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ODAN 09 Dec 2011
I am a 22 years old with ADD with a passion for science, I am currently trying to get back into my studies to earn my bachelor degree and eventually become a biologist.
I spent the last month learning about nootropics in this forum, I loved it. This is such an interesting subject.
Before talking about nootropics, here's a few things about my diet.
I drink a bowl of green tea in the morning, and a bowl of green rooibos in the evening. I intend to add a bowl of Hibiscus tea to my 12 o'clock lunch, as soon as it arrives.
I drink a few different 100% fruit juice and one smoothie of fruits everyday.
I eat nuts. Everytime I eat something, I eat a mouthful of them. Don't know why, probably learned somewhere it was pretty good for you and took on the habit.
I use diligently the Vimmortal supplement. For future reference, in one serving of 6 capsules, two for each lunch of the day, there is 100mcg of Vitamin B9, 24mcg of Vitamin B12, 550mg of Choline.
I don't know what else is there to say about my diet, I'd say it's pretty good. Lots of fruits and vegetables, meat. I'm trying to cut down a bit my bread consumption as too much gluten can be harmful for you. I brush my teeth and floss regulary right after eating, well, ahah. I've got a pretty balanced diet.
What else could I add ? Well I exercise everyday. Not enough perhaps, but I do a bit of biking everyday, running errands most of the time.
I constantly run an air purifier, a blueair, in my bedroom, where I spend most of my time. I also got an Areca plant there.
Oh, and I am 1m76 tall and weight 71kg, which is my ideal BMI.
So yes, as you can see I'm not planning for a magical longevity pill to fall on my lap, I'm doing my best to enhance my chances ahahah
Now, let's talk about them nootropics.
Here's what I got in my sights:
Piracetam + Uridine + ALCAR + Lion's mane + Fish oil
What do you think ? Could I (safely) add anything to it ?
Uridine + ALCAR (http://www.longecity...nisms-of-alcar/) pretty much erase the need for a choline supplement, what's more I got the Vimmortal supplement so everything choline related seems pretty much covered.
However, what about the B9 and B12 ? Should I get more supplement of it, despite Vimmortal ? Mr.Happy did quote a study that essentially showed that we need to have sufficient amounts of B9 and B12 if we are to use Uridine, or there would be trouble. I don't like trouble. Thing is, I have no idea if I am getting sufficient B9 and B12 from my diet and Vimmortal, if I am to use Uridine on top of it.
What about DHA, EPA, E ? I probably skipped their effect combined with Uridine, but apparently, they are important. Could you lighten my bulb please, Mr.Happy ?
Piracetam for obvious reasons. If it failed after a few weeks of trial and error, I'll try Aniracetam.
Lion's Mane for its NGF properties, I intend to take the Fungi Perfect liquid version.
Fish oil because all the cool kids are doing it and I don't want to be left behind. However there are small risks of mercury poisoning and I already got my fillings to worry about. From the little I know, big fishes that eat the little fishes are much more likely to poison you with mercury. Thing is, I hardly think we can make fish oil with the livers of plankton, if they even have one. The safest bet would be fish oil made with fishes that are kept in captivity. Salt water or not, if they're kept close to land and can't wander too far, they should carry much less risks.
Anyone know a fish oil made from fishes grown in captivity, or with very low risk of mercury poisoning ?
Lastly, my researches have been all about understanding nootropics and brain chemistry, while putting aside their method of consumption, what size, how many times a day, and so on.
If someone could teach me about those, I'd be very grateful. I can find information about this on the forum, but I'd like to know a bit more personal approach. I can find how much piracetam one should take every day easily. But I can't find how much piracetam one should take if he's taking Uridine and ALCAR at the same time.
I'll need your help on this one.
Well, that's pretty much it. There's a few other things that seem interesting that I'll study, like BCAA, L-Glutamine with Ginkgo or Gotu Kola or Valerian root, Ashwagandha, Huperzine A, Bacopa,
Citicoline, Berocca, Tyrosine, Malic acid, Idebenone, R-ala. If you feel like teaching me about one of those because it might synergize well with my current list, feel free to do so.
Thank you everyone, you've been a great, great help to me. I couldn't have learned so much without you all.
ODAN 09 Dec 2011
MrHappy 10 Dec 2011
Vimmortal should cover your vitamin needs, but I'd consider additional zinc.
SuperjackDid_ 10 Dec 2011
Piracetam for obvious reasons. If it failed after a few weeks of trial and error, I'll try Aniracetam.
i think you can stick with Piracetam ,add Pregnenolone + adaptogen
Piracetam efficiency depend on balance of hormones
i have experment with many nootropics but i'm back for quest about Piracetam efficiency .
like someone on board said ,Piracetam surpass his expectation !me too.
ODAN 10 Dec 2011
Excellent, I'll check out the flaxseed oil ! Thanks
I'll check out what Pregnenolone and Adaptogen are. So Piracetam depend on a balance of hormones ? I remember a thread where people on low-carb diet suffered quite a great deal under the effect on piracetam. Once they ate some carbs again, piracetam stopped having such ill effects. Perhaps it's related ?
