deaths occurred; we know for a fact that they did occur.  I provided you with a link to an article which showed the excess deaths.

 

Here is another article which perhaps more clearly shows the excess deaths which suddenly appeared ever since coronavirus came on the scene.
 
Do you actually know what excess deaths means? Probably not. So I guess I'll have to explain it:

 

 

In any country, at any time of year, you always expect a certain amount of deaths (from all causes). There are seasonal variations in the expected deaths, but for each week of the year, there is a known number of expected deaths, which is derived from historical averages. So for each week of the year, we know in advance roughly how many deaths are going to occur in that week.

 

Once coronavirus hit the scene, the expected deaths for this time of year shot up, to a point about 60% higher that the number of official coronavirus deaths. It is believed that these excess deaths are due to coronavirus, because there is no other explanation. So the excess death data shows that we are likely under-recording coronavirus deaths. The excess death data shows the official coronavirus death figures are most likely under-reported by about 60%.  

Hip wrote: “I never find ad hominem attacks are necessary with scientifically-minded people, as you can communicate to them with ease, and they are very quick on the uptake of any points made.

But when dealing with people who don't know much about science, but nevertheless have strong opinions, such people are often not amenable to calm rational discussion, and they sometimes require a few metaphorical slaps around the face to bring them to their senses! Much like in the movies from the 1950s, where a hysterical woman was dealt with using a sharp slap to the face! Just think of my approach as pedagogical.”

This is illogical if by it you are saying that the quotes from qualified scientists I have posted are from “people who don't know much about science”. If it weren’t for your admitted mental health issues, I would be offended by this.

Hips wrote: “No I am not assuming the excess deaths occurred; we know for a fact that they did occur.  I provided you with a link to an article which showed the excess deaths. Here is another article which perhaps more clearly shows the excess deaths which suddenly appeared ever since coronavirus came on the scene.”

As I said before, the excess death theory regarding Covid as a way to attribute these deaths to Covid, is a statistical “begging the question”, and so logically flawed. If the death count for Covid is lower than the official count, as we know it is, then “excess” deaths are part of this low count. Neither you nor the article you cite address that point.

Hip wrote: “Do you actually know what excess deaths means? Probably not. So I guess I'll have to explain it:

In any country, at any time of year, you always expect a certain amount of deaths (from all causes). There are seasonal variations in the expected deaths, but for each week of the year, there is a known number of expected deaths, which is derived from historical averages. So for each week of the year, we know in advance roughly how many deaths are going to occur in that week.

Once coronavirus hit the scene, the expected deaths for this time of year shot up, to a point about 60% higher that the number of official coronavirus deaths. It is believed that these excess deaths are due to coronavirus, because there is no other explanation. So the excess death data shows that we are likely under-recording coronavirus deaths. The excess death data shows the official coronavirus death figures are most likely under-reported by about 60%.”

Again, the excess death theory regarding Covid as a way to attribute these deaths to Covid, is a statistical “begging the question”, and so logically flawed. If the death count for Covid is lower than the official count, as we know it is, then “excess” deaths are part of this low count.  

Ivor Cummins

 

Ep85 Viral Realities Revealed: Dr John Lee, Pathology Professor

 

Excellent conversation with a hero of mine - retired Professor of Pathology Dr. John Lee. He has written such common-sense and yet exceptionally scientific articles on this seasonal viral challenge in The Spectator Magazine, since late March.  I found these articles and realized there was at least one other person in UK/Ireland who understood what the hell was going on - a relief I must say! We cover mortality risk realities, the evidence supporting Lockdown being an effective intervention, the ethics and philosophy of it all - and exactly WHY such challenges remain. The technical reality is nothing like that portrayed in the media - that's for sure.

 

 If it weren’t for your admitted mental health issues, I would be offended by this.

I have admitted mine, but you may be still hiding yours. Anyone who reads conspiracy theory media as their primary source of information is probably not all that mentally well balanced. You could be suffering from a touch of schizotypy, or some similar condition. It may be only a subclinical mental health issue you have.
 
Mental health is a spectrum: some people have overt mental health problems, but with others its milder and subclinical. You may have subclinical issues that distort your perspective on the world and taint your reasoning processes.
 
The fact you are posting on LongeCity is not a good sign to begin with, because there a lot of mental health issues on this forum. Many people come here to try to find ways ot improving their mental health.
 
