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#121 aconita

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 04:26 PM

"i cant find the stable version anywhere on the internet, but on the other hand the generic version seems to be sold all over the place so i might be purchasing it soon and report"

 

Of course you can't find the stable version since it is patented and made exclusively by Diagen, if you want some join the group buy by PM me.

 

"I am interested in this but have never done an injectable.

Where does one get the needles and syringes?"

 

Insulin syringes 0.5 or 0.3 ml are ready available in any pharmacy.

 

But with the stable version the oral route is as effective as subq injections and the use as a supplement (everyday for unlimited time) becomes possible.

 

"Do you mean an older vial of bpc won't hurt me"

 

Since spoiling would be due by bacteria proliferating on it I wouldn't recommend injecting spoiled peptides, likely nothing would happen but better to play safe than being sorry, just in case.

 

In this specific case the degree of spoilage should be around 10% and might not be a major issue but I wouldn't be comfortable with more than that.


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#122 GreenmachineX

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 10:46 AM

Started using this Saturday night at 250mcg twice a day. Question though, why is subq recommended and not IM? If it works systemically, wouldn't IM work as well?

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 11:43 AM

Subq it's easier and safer to perform, plus an insulin syringe isn't meant for IM and a conventional syringe is too big for such tiny doses with a lot of getting wasted in the needle attachment etc..., in terms of effectiveness there isn't difference.



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Posted 28 August 2017 - 01:13 PM

Subq it's easier and safer to perform, plus an insulin syringe isn't meant for IM and a conventional syringe is too big for such tiny doses with a lot of getting wasted in the needle attachment etc..., in terms of effectiveness there isn't difference.


Oh ok, then I'll just keep shooting it straight in my delt for convenience. Thanks.

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 06:23 PM

I just remember everybody that there is currently a group buy going on for the stable version directly from Diagen, it will be available both in vials and in caps ready for oral use.

 

Whom is interested can PM me the amount wished, final price will depend by how big the order is going to be (I guess). 

 

Likely this group buy will close in a week or so. 



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Posted 28 August 2017 - 07:03 PM

I'll be wanting the vial kind as I'll be doing IM injects.



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 01:02 AM

Subq it's easier and safer to perform, plus an insulin syringe isn't meant for IM and a conventional syringe is too big for such tiny doses with a lot of getting wasted in the needle attachment etc..., in terms of effectiveness there isn't difference.


Insulin syringes for IM is fantastic!!!! I speak from years of experience. No pain. No scaring. Insulin syringes are the bomb for IM injections!!!

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 03:48 AM

Sure but the needle is very thin and when stabbing for IM it might break, which I agree would be a quite rare accident but yet possible and kind of unpleasant when happens.

 

In a medical setting nobody will IM with an insulin syringe for a reason.

 

When IM there is always the risk to get into a vein, than your IM turns into an IV, with peptides likely not a huge deal but better to avoid (since bacterial load is unknown but always a reality might be smarter to let the immune system the time to take care of it in some tissue than shooting it in the blood stream where it gets in vital organs right away).

 

Iin order to do it correctly before injecting one should draw in to make sure no blood comes in the syringe as guarantee that the needle isn't inside a vein, there is a reason why only licensed nurses can perform IM...and the only prescribed self administered injections are subq.

 

That said one is free to do what better wishes but I don't feel like recommending it.

 

Reason for IM is that injecting subq a considerable amount of liquid isn't optimal but this isn't a concern with peptides because amounts are ridiculously tiny.

 

Subq is easy, painless, safe and as effective as IM, why make things more complicate than they are without any reason?.


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#129 GreenmachineX

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 04:49 PM

Day 3 Bpc-157 at 250mcg twice a day IM in right delt. Already feeling a little pain reduction in certain movements, for example, brushing my teeth this morning was pain free. Hard to tell if range of motion is improved or if it's just in my head.

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 06:25 AM

im going to get bpc soon but i will take it only orally. at 5mg, how long will it last, 2-3 days?? that will suck as it will rave up the cost exponentially over time


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 09:48 AM

Hey everyone just passing through after an absence.  Started trialing some bpc about 3 days ago.  Will see how it goes.  

 

Aconita,  I'm interested in the buy if you haven't done it yet.  I just pm'd you.

 

It would be better, if just for the lulz, if there was a :facepalm: button along with the other buttons for rating posts here.  hehe

 

Regards all!



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 10:15 AM

im going to get bpc soon but i will take it only orally. at 5mg, how long will it last, 2-3 days?? that will suck as it will rave up the cost exponentially over time

 

Hazy,

What are you planning on treating with it?

 

Thanks.



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 07:30 PM

i was hoping to use it for getting off benzos since i read it helped restore function after quiting diazepam also it should help with alcohol abuse from a similar study i read



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:03 AM

ah, ok.  seems like this can be a good candidate to try then.  perhaps also low dose naltrexone therapy, may wanna look at that too.



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:16 AM

Hey all,  was wondering if either variation of BPC could be reconstituted with a greater level of alcohol, say ethyl, like vodka or something, to extend its shelf life for oral use.  could that feasibly work or would it destroy the bonds in the structure?  any thoughts?



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:13 PM

Bacteriostatic water is sterile water and benzyl alcohol.

 

Injecting pure alcohol might not be the most pleasurable experience.



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Posted 15 September 2017 - 03:07 AM

ah, ok.  seems like this can be a good candidate to try then.  perhaps also low dose naltrexone therapy, may wanna look at that too.

 

 

i know about naltrexone for ages and have been trying to get it for just as long but here in US, its very difficult to prescribe. its not popular and you need a specialist to do it, but they wont take insurance and that stuff is super expensive



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 10:53 AM

 

I might offer to organize a group buy for either the stable BPC vials and/or for the ready to use caps, shelf life for both is 1 year at room temperature.

 
 

 

Aconita, I talked a bit with Diagen, and the said shelf life for stable version is 6 months. Can you tell me why you think it will last a year?

 

Does refrigeration prolong the shelf-life?



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 10:44 PM

That is strange since I still have two of their e-mails stating shelf life for the stable version as 1 year at 25°C both for the vials and the caps (properly prepared).

 

Refrigeration will prolong shelf life but can backfire.

 

Vials will do all right but have to always stay in the fridge, taking them in and out will cause humidity to be drawn inside the vial because of pressure difference (hot air versus cold air), this will lead to powder getting reconstituted by humidity (condense) and get spoiled (been there).

 

Caps would be even trickier since less "sealed" than vials, of course.

 

In my knowledge humidity is a main player in peptides shelf life, the arginine molecule attached to the end of BPC stable version is what makes it stable because of its hydrophobic nature (repels water).

 

Certainly I don't recommend to keep all caps in the fridge, eventually only a well sealed container with the ones not needed everyday.

 

Another container for everyday use should be better kept at room temperature, a desiccating bag inside caps containers would be smart (those can be recycled periodically placing them in a microwave or low temperature oven for a few minutes).

 

I try my best to be as knowledgeable as I can on the subject but I am far from knowing it all, of course, if whom knows better says otherwise I am happy to stand correct.


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