Choline
#1
Posted 27 January 2012 - 10:56 PM
Choline
#2
Posted 27 January 2012 - 11:07 PM
#3
Posted 28 January 2012 - 03:22 PM
Yes, BUT reduce from 550 mg to 50 mg and switch to phosphatidylcholine.
I tend to agree with this statement. Please see this thread as well.
#4
Posted 28 January 2012 - 03:44 PM
Edited by nupi, 28 January 2012 - 03:45 PM.
#5
Posted 06 February 2012 - 01:22 AM
It seems to me that maybe this time a little more attention to potential customers should be paid. Last time I got the feeling that purchasers were railroaded over the interests of a select group. This is how we landed up with too much choline and a lot of lost potential sales. I really think that there are some big unanswered questions about just who this multi is targeting.
#6
Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:24 PM
So if you reduce choline to 50mg. Then if the avg. person takes 1/3rd dose daily -- will 16mg of choline even matter anymore? It's just taking up space for not much benefit. And if using choline bitartrate, it could in fact be harming people. Michael also brought up a point in a previous thread of having a problem even finding a clean source of phosphatidylcholine to begin with (no idea if this is still true or not).
#7
Posted 09 February 2012 - 10:22 PM
That's why I'd rather see Vimmortal remain as a strict basics-covering multi, nothing more. People in the general public might see the choline in Vimmortal and wonder what it is, or it might even prevent them from buying in the first place. I also strongly feel the lithium should be removed, but I'll make that comment in the lithium thread.
#8
Posted 16 February 2012 - 07:00 AM
I disagree with this reasoning. You cannot compare lycopene, GTE, and then choline. The former two are plant phytonutrients, choline is an essential daily nutrient, with well documented deficiency in the general population.I'd rather see choline taken out entirely, and not have Vimmortal go down the path of one of those "kitchen sink" multis. Keep it to a multivitamin/multimineral - that's it. Things like lycopene (eat more tomatoes), green tea extract (drink green tea, though I know it's not currently in Vimmortal) and choline (eat more eggs) are all easily obtained from specific foods that can be added to one's diet. The stress, as always, should be fixing your nutrient intake through diet first before resorting to supplementation.
That's why I'd rather see Vimmortal remain as a strict basics-covering multi, nothing more. People in the general public might see the choline in Vimmortal and wonder what it is, or it might even prevent them from buying in the first place. I also strongly feel the lithium should be removed, but I'll make that comment in the lithium thread.
Overall I feel it should be included, but am agnostic to its form and dosage. I also appreciate some of the concerns about its supplementation (which I have not had a chance to delve into).
Perhaps the Choline issue could be solved later in the development, where it could be the difference between say 2 or 3 capsules for a full dose. With a better idea of the final formulation, maybe we could take into account numbers of caps, or cap size, the form to use. So as an arbitrary example if we got Vimmortal down to 2 caps and it meant we could only include 200mg then the general consensus might be yes to that amount.
#9
Posted 16 February 2012 - 10:44 AM
Besides, choline supps are relatively cheap and many of us are already supplementing it in some form so including it here might just be overkill..
#10
Posted 17 February 2012 - 09:36 PM
#11
Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:33 PM
#12
Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:23 PM
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