Most people when they first develop mental health problems will not even admit it to themselves, because of the stigma associated with mental health. That's understandable. So I would not expect you to admit it, even if you do have some subclinical mental issues.
 
It's not mentally normal to steep yourself in conspiracy theory literature, as the following studies indicate:

 
Studies linking conspiracy theory beliefs to schizotypy:
 
The relationship between schizotypal facets and conspiracist beliefs via cognitive processes 
 
Belief in conspiracy theories. The role of paranormal belief, paranoid ideation and schizotypy 
 
Associations between schizotypy and belief in conspiracist ideation
 
The relationship between schizotypal facets and conspiracist beliefs via cognitive processes
 
Conspiracy theory and cognitive style: a worldview
 
Something's Going on Here: Psychological Predictors of Belief in Conspiracy Theories
 
Perceptual Biases in Relation to Paranormal and Conspiracy Beliefs
 
 
 
Articles on conspiracy theory beliefs and schizotypy:
 
What Makes Conspiracy Theorists Tick? 
 
Schizotypy and bullshit receptivity predict belief in conspiracy theories 
 
Crazy Beliefs, Sane Believers: Toward A Cognitive Psychology Of Conspiracy Ideation
 
Who believes in conspiracies? New research offers a theory
 
 

Again, the excess death theory regarding Covid as a way to attribute these deaths to Covid, is a statistical “begging the question”, and so logically flawed. If the death count for Covid is lower than the official count, as we know it is, then “excess” deaths are part of this low count.  

What you say makes no sense: 'If the death count for Covid is lower than the official count, as we know it is, then “excess” deaths are part of this low count'. That has no meaning I can decipher. 

Clearly you do not think coronavirus caused the excess deaths, so you must have another explanation. I'd like to hear that explanation.

Maybe you have some far out conspiracy theory to offer. Perhaps you think the excess deaths could be due to UFO activity, or governments poisoning the population with chemtrail toxins. Or maybe go for the big one, that 5G is causing the coronavirus pandemic. I'd love to hear your ideas.

If you want to know why I get annoyed when people try to downplay the dangers involved with nasty viruses, you might like to read the personal experience myself and my friends and family had with a nasty virus I caught in 2003, which devastated my health, and devastated the health of many friends and family who caught it. 

Four very healthy people who caught my virus all had sudden heart attacks. One died, and the others went on to to get chronic viral myocarditis (chronic heart muscle infection), requiring hospitalization. Two people who caught my virus suddenly were hit with ruptured bowels, as the virus infected their intestines. They had to have emergency life-saving operations, as ruptured bowel can be fatal.

One person developed type 1 diabetes. Another died from a lung infection (though he was old). Several people suddenly developed glaucoma. 

And on the mental health side, a few people who caught my virus when on to get chronic severe life-changing depression. These people had excellent jobs and careers before catching my virus, and good social lives, but after catching it, they completely dropped out of life, literally went to live as isolated hermits on the fringe of society. The virus destroyed their minds.

The virus I caught was I believe a nasty strain of coxsackievirus B4, which is a virus in common circulation. 

If you want to read a summary of the full damage to health, physical and mental, that my virus caused in my 30+ friends and family, you can read my account here. 

On this forum, I am always at pains to point out that the most pernicious thing for human health is the pathogens in circulation. Very few people are aware of how so much of human ill health, both physical and mental, is linked to infectious pathogens.

In the distant future, when medical science advances enough to control and eradicate all these pathogens, the human race will likely live in a golden age of good health, physically and mentally. But at the moment, we live in a world where health can easily be compromised or destroyed by a pathogen that you might pick up from someone standing next to you.

The coronavirus pandemic hopefully will be a wake-up call to humanity. But coronavirus is by no means the only nasty virus in circulation. 

It became obvious that you try to silence any voice of reason with personal attacks, in the hope that with enough hysteria post-viral syndroms might finally get the research money they deserve. If only reasonable concensus would ever be possible with irrational constant insults. Trying to drive out luzifer with beelzebub? - Will never work.

Look at the war against cancer - didn't work.

Or the billions thrown at CVD - it's still the major killer.

Pamojja, given that you also suffer from the life-destroying disease of chronic fatigue syndrome just as I do, which as you know, is usually triggered by a viral infection, I would have thought that you would be the last person to downplay the seriousness of any virus.

