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[YANNO]

I only have experience in using forskolin for my CILTEP stack

 

can anyone recommend a brand & suggested dosage for weight loss?

 

I heard that it has to have a high active amount of forskolin to be effective & most brands have very little

 

thanks in advance

[Advanc3d]

50mg of actual compound, so if the extract is 10%, then take 500mg..

 

but forskolin isnt that all effective by it self, it increases cAMP all around.

it is best to take it with EGCG (400mg) and some caffeine, and/or some direct cAMP inducers for the adipocytes, such as beta-2 agonists such as Higenamine, or Alpha-2 antagonists such as yohimbine

 

Forskolin with any catecholamine enhancers is several folds more potent

 

Probably the best combination would be 500mg (10% forskolin) + 400mg EGCG + 150mg Caffeine + 0.2mg/kg Yohimbine

[YANNO]

thanks @ Advanc3d

 

i will definitely try that stack!

 

1. how many times a day are those dosages for?

 

2. is the forskolin safe at that dose? 500mg? isnt it better to get a higher potency ? like %20 

thats why i asked what brand or ... where can i get a higher grade of forskolin?

[gn1tmac]

you can buy 99.9% pure forskolin from research supply labs. its expensive but might be worth it.

[Advanc3d]

thanks @ Advanc3d

 

i will definitely try that stack!

 

1. how many times a day are those dosages for?

 

2. is the forskolin safe at that dose? 500mg? isnt it better to get a higher potency ? like %20 

thats why i asked what brand or ... where can i get a higher grade of forskolin?

 

Well you should be concerned about the active ingredient. For e.g taking 5% Forskolin but double the amount as the 10% shouldn't make a difference..

 

Alpha-2 Antagonists like yohimbine works in the absence of elevated Insulin, such as early in the morning fast.

So generally yohimbine should be taken then, and you shouldnt eat for a few hours (not eating break fast isnt actually bad for someone, it can actually make you more alert in the morning by keeping the sympathetic system running rather than the parasympathetic which occurs after feedings.)

 

Insulin is a direct alpha-2 Agonist which counters the effects of yohimbine and fat loss in general.

If you want a very potent fat loss, depending on your current BodyFat%, i would employ a ketogenic diet + yohimbine, this combo will effectively get you down to under <8% if you wish. i was at 30% and i am now down to 11-12% within 3 months by diet alone and no cardio, i still do strength training. i have only lost maybe a kilo of lean muscle mass (initial body weight was 103kg). Ketotgenic diet mimics fasting by taking out carbonhydrate from the diet, and substituting your calories with moderate protein and high fat. This lowers insulin more than 80%, both basal insulin and postprandial insulin levels. This is very good because it reinforces the sympathetic pathway, thereby increasing catecholamines, free's up the Alpha-2 receptors (from insulin), and amongst 10 dozen other pathways.

 

 

 

But otherwise you can still have a effective weight loss; Yohimbine should be taken at a 0.2mg/kg for maximal effect for this purpose, but you should titrate it towards that dose over a few days just so you know how you feel on it

Forskolin they say should be taken twice a day at 25mg (active) each. so once with the yohimbine and once in the afternoon.

 

EGCG should always be taken on a empty stomach because food decreases bio-availability several fold; You should consider taking 250-500mg of vitamin C with EGCG, which increases potency even further. so perhaps with the yohimbine dose in the morning with one 300-400mg (active EGCG) in the morning along with 100-150mg caffeine and the first 25mg of forksolin.

 

I wouldnt personally bother with a higher purity forskolin; i'd go for Vitacost brand, very cheap per dose; sometimes they have a 2 for 1 deal for that product every now and then

 

you can buy 99.9% pure forskolin from research supply labs. its expensive but might be worth it.

 

Yea, though pure forskolin at 10mg isnt any more effective of 100mg (10%), but per dose could be 10x more expensive.

Edited by Advanc3d, 20 May 2014 - 11:44 PM.

[YANNO]

oh cool! I already do a ketogenic diet so i should be good to go...

 

Only thing is that i have a protein shake in the morning (only water & some flax seed, no carbs) 

Do you think that will mess up the effects?

 

I tried the : CILTEP with the Yohimbe (2.5mg) &  Caffiene (200mg)  & EGCG (400mg) this morning.. It had me FLYING haha

Im very happy with it so far

 

as for the forskolin I currently have a %10 at 100mg dose (so only 10mg of active forskolin)

 

I found this forskolin that im planning on getting.. it looks promising 

 

and not a bad price

 

http://www.nutraplan...95-60-caps.html

 

 

let me know your thoughts

 

[Advanc3d]

oh cool! I already do a ketogenic diet so i should be good to go...

 

Only thing is that i have a protein shake in the morning (only water & some flax seed, no carbs) 

Do you think that will mess up the effects?

 

I tried the : CILTEP with the Yohimbe (2.5mg) &  Caffiene (200mg)  & EGCG (400mg) this morning.. It had me FLYING haha

Im very happy with it so far

 

as for the forskolin I currently have a %10 at 100mg dose (so only 10mg of active forskolin)

 

I found this forskolin that im planning on getting.. it looks promising 

 

and not a bad price

 

http://www.nutraplan...95-60-caps.html

 

 

let me know your thoughts

 

 

Well you can definitely use that product if you dont mind paying extra $$, else just take more of the 10% to make up the difference.

