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[cel075]

Hey guys,

So i ordered some Noots from Mind Nutrition, as i previously have had the best purity from them.

Anyway, My order consisted of

Neurostim- Aniracetam 420mg, DMAE 310mg, Vinpocetine 10mg
+ You can stack these two together
Neurodrive- Sulbutiamine,Guarana Extract, ECCG, Vinpocetine (They don't list the amounts)

Oxiracetam-750mg Caps

Pramiracetam- 300mg Caps

Citicoline- 250mg Caps

So my question is, what would be the best stack possible? Im currently prescribed Adderall IR 10mg , and it helps get me out of bed in the morning and off to work with energy + focus, but it doesnt help with memory and i have pretty bad anxiety (refuse to go on anti-anxiety pills because they make me so tired and cause me to black out even after a couple drinks). I was going to order Aniracetam, but it's already in Neurostim. I haven't tried Oxiracetam or Aniracetam so im excited to see what i get from that. I've tried Pramiracetam, but it gives me more brain fog than it does help me (probably because i wasn't taking a good source of choline and i only had the powders so i had to pretty much eye out how much i was taking). I'm not enitrely sure what Oxiracetam does. I've read it's meant for focus, and i've read that its an amazing "photographic" agent.


So basically im looking for the best stack from what i've ordered that will help me with verbal fluency, memory (that flows off the tip of my tongue), Anxiety/Social anxiety ( especially for sales meetings), and energy/drive like adderall gives me ( Im guessing Neurodrive with help with that.. ha).

[scitris]

First. You cant build your individual stack with unpersonal finished stacks like neurostim and neurodrive.
Second. you have to buy/test all substances at their own, so only one after another and that only after a timeframe.
Third. After finding a well-suiting nootropic/substance for you, you have to test different dosages for the optimal effects.
Fourth. To think that neurodrive will do it like adderall is ridiculous.
Fifth. To build a stack you have to use the right ingredients, but for that you have to think well what you really want to.
sxith. With that knowledge you have to learn about different nootripics, to find the "correct ones" that have a good chance to fullfill your wishes.
seventh. Be you own personal labrat

Be careful. Guarana Extract has caffeine in it, so dont let fool you because of the effect.
Neurodrive and neurostim have vinpocetine. They both have it, so who told you you could that stack them together?
This all makes no sense!

And one more tip, pramiracetam will not give you anything positive even if you use a choline source. It hasnt nothing to do with with choline. There are two things, your dosage and the substance itself.
You should try it with another dosage. Most racetams display their efficancy in a form of a reversed u shape or bell curve.
If you found out a dosage with benefits, then you could add a choline source to eventually get more of an effect.
Your desire still putting pramiracetam after a bad experience in your stack, without knowing why i failed, shows your overpushed imagine you have from nootropics, how they work and what they could do to you.

#1 Get a real picture of nootropics, only then you know what to expect and how to react to specific experiences with a nootropic.
Either way, your real life experiences you will make in the future with that nootropics will show you that your picture u had from that class of substances isnt rational and imaginations cant overlap the laws of nature.
A good player doesnt try to adapt the reality to their imaginations, they adapt their imaginations to the reality.

Why i say that? vinpocetine is a potent vasodilator, a little too high dosage has the opposite effect you wanna and you have a very good chance for that. Their are enough people who has negative experiences with DMAE (a bit depressed (simple expressed)). Guarana Extract has caffeine in it. Im sure the dosage of eccg is to low in neurodrive. Fixed dosage with aniracetam cant be the optimal but its more likely to be negative with a single try fixed dosage. The only things that i see that are OK but more not with a fixed dosage is sulbutiamine, oxiracetam and citicoline. But i dont want to get more detailed, because a person who first orders (first acts) and then asks (then thinks...) should first discipline hisself DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

sorry for my harder "language" but im a bit impatient

[cel075]

First. You cant build your individual stack with unpersonal finished stacks like neurostim and neurodrive.
Second. you have to buy/test all substances at their own, so only one after another and that only after a timeframe.
Third. After finding a well-suiting nootropic/substance for you, you have to test different dosages for the optimal effects.
Fourth. To think that neurodrive will do it like adderall is ridiculous.
Fifth. To build a stack you have to use the right ingredients, but for that you have to think well what you really want to.
sxith. With that knowledge you have to learn about different nootripics, to find the "correct ones" that have a good chance to fullfill your wishes.
seventh. Be you own personal labrat

Be careful. Guarana Extract has caffeine in it, so dont let fool you because of the effect.
Neurodrive and neurostim have vinpocetine. They both have it, so who told you you could that stack them together?
This all makes no sense!

And one more tip, pramiracetam will not give you anything positive even if you use a choline source. It hasnt nothing to do with with choline. There are two things, your dosage and the substance itself.
You should try it with another dosage. Most racetams display their efficancy in a form of a reversed u shape or bell curve.
If you found out a dosage with benefits, then you could add a choline source to eventually get more of an effect.
Your desire still putting pramiracetam after a bad experience in your stack, without knowing why i failed, shows your overpushed imagine you have from nootropics, how they work and what they could do to you.