I can understand how people who have never had any nasty encounter with a virus in their life may be unable to appreciate the dangers of these pathogens. But you are not in that position. You have spent years on chronic fatigue forums discussing the virological science of CFS. So you should be wiser about pathogens. 

You never arrive at consensus with lies. I don't downplay the danger about viruses at all. Just nobody will listen to someone telling lies to increase panic. Not rational scientific reasoning.

Billions of research-money didn't find a cure for most  heart-diseases or cancers, because it would be for their ruin and against their business-model. Especially if those could by so easily get rid of as with a working anti-viral.

I've found remissions without.

Billions of research-money didn't find a cure for most  heart-diseases or cancers, because it would be for their ruin and against their business-model.

 
Sorry to say, pamojja, but your anti-science views, and your deep cynicism of human motivation, are probably more a reflection of the state of your own mind than actual reality. If you see evil in medical science, that's something you need to address with your psychiatrist. 

The bleakness of your worldview may well be caused by your CFS disease, and by the viral infection that likely underpins the disease. One friend of mine, who was an incredibly positive person, after he caught my virus, became depressed and negative, and became deeply cynical of human motivation, and especially science. The turnaround was astounding, from a highly driven positive person, to a negative person who sees fault in everything. 

I tried to help this friend, pointing out to him that he had become very negative, and suggested he try antidepressants, either drugs or supplements. But he would not have it, and he said "I am not depressed, I've just realized that the world is a bad place". Well that is what depression does to you: you start seeing the whole world in a negative and cynical light.

Again, your usual agenda shines through bright, by assassination of characters instead of rational scientific arguments. Why you think all those similiar post on PheonixRising where moderated and deleted? - Because moderators there too are 'anti-science' and needing psychiaters? (For anyone interrested how the exact same discussion looks like without insults to maintain a supportive forum: https://forums.phoen...-article.79636/

If you want to check how positive I'm really are, how about reading my multiple remission story?: https://www.longecit...nal-remissions/

Of course you already knew. But know of no other way to distract than with constant adhominems to further your hopeless agenda with lies after lies after lies.

It's not insulting to suggest that someone might be depressed, even though it might be taken in that way. My friend was the same: when I tried to suggest that it was depression which might be behind his development of cynical views, he got quite defensive. Which is understandable, as nobody likes to be told that they might have a mental health issue, as there's a big stigma attached to mental health. Ideally people should work out for themselves when they depressed.

But not everyone with depression may be aware they have it. There is a form of depression called dysthymia, and people with dysthymia are often not aware they are depressed. It's only when they are examined by a psychiatrist that the depression becomes apparent (to the psychiatrist). This is in contrast to major depression, which is the other main type of depression, where people usually know they are depressed. So you can have depression and not be aware of it.

To hold the view that you frequently express that medical science does not find cures for diseases because it would be bad for business is a bleak worldview, and a cynical perspective of humanity. That's why I thought you might have some depression. Have you ever tried antidepressants, either drugs or supplements?

You get no further by erroniously diagnosing depression or schizotypy on anyone not agreeing with your agenda already made clear. Other than completely derailing this threat, of course.

You get no further by erroniously diagnosing depression or schizotypy on anyone not agreeing with your agenda already made clear. Other than completely derailing this threat, of course.

On some threads, slightly poor mental health is the source of the problem. If some weird stuff is being said by people on a thread, the cause of the weirdness may be a down to mental health issues. If you tell me that you are the second coming Jesus Christ, it's not good humoring you and discussing your statement rationally; it has to be pointed out that you are a bit crazy.

If people are presenting solid facts and science in rational way, then by all means we can discuss that science. But if they are saying weird things, then it's pointless discussing rationally.

So many threads attempt a rational discussion with people who are a little bit crazy, or at best eccentric. But those discussion always end up fruitless, because crazy people are not that rational.

Adhominem after adhominem, no rational thought. And by now a declared agenda for all this lie-spreading. It all will fall back on you.

So many threads attempt a rational discussion with people who are a little bit crazy, or at best eccentric. But those discussion always end up fruitless, because crazy people are not that rational.

The only with a certain diagnosis of psychosis here is you. And these discussions don't end up fruitless, if such endless trolling is moderated, as it was at PheonixRising.


 

Adhominem after adhominem

My last post was not directed at anyone in particular, but deals with the general issue of attempting rational discussion online with people whose mental state may not be capable of proper rationality. We see this all the time on forums.