Man, I wish I was educated enough to dwell into this. Ahahah, I'd better educate myself for my bachelor degree before my biology one.
Alright, time to research some more today. Thanks guys
ODAN 12 Dec 2011
I'll replace the fish oil by flaxseed oil as Mr.Happy recommended, for DHA/EPA ALA, I am thinking about eating spirulina, what do you guys think ? I'm not too fond of the idea of DHA/EPA ratios and whatnot, I'd rather eat a food that contain it and let my body do its job on this one.
Wow Nootropix, nice one on the Pregnenolone ! I haven't finished my research on it but boy does it show promise ! Thanks a lot !
However, why an adaptogen ? This just gave me an enormous amount of study to do ahah, it seems to be a very wide topic. I understand the Pregnenolone, but why the adoptogen ? Do you have an advice as to which to take ?
ODAN 23 Dec 2011
For the Pregnenolone, I'm 22, I don't think I need an hormone precursor yet, do I ?
However, it may perhaps be useful, I've seen a person on the forum whose Piracetam effects were incredibly dwindling. A few doses of Pregnenolone and back to its original effects it was ! It does seem like you said, Nootropix.
But again, I'm 22. Do you think I really should supplement this on the long term ?
I believe it would be better, as a 22 years old man, to take Pregnenolone the day I feel terrible taking Piracetam and no matter what I do, I can't get Piracetam to have its old effects on me.
I'd really like your opinion on this.
For Rhodiola, I believe I'll get it here http://www.shi.se/arctic_root.htm.
Here's the list so far
Piracetam + Uridine (Sublingual) + ALCAR + Lion's mane [FUNGI PERFECT LIQUID ORAL] + Vimmortal + Flaxseed oil for omega + Spirulina for EPA, DHA, ALA, everything under the sun + Ashwaganda + Rhodiola [ARCTIC ROOT Swedish Herbal Institute]
Alright I'll start to dwell a bit in doses.
For Piracetam and Alcar, I'll go with Chrono's words.
I would recommend 800-1200mg piracetam, twice a day (5 hours apart). Some people recommend an "attack dose" of double this for a few weeks, but I don't think it's entirely necessary. I would recommend 1g of ALCAR with each dose of piracetam.
ODAN 23 Dec 2011
Right now, having done almost no research on Gotu Kola, I will keep it on the side in case Ashwaganda or Rhodiola is unbearable for me.
ODAN 23 Dec 2011
http://www.longecity...ension-drug-r32
ODAN 23 Dec 2011
Uh. Seems like there's a time limit to edit stuff. Well, alright then.
Piracetam + Uridine (Sublingual) [ECOLOGICAL FORMULA] + ALCAR + Lion's mane [FUNGI PERFECT LIQUID ORAL] + Vimmortal + Flaxseed oil for omega + Spirulina for EPA, DHA, ALA, everything under the sun + Ashwaganda [JARROW] + Rhodiola [ARCTIC ROOT Swedish Herbal Institute] + Bacopa
Addendum: Rhodiola will be cycled 5 days on and two days off per week and then 1 month off every three months.
I add Bacopa to the stack, and take it with Ashwaganda before sleep.
For the order, I'll probably take Piracetam + Uridine + ALCAR for a few days, if nothing happens, I'll add Lion's Mane, then Rhodiola in the morning, then Ashwagandha in the evening, then Bacopa in the evening.
I'm already taking Vimmortal, Flaxseed oil and Spirulina, I feel fine ! Ahahah
Edited by ODAN, 23 December 2011 - 03:36 PM.
gamesguru 23 Dec 2011
piracetam, fish/flax oil, uridine, alcar, lion's maine, rhodiloa, spirulina, and Vimmortal are all good ideas.
ODAN 23 Dec 2011
I think I actually got my stack made here. Now, I need to know the doses and the brands. I'm halfway there after two months of research, I'm pretty happy ahahah
Thanks again for the answer !
Addendum: Piracetam + Uridine (Sublingual) [Bulk powder] + ALCAR + Lion's mane [FUNGI PERFECT LIQUID ORAL] + Vimmortal + Flaxseed oil for omega + Spirulina for EPA, DHA, ALA, everything under the sun + Ashwaganda [JARROW] + Rhodiola [ARCTIC ROOT Swedish Herbal Institute] + Bacopa [AyurSanté]
The bacopa of AyurSanté is 40% Saponnins containing Bacosides and each capsule is 600mg.
Regarding time and doses:
800-1200mg piracetam twice a day (5 hours apart). With 1g of ALCAR with each dose of piracetam.
Uridine powder taken sublingualy 250mg
Lion's mane: 20 drop twice per day
Rhodiola: 2 capsules of 180mg in the morning
Ashwaganda will be one pill of Jarrow every evening, 225mg
Bacopa will be one pill every evening, 600mg
Hmm, hmm. I believe I'm pretty much done
Edited by ODAN, 23 December 2011 - 07:34 PM.