#1 Get a real picture of nootropics, only then you know what to expect and how to react to specific experiences with a nootropic.
Either way, your real life experiences you will make in the future with that nootropics will show you that your picture u had from that class of substances isnt rational and imaginations cant overlap the laws of nature.
A good player doesnt try to adapt the reality to their imaginations, they adapt their imaginations to the reality.

Why i say that? vinpocetine is a potent vasodilator, a little too high dosage has the opposite effect you wanna and you have a very good chance for that. Their are enough people who has negative experiences with DMAE (a bit depressed (simple expressed)). Guarana Extract has caffeine in it. Im sure the dosage of eccg is to low in neurodrive. Fixed dosage with aniracetam cant be the optimal but its more likely to be negative with a single try fixed dosage. The only things that i see that are OK but more not with a fixed dosage is sulbutiamine, oxiracetam and citicoline. But i dont want to get more detailed, because a person who first orders (first acts) and then asks (then thinks...) should first discipline hisself DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

sorry for my harder "language" but im a bit impatient

Calm yourself buddy...

First off, I have been using nootropics for years. i actually used aniracetam before, just for a short period of time. The only ones i havent experienced are oxiracetam and phenylracetam. Which is WHY my reason for posting this was to figure out a decent stack and how these two work compared to pram and ani. YES i know what dosages to take based on your own body, that's one of the first things to learn about racetams.. And the reason i was getting brain fog, was simply from taking too much pramiracetam, after i lowered the dose it has been much better. i didn't ever say i had any bad experiences with it.. when did i even state that? I love prami.. And actually yes most people do use a choline source when they have been using racetams for awhile to prevent the fog or headaches or simply create better effects. like i have been. But i ran out of my tub. Also WHEN did i once say Neurodrive would be like adderall?! I said i want something to help give me energy "LIKE" as in somewhat similar, to adderall, clearly there isn't going to be a nootropic that gives better or the same energy as amphetamines. Also, adderall isn't even close to what people think it does. I've DONE MY HOME WORK for awhile.You seriously think id order all those without ever trying them before (besides oxi)? I wanted an opinion from other peoples experiences you tool.

What the hell are you saying get a real picture of nootropics for? Did i state something that said " OMG!!! NOOTROPICS ARE NZT48 FROM THE MOVIE LIMITLESS RIGHT?! OMG I NEED THEM IM BUYING ALL OF THEM"

I've used them for years, like i said above, so i got a pretty damn good idea on what they do. I wanted stack suggestions. And i threw in the neurostim/neurodrive in the topic because i ordered my noots from mindnutrition , so i wanted to see if anyone had their opinions on them as well. Simply stating a question. I really hope you aren't "impatient" like this in the "Real World" because im guessing you'd probably have a few missing teeth right now.

But hey, thanks for the tips!!!!

[noot_in_the_sky]

There was a study that to much NOS could kill brain cells. Pramiracetam can also act as a vasodilator so taking it with vinpocetine may not be a good idea.

I have found that centro is the best choline source for pramiracetam and to avoid brain fog.

Have you try sunifiram to help you out for social anxiety?

[scitris]

YOU:

I've tried Pramiracetam, but it gives me more brain fog than it does help me (probably because i wasn't taking a good source of choline and i only had the powders so i had to pretty much eye out how much i was taking)

ME:

And one more tip, pramiracetam will not give you anything positive even if you use a choline source. It hasnt nothing to do with with choline. There are two things, your dosage and the substance itself.
You should try it with another dosage. Most racetams display their efficancy in a form of a reversed u shape or bell curve.

YOU:

And the reason i was getting brain fog, was simply from taking too much pramiracetam, after i lowered the dose it has been much better.i didn't ever say i had any bad experiences with it.. when did i even state that?

So basically im looking for the best stack from what i've ordered that will help me with verbal fluency, memory (that flows off the tip of my tongue), Anxiety/Social anxiety ( especially for sales meetings), and energy/drive like adderall gives me ( Im guessing Neurodrive with help with that.. ha).

So you say that you are searching for a combination of that nootropics you ordered that helps with energy/drive like adderall gives you. You have to admit that this sentence could be misunderstood.

Also WHEN did i once say Neurodrive would be like adderall?! I said i want something to help give me energy "LIKE" as in somewhat similar, to adderall, clearly there isn't going to be a nootropic that gives better or the same energy as amphetamines.

And a sentence like

I'm not enitrely sure what Oxiracetam does. I've read it's meant for focus, and i've read that its an amazing "photographic" agent.

looks like be driven by anecdotal reoprts and you sure recognize afterwars that this sentence sounds a bit naive.

What the hell are you saying get a real picture of nootropics for? Did i state something that said " OMG!!! NOOTROPICS ARE NZT48 FROM THE MOVIE LIMITLESS RIGHT?! OMG I NEED THEM IM BUYING ALL OF THEM"

You wrote that because you think it would change my image i have of your thinking and that in conclusion of you, like of a more mature way, but trying this with such a sentence thats so ridiculous and simple, because an unreal idea of such substances didnt has to express itself in a such extreme way, isnt helping you and trying to convince with that tells much more from you than from me.

I want to stop here. My mood at the moment isnt the best, this happens the most times when eat nuts. Yeah im not joking. I get impatient, a little bit in rage, lightly irritable. Yeah you are right beeing like this in real life doesnt make the things easy with other people.