My last post was not directed at anyone in particular, but deals with the general issue of attempting rational discussion online with people whose mental state may not be capable of proper rationality. We see this all the time on forums.

Only a psychotic could claim that a post with the same adhominem as the one just before posted and explicitly directed at me, wouldn't. Your constantly exposing you incapabilty of rationality, and aren't even ashamed of. But appear even proud of your mindless trolling.

I remind you, pamojja, that it's the stuff you link to, your Professor Knut video, which was removed by Google for being coronavirus fake news and pseudoscience. If Google tells you that your posts are pseudoscience, you should reflect on that.

LOL, I responded to that already. But as psychotic and additionally with the agenda to scare everyone to death from viruses, it must be really difficult to keep track. That, or completely giving a shit about your reputation, because your only aim now with everything seen is to troll this thread to death.

Neither was Wittkovski's information as statistican and epidemiologist about infectious-disease waves incorrect - the accuse of 'fake news' without any rational argument just shows your lack of critical skills. Google also removed the clearheaded video by Dr John Ioannidis of Stanford University, and so many others questioning the harmful scare-tactics of the main-stream media. Therefore still in pretty good company.

I have admitted mine, but you may be still hiding yours. Anyone who reads conspiracy theory media as their primary source of information is probably not all that mentally well balanced. You could be suffering from a touch of schizotypy, or some similar condition. It may be only a subclinical mental health issue you have.
 
Mental health is a spectrum: some people have overt mental health problems, but with others its milder and subclinical. You may have subclinical issues that distort your perspective on the world and taint your reasoning processes.
 
The fact you are posting on LongeCity is not a good sign to begin with, because there a lot of mental health issues on this forum. Many people come here to try to find ways ot improving their mental health.
 
Most people when they first develop mental health problems will not even admit it to themselves, because of the stigma associated with mental health. That's understandable. So I would not expect you to admit it, even if you do have some subclinical mental issues.
 
It's not mentally normal to steep yourself in conspiracy theory literature, as the following studies indicate:

 

 
Studies linking conspiracy theory beliefs to schizotypy:
 
The relationship between schizotypal facets and conspiracist beliefs via cognitive processes 
 
Belief in conspiracy theories. The role of paranormal belief, paranoid ideation and schizotypy 
 
Associations between schizotypy and belief in conspiracist ideation
 
The relationship between schizotypal facets and conspiracist beliefs via cognitive processes
 
Conspiracy theory and cognitive style: a worldview
 
Something's Going on Here: Psychological Predictors of Belief in Conspiracy Theories
 
Perceptual Biases in Relation to Paranormal and Conspiracy Beliefs
 
 
 
Articles on conspiracy theory beliefs and schizotypy:
 
What Makes Conspiracy Theorists Tick? 
 
Schizotypy and bullshit receptivity predict belief in conspiracy theories 
 
Crazy Beliefs, Sane Believers: Toward A Cognitive Psychology Of Conspiracy Ideation
 
Who believes in conspiracies? New research offers a theory
 
 

 

 

 

What you say makes no sense: 'If the death count for Covid is lower than the official count, as we know it is, then “excess” deaths are part of this low count'. That has no meaning I can decipher. 

 

I asked you what you think caused this sudden spike in excess deaths, which occurred in multiple countries, and occurred in at exactly the same time as the appearance of coronavirus. 

 

 

Clearly you do not think coronavirus caused the excess deaths, so you must have another explanation. I'd like to hear that explanation.

 

Maybe you have some far out conspiracy theory to offer. Perhaps you think the excess deaths could be due to UFO activity, or governments poisoning the population with chemtrail toxins. Or maybe go for the big one, that 5G is causing the coronavirus pandemic. I'd love to hear your ideas.

If you want to know why I get annoyed when people try to downplay the dangers involved with nasty viruses, you might like to read the personal experience myself and my friends and family had with a nasty virus I caught in 2003, which devastated my health, and devastated the health of many friends and family who caught it. 

 

Four very healthy people who caught my virus all had sudden heart attacks. One died, and the others went on to to get chronic viral myocarditis (chronic heart muscle infection), requiring hospitalization. Two people who caught my virus suddenly were hit with ruptured bowels, as the virus infected their intestines. They had to have emergency life-saving operations, as ruptured bowel can be fatal.

 

One person developed type 1 diabetes. Another died from a lung infection (though he was old). Several people suddenly developed glaucoma. 