ODAN 23 Dec 2011
I searched and could not find a brand that was convincingly over every other in regard to ALCAR and Piracetam.
Does anybody have a recommendation ?
Right now, I have Relentless Improvement and Cerebral Health in my sights. Wait, scratch that. The prices of Relentless Improvement are blown in the water by Cerebral Health bulk prices.
http://www.cerebralh...supplements.php
I'd really like some input on that one. Anybody got a good brand of Piracetam or ALCAR in bulk ?
I'll wait for advices until I receive an answer to an e-mail I sent to all European distributor of Arctic Root by the Swedish Herbal Institute to inquire their prices.
I'll also research on my side until then.
If nothing comes up then, Cerebral Health it is.
Thanks for all the help so far guys
MrHappy 24 Dec 2011
Also, maybe this is worth reading:
http://www.longecity...673#entry492673
ODAN 24 Dec 2011
I drink only green-tea as far as caffeine-like stuff goes, and it's theine. And I already drink milk and apple juice, to limit absorption of Fluor and Aluminum in my Green tea =)
Health health health, ahahah, thanks again
nito 24 Dec 2011
Hehehe, indeed indeed, thank you. I actually am an enormous tea drinker ! I drink a bowl of green tea, one of Hibiscus and one of green Rooibos everyday !
I think I actually got my stack made here. Now, I need to know the doses and the brands. I'm halfway there after two months of research, I'm pretty happy ahahah
Thanks again for the answer !
Addendum: Piracetam + Uridine (Sublingual) [Bulk powder] + ALCAR + Lion's mane [FUNGI PERFECT LIQUID ORAL] + Vimmortal + Flaxseed oil for omega + Spirulina for EPA, DHA, ALA, everything under the sun + Ashwaganda [JARROW] + Rhodiola [ARCTIC ROOT Swedish Herbal Institute] + Bacopa [AyurSanté]
The bacopa of AyurSanté is 40% Saponnins containing Bacosides and each capsule is 600mg.
Regarding time and doses:
800-1200mg piracetam twice a day (5 hours apart). With 1g of ALCAR with each dose of piracetam.
Uridine powder taken sublingualy 250mg
Lion's mane: 20 drop twice per day
Rhodiola: 2 capsules of 180mg in the morning
Ashwaganda will be one pill of Jarrow every evening, 225mg
Bacopa will be one pill every evening, 600mg
Hmm, hmm. I believe I'm pretty much done
20 drops lions mane a day sounds alot, is it not meant to be like 2 drops a day?
ODAN 24 Dec 2011
http://www2.mailorde...ITEM=1&MITEM=1I
I thought it was a lot, too. I don't know how long each bottle will last like this =/
But, well, perhaps I didn't read it well ?
ODAN 26 Dec 2011
Man I'm still having trouble with that Piracetam and Alcar. I'll keep searching, but if anybody got a recommendation, I'm very much all ears ahah
Once I get the ALCAR and the Piracetam, I'll purchase everything and ship it home, try it, and tell you of my experience.
ODAN 26 Dec 2011
I can't find bulk piracetam except on Cerebral Health. So, I might as well get Piracetam and Alcar from them.
Is there objections ?
NeuronicObserver 27 Dec 2011
csrpj 27 Dec 2011
ODAN 27 Dec 2011
Wisdom calls to listen to you, and I will. Thank you.
kevinseven11 28 Dec 2011
Alot of these nootropics will decrease your libido whether from hormone changes or any other mechanism (Probably unknown) so Id advise you to add either Cordyceps (C. sinensis)
or Mucuna Pruriens to increase your testosterone and or libido. These nootropics/libido enhancers are needed by some (active men) and unneeded by most.
Edit: Also any choline source is anti dopamine, so thats another reason to include mucuna.
Edited by kevinseven11, 28 December 2011 - 05:09 AM.
kevinseven11 28 Dec 2011
MrHappy 28 Dec 2011
http://www.longecity...ne-uridine-dha/
http://www.longecity...r-dha-vitamins/
ODAN 28 Dec 2011
I remember reading somewhere that Salmon was a better source than Cod, was it right ? Gotta read more on the subject. Ahahah, and I thought I was done.
I believe I'll go for Cerebral Health for the piracetam and the alcar, by the way.
Ah, and I don't mind the decrease in libido, for now.
ODAN 28 Dec 2011
Alright, I'm about to pull the trigger.
Piracetam [Bulk powder: Cerebral Health] + Uridine (Sublingual) [Bulk powder from Ebay] + ALCAR [Bulk powder: Cerebral Health] + Lion's mane [FUNGI PERFECT LIQUID ORAL] + Vimmortal + Fish oil [Nordic Natural] + Ashwaganda [JARROW] + Bacopa [AyurSanté]