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#61 shadowhawk

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 11:39 PM

 

 

I am going to wave my magic science wand and invoke quantum superposition for brain back-up. Your brain/mind/consciousness could be in a state of superposition with several back-up copies throughout the galaxy. If one physical body gets the axe, you just keep on going as the same person in a different place. Come to think of that, maybe it would make a good sci-fi flick. Good guy trying to hunt down several minds of the "bad" guy and kill them simultaneously.

 

Okay, more realistically, we don't know all there is to know about time, physics, the universe, consciousness, etc... so it is hard to say how long we could live.

 

I know that it is not good marketing to talk about "immortality", but it is a useful term when discussing life extension. It is a boundary condition. We use infinity in math all the time...no one freaks out about the fact that you can never count to infinity. Heck, we even use imaginary numbers...where is the outrage?!

Very good point, Mind, and it also isn't too smart for someone to generalize with regard to immortality and morality, trying to fuse the two into the same sentence completely takes away the individuality and concept thereof in respect to each person's lifestyle , movement, and goals - criticism should be minimized in that regard. If one looks upon a star and the star tells them they are immortal, some are going to believe, and then some are going to call them a schizo, and others are going to call them a drug abuser, and yet again, others will call them demon influenced, and yet.....where is perception in all of this? Where is individuality, it's this type of notion that hinders us and yet gives others a false sense of progression!

 

 

"Living indefinitely" is terminology for better marketing.

 

That could mean two minutes.  Should be an easy sell.  :)



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 03:05 PM

That could mean two minutes.  Should be an easy sell.  :)

 

Sure. Still mathematically better than a range defined variable though. ;)



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 07:56 PM

This way you can say nothing but look like you did.  :)



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Posted 18 December 2014 - 08:26 PM

This way you can say nothing but look like you did.  :)

 

If you compare a random number from 0 to 80 with a random number from 0 to infinity, the second one will be larger than the first almost always. So it is saying something.

Granted there are the rare occurrences where the defined range will produce a larger number but it's rare.

We're are a long way from the indefinite, but it's a good final aim and indefinite lifespan is good phrase to use, I think. Of course that's personal preference, you can use whatever wording you prefer.


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Posted 19 December 2014 - 12:27 AM

You are right but it still says nothing.  The human lifespan is relatively short.    so "indefinite," would be short indeed.



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Posted 19 December 2014 - 12:52 AM

You are right but it still says nothing.  The human lifespan is relatively short.    so "indefinite," would be short indeed.

 

Well that's the thing. When we say indefinite, we mean unlimited by aging - you can use that if indefinite bothers you that much.

Aging gives a definitive range of expected life. Remove aging and you get an indefinite range.

If aging was the only thing to kill people we would say infinite. But it's not. Hence indefinite.



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Posted 19 December 2014 - 01:03 AM

I fail to see how "indefinjte" = death by aging.  Aging is a big one but there are other things that cause death within a short term.  It is not worth argument.  Reality of physical things will win out I suspect.



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Posted 19 December 2014 - 10:07 AM

Why not we suppose, that if we live and develop science long enough, we will eliminate the other causes of death either. Developments in self - driving cars for example, may lead the car accidents to 0 after lets say 50-60 years.







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