 

And on the mental health side, a few people who caught my virus when on to get chronic severe life-changing depression. These people had excellent jobs and careers before catching my virus, and good social lives, but after catching it, they completely dropped out of life, literally went to live as isolated hermits on the fringe of society. The virus destroyed their minds.

 

 

 

The virus I caught was I believe a nasty strain of coxsackievirus B4, which is a virus in common circulation. 

 

If you want to read a summary of the full damage to health, physical and mental, that my virus caused in my 30+ friends and family, you can read my account here. 

 

 

On this forum, I am always at pains to point out that the most pernicious thing for human health is the pathogens in circulation. Very few people are aware of how so much of human ill health, both physical and mental, is linked to infectious pathogens.

 

In the distant future, when medical science advances enough to control and eradicate all these pathogens, the human race will likely live in a golden age of good health, physically and mentally. But at the moment, we live in a world where health can easily be compromised or destroyed by a pathogen that you might pick up from someone standing next to you.

 

The coronavirus pandemic hopefully will be a wake-up call to humanity. But coronavirus is by no means the only nasty virus in circulation. 

It is hard for me to know if your post is fact or fiction, given that you are an admitted psychotic.

Aside from its veracity or not, it does display an excess of paranoia.  

Pamojja, given that you also suffer from the life-destroying disease of chronic fatigue syndrome just as I do, which as you know, is usually triggered by a viral infection, I would have thought that you would be the last person to downplay the seriousness of any virus.

 

I can understand how people who have never had any nasty encounter with a virus in their life may be unable to appreciate the dangers of these pathogens. But you are not in that position. You have spent years on chronic fatigue forums discussing the virological science of CFS. So you should be wiser about pathogens. 

So what this all boils down to in your mind, is that because you caught a virus years ago, scientists should pretend the death number count from Covid is very high.

Neither logical nor rational.

 
Sorry to say, pamojja, but ... the bleakness of your worldview may well be caused by your CFS disease, and by the viral infection that likely underpins the disease. 

 

Let's rephrase that to:

“Sorry to say, hip, but the paranoia of your worldview may well be caused by your admitted psychosis, and by the viral infection that likely underpins the disease.”

Do you see how silly your accusations are?

It's not insulting to suggest that someone might be depressed, even though it might be taken in that way. My friend was the same: when I tried to suggest that it was depression which might be behind his development of cynical views, he got quite defensive. Which is understandable, as nobody likes to be told that they might have a mental health issue, as there's a big stigma attached to mental health. Ideally people should work out for themselves when they depressed.

 

But not everyone with depression may be aware they have it. There is a form of depression called dysthymia, and people with dysthymia are often not aware they are depressed. It's only when they are examined by a psychiatrist that the depression becomes apparent (to the psychiatrist). This is in contrast to major depression, which is the other main type of depression, where people usually know they are depressed. So you can have depression and not be aware of it.

 

To hold the view that you frequently express that medical science does not find cures for diseases because it would be bad for business is a bleak worldview, and a cynical perspective of humanity. That's why I thought you might have some depression. Have you ever tried antidepressants, either drugs or supplements?

Your recent posts have become very self-indulgent, what with telling us all about your viral woes in the past. Try to get over it. Find a girl, start a family, enjoy your life.

So many threads attempt a rational discussion with people who are a little bit crazy, or at best eccentric. But those discussion always end up fruitless, because crazy people are not that rational.

Thanks for describing yourself here. 

Adhominem after adhominem, no rational thought. And by now a declared agenda for all this lie-spreading. It all will fall back on you.

 

 

The only with a certain diagnosis of psychosis here is you. And these discussions don't end up fruitless, if such endless trolling is moderated, as it was at PheonixRising.


 

Well said. I'm surprised the Mods haven't given him a warning yet.

I remind you, pamojja, that it's the stuff you link to, your Professor Knut video, which was removed by Google for being coronavirus fake news and pseudoscience. If Google tells you that your posts are pseudoscience, you should reflect on that.

Neither was Wittkovski's information as statistican and epidemiologist about infectious-disease waves incorrect - the accuse of 'fake news' without any rational argument just shows your lack of critical skills. Google also removed the clearheaded video by Dr John Ioannidis of Stanford University, and so many others questioning the harmful scare-tactics of the main-stream media. Therefore still in pretty good company.