 

For yohimbine to be of benefit, you should titrate it to 0.2mg/kg of bodyweight

 

EGCG has to be taken on a fasted state, if that is what you are referring to. But according to examine.com, it says that if you consume quercetin, fishoil, and vitamin c together in a meal then it should retain, if not even increase the potency compared to fasted. But it will take 2 hours to reach max plasma concentration

 

The yohimbine is to be taken fasted, but that is the only case if you are following a mixed diet. on a ketogenic diet it doesn't really matter because insulin levels are very very low at all times. it would to my guess take 3 days of complete fast to get someones insulin levels as low as it is on a normal day of a ketogenic diet.

 

If you are following a ketogenic diet then you shouldnt be eating any carbs anyway? but the glucose production and therefore insulin response from Whey is comparable to HightGI carbs, so be scarce with it. i only consume Whey 10minutes before training and that is it.

 

 

You should see a lot of benefit from Yohimbine on a keto diet, you should have no barriers in getting rid of stubborn fat. I am currently stuck on 12 BF%, took me a few months to get to it and now i been at this % for 4 months.., yohimbine is impossible to get in australia, or for a vendor to successfully supply to australia. Only option at the moment for me is to do sprints 3x a week. My waist measurement plateaued on 87cm for 3 months (originally it was 106cm!!), did 3 weeks of sprints, dropped to 85cm

 

Apparently to get from a steady state cardio intensity compared to 95-100% intensity, stubborn fat cannot compete with the amount of catecholamines that are released as well as the hormonal effects from the amount of stress caused. Generally do 4x20second sprints with 4 minutes of rest between, 3x a week, which is barely anything, i found this highly effective. Steady State cardio did absolutely nothing... i cant believe people actually bother doing it. In our habitat the only time we did cardio was to hunt for food, and the cardio was short sprints to capture prey, our bodies were never made for jogging.... saying that a lot of the health problems we have these days are basically that our genetics have not changed for thousands of years, our bodies are used to eating fruit 3 months of a year, going through periods of intermittent fasting, and other times eating meat and fat (keto); when you change things around, then we have to go through a set period of 'survival of the fittest' obviously the ones who cannot keep up are the ones who get disease and become obese, the ones who remain lean on the same diet are seen to be "environmentally fit" genetically anyway; but due to medicine and its ability to keep people living despite this, puts a hold on evolution, hence the unlucky ones have to follow our prehistoric diets to be cancer/disease free.

 

If you look at the archaeological finds of skulls dating back before the agricultural age (10,000bc ) they all had perfect teeth and did not brush their teeth, they also claim that they were extremely lean and muscular. if you look at people who follow keto, or Intermittent fasting (leangains) you can see what people looked like back then.

Edited by Advanc3d, 21 May 2014 - 03:55 AM.

[YANNO]

@ advanc3d  Dude! im with you man

 

Ive been doing Keto for years now & i do a 15hour fast once a week, but i will look into leans gains as we speak!!!

 

so what does your breakfast look like?

i used to eat eggwhites & spinach for a long time. Now i use the protein because its faster in the morning.

 

u think if i get a protein blend i would be better off?  I just havent found one that i like

 

 

[Advanc3d]

@ advanc3d  Dude! im with you man

 

Ive been doing Keto for years now & i do a 15hour fast once a week, but i will look into leans gains as we speak!!!

 

so what does your breakfast look like?

i used to eat eggwhites & spinach for a long time. Now i use the protein because its faster in the morning.

 

u think if i get a protein blend i would be better off?  I just havent found one that i like

 

 

 

 

Well, i would still suggest Whey to be taken around training, particularly before training because it can be used like carbs in a way.

Ketones spare leucine anyway so you wouldnt really need a quick protein hit for 'maximising protein synthesis' because you cant really gain muscle on a ketogenic diet, atleast if you do it would be really slow due to lack of glycogen and water retention.

According to Lyle McDonald, and even Leangain's author, as long as you meet you daily macronutrients, whether it be in 1 meal, or in 10, doesnt matter.. protein gets absorbed at a set rate; fasted, Whey absorbs 10g/hour, so 100g would = 10 hours. (mixed food is 4-6g/h) Apparently its a supplement marketing myth b/s saying otherwise. essentially if you eat a big dinner of 80g of protein, it will release aminos well in to midday the next day. 

 

Leangains protocol wouldnt really suit ketogenic diet; leangains method doesnt do the same thing on a keto diet.

 

i eat 4 meals a day, but it isnt the same, usually variations, but the way i do it i look at what im going to eat, then mentally subtract the fat and protein approximation from my daily requirement; so if i eat a average breakfast, but forget to eat till night time then i know how much i have to eat before i go to sleep, which is probably going to be a lot.

i eat about 110-150g protein and 170-260g fat per day. higher end of the range on days i train

Edited by Advanc3d, 21 May 2014 - 05:10 AM.