forexworld12 attempts to defend Islam by comparing it to the West and Christianity. This is a logical fallacy and our topic is Islam. One could go off topic and argue whether the evils of the West are not worse than Islam which is kind of like comparing Nazi Germany to France but that is not the topic. The topic is Islam. The genetic fallacy comes when a point is brought up and rather than argueing against the point you attack its source and in this case they don't know the source. The big one however is the Red Herring which is being used to defend Islam. It goes like this:
Red Herring
A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim. http://www.nizkor.or...ed-herring.html
forexworld12 attempts to defend Islam by comparing it to the West and Christianity. This is a logical fallacy and our topic is Islam. One could go off topic and argue whether the evils of the West are not worse than Islam which is kind of like comparing Nazi Germany to France but that is not the topic. The topic is Islam. The genetic fallacy comes when a point is brought up and rather than argueing against the point you attack its source and in this case they don't know the source. The big one however is the Red Herring which is being used to defend Islam. It goes like this:
Red Herring
A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim. http://www.nizkor.or...ed-herring.html
I have refuted to all your stupid criticism and baseless allegation Against Islam. All you are concerned about is slave,wives,lamb,death and poison and other various meaningless bullshit and i have replied to them 3x. and you call these thing Evidence AGAINST Islam ? How stupidly naive .
And when you don't have anything else to support your false claims you come up with Red herring .. Lol
If the Topic is "Evidence For Islam" I request you stick to it. I will give you evidence !
forexworld12 attempts to defend Islam by comparing it to the West and Christianity. This is a logical fallacy and our topic is Islam. One could go off topic and argue whether the evils of the West are not worse than Islam which is kind of like comparing Nazi Germany to France but that is not the topic. The topic is Islam. The genetic fallacy comes when a point is brought up and rather than argueing against the point you attack its source and in this case they don't know the source. The big one however is the Red Herring which is being used to defend Islam. It goes like this:
Red Herring
A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim. http://www.nizkor.or...ed-herring.html
I have refuted to all your stupid criticism and baseless allegation Against Islam. All you are concerned about is slave,wives,lamb,death and poison and other various meaningless bullshit and i have replied to them 3x. and you call these thing Evidence AGAINST Islam ? How stupidly naive .
And when you don't have anything else to support your false claims you come up with Red herring .. Lol
If the Topic is "Evidence For Islam" I request you stick to it. I will give you evidence !
Well these issues come from Islam itself. I was asking you questions but you didn't fully answer them and I suspect I know why. I also pointed our several Logical Fallacies in your answers such as you changing the subject. So do you want me to quote the Qur'an or other sources of Islamic doctrine and practice? We can do that. By the way, I never said the things brought up were Evidence "against'" Islam. Another logical fallacy. On top of that, despite your protests you didn't even once answer fully the questions I asked but left out critical parts. How Mohammed died is not "bullshit," as you clam.
forexworld12 attempts to defend Islam by comparing it to the West and Christianity. This is a logical fallacy and our topic is Islam. One could go off topic and argue whether the evils of the West are not worse than Islam which is kind of like comparing Nazi Germany to France but that is not the topic. The topic is Islam. The genetic fallacy comes when a point is brought up and rather than argueing against the point you attack its source and in this case they don't know the source. The big one however is the Red Herring which is being used to defend Islam. It goes like this:
Red Herring
A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim. http://www.nizkor.or...ed-herring.html
I have refuted to all your stupid criticism and baseless allegation Against Islam. All you are concerned about is slave,wives,lamb,death and poison and other various meaningless bullshit and i have replied to them 3x. and you call these thing Evidence AGAINST Islam ? How stupidly naive .
And when you don't have anything else to support your false claims you come up with Red herring .. Lol
If the Topic is "Evidence For Islam" I request you stick to it. I will give you evidence !
Well these issues come from Islam itself. I was asking you questions but you didn't fully answer them and I suspect I know why. I also pointed our several Logical Fallacies in your answers such as you changing the subject. So do you want me to quote the Qur'an or other sources of Islamic doctrine and practice? We can do that. By the way, I never said the things brought up were Evidence "against'" Islam. Another logical fallacy. On top of that, despite your protests you didn't even once answer fully the questions I asked but left out critical parts. How Mohammed died is not "bullshit," as you clam.
These issues do not come from Islam, Islam doesn't promote this but it condemns it .. Your questions were answered in Full, the reference(Bukhari) were given and the links where provided .. You fail to refute them because Bukhari Hadith cannot be refuted Anyhow by any source as it itself is the most high and authentic Source of evidence of all the Hadith's !
How Prophet Mohammed died (the cause was Illness/High fever) is Certainly Of no Use for or against Islam and does not carry any weight as the Quran itself states -
Muhammad is no more than a Messenger: many were the messengers that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? (Surat Al-Imran 3:144).
If the things brought up by you were not Against Islam what is it that you are trying to prove by lamb,poison,wives and slaves ?
Frankly go ahead and Quote directly from the Quran and Hadith, anything against it you say can easily be refuted as most are just misconceptions spread by anti-Islamic website but Still give it a try !
All the crap going on in the middle east has nothing to do with the west, America or Christianity! For a 'religion of peace' the biggest casualties are are Islamists themselves! It's slaughter against fellow Muslims. Muslims have even slaughtering each other for centuries. It's that Sunni vs Shi'ite crap. What happened in Syria, Iraq, Libya and others have been Muslim vs Muslim mostly. Sure the west gets its nose in it, but this started with Muslims killing less extreme Muslims.
Which are you forexworld, Sunni or Shi'ite and what is the difference. What would turn an otherwise peaceful and loving religion into things like the Daesh death cult and why can't everyone get along
I mean ffs, whether we are Christian, Jew, or Muslim we all believe in the same Allah! If the same Osama bin laden was raised in America to a Christian family, he could have been a Jesus loving American patriot. So what gives? Who cares
I agree with you for the most part, What is happening in the East has nothing to do with the West I was just giving an example Murder,rape , killing etc is just not happening in the east it's far more happening in the west, How often do you see each of them on tv and newspaper, Not even 0.1% .. but what ISIS is doing it is highlighted across the Globe , anything and everything happening Is highlighted by the Media. be it big or small. it catches the Eye and flls the brain with hatred . the media no.1 ANti islamist ..
the so Called Muslims in terrorists group have been killing and slaughtering and bombing fellow Muslims , bombing their homes and mosque in the name of caste
It's not just the Christian's or yazidis Suffering ISIS has been killing ,slaughtering way more Muslims in the name of caste,bombing mosque and torturing them. and you call them Islamist ?
In your previous Post you mentioned about this as Idolizing Prophet Mohammed .
Let me ask you a question , what was Prophet Mohammed ?
Was he a Sunni or was he a Shia, or maybe a Wahabbi ,Or Hanafi,Maliki,Shafi,Zahiri,Ahmadiya or Alawi ?
None He was just a Muslim .
Here are two very famous Hadith
The Prophet (sallAllahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said: “The Jews split into seventy-one sects; one will be in Paradise (i.e., those who followed Moses) and seventy will be in the Fire. The