Nothing but a baseless conspiracy theory peddled by uncritical internet trolls speaking in broken English.  Your entire method consists in this: settle on no agreements or facts, but rather drive the conversation in endless circle with 6th grade solipsist rhetoric.

I am glad Google is out censoring deranged Republican voices.  Shame the moderation team here is unable to do the same

All these right-wing grifters want us back to work, back to the old grind.  Money is just worth less than life, friends, do not be fooled by them!

I remind you, pamojja, that it's the stuff you link to, your Professor Knut video, which was removed by Google for being coronavirus fake news and pseudoscience.

By the way, you never even argued his experience of 30 years in professional life, that infectious diseases usually spread in waves and always declined after a few months all by itself. All you could (at PR) was to question his credentials as retired epidemiologist and statistican.

And the death number now do show he was right all along:

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As is seen, the only big waves in the EU (incll. GB) and US - affecting just 10% of the world population - already declined vastly, while as expected the Southern hemisphere is only now catching on, but will preceed as the north. And as predicted by Professor Wittkovski. Credentials are irelevant, truth is.

4500 deaths daily from alledgedly covid-19 may still seem a lot, but isn't if compared to past years. In 2017 for example 8700 died daily from influenza and pneumonia. Not even during a particular wave, but as average throughout the year.

Year after year so many are dying, and nobody even mentioned. I can explain it only by this time being so close to us, while the usual yearly 15% of our world-population far worse affected year after year - as the US and EU not even this year only - are too far away to even care.

Ahmad Ayyad was in the peak physical state of his life before falling ill to the deadly virus.(69 kB)

Are you so dumb, that you take just one death more serious than 8000 daily? Year after year after year?

Well, that just shows how psychotic you are, as you earlier admitted.

 
Do try to get your facts right, osris.   

I said 20 years ago I experienced a period of very mild psychosis, which led to a fascination and orientation towards conspiracy theory. I do not have any such conspiracy theory inclinations these days, but of course when I see someone who does, just from my own experience, it makes me speculate about their mental health, and the soundness of the reasoning.

It's important to be accurate. I know we live in a world where leaders like Trump routinely get their facts wrong, change their mind from day to day, lie and cover up awkward facts, and generally avoid answered awkward questions; but that does not mean you have to follow suit.

Get your facts right, osris, and then you will find it leads to much friendlier discussion. Much of the animosity towards Trump arises because he is a bullshitter who does not respect fact. Don't let Trump be your role model.

So what this all boils down to in your mind, is that because you caught a virus years ago, scientists should pretend the death number count from Covid is very high.

No, what it boils down to is that I have direct personal experience of the devastation that viruses can cause in a person's life. And over the last 15 years, I have read a great deal about viruses, so I now have a basic academic understanding of virology. 

You on the other hand are likely totally ignorant on both counts: you probably have never had any personal experience with severe disease linked to viruses, and you probably know next to nothing about virology.

If I asked you to name 20 common viruses that infect humans, would you be able to? Do you know the difference between a DNA and an RNA virus? Do you understand the mechanisms by which viruses are able to persist long-term in the body?

I think you would be unable to answer any of these most basic questions, and yet here you are, with zero expertise, trying to tell everyone what's really going down in this pandemic.  

Your recent posts have become very self-indulgent, what with telling us all about your viral woes in the past. Try to get over it. Find a girl, start a family, enjoy your life.

Thank you for the advice. The reality is that a lot of myalgic encephalomyelitis /chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) patients like myself are too ill to even leave their bed, except for a few hours where they might watch some TV lying down on the sofa. The body's entire energy system is crashed, and there is no energy to do anything. On top of that, you have crippling brain fog, which can make even the simplest of tasks very hard.

I was in that condition for many years. Now I have improved a bit, so that I am not bedbound all day an night, but am still semi-housebound, and not able to work. 

Most ME/CFS patients would love to get back to normal life: have a job, have their own place to live, and have a relationship. But for most people ME/CFS is a lifelong condition, and you are just left to rot. There is no medical help, because ME/CFS is considered by many ignorant medics as an "all in the mind" condition, that the patient brings on themself by having the wrong attitude. Worse still, because of this ignorance, very little research goes into trying to find cures. The ME/CFS patient community are extremely angry about the way they have been abandoned.

Pamojja has ME/CFS too, but a more mild condition, which allows him to work. I find it extraordinary that pamojja is also downplaying the seriousness of coronavirus, given his background understanding of ME/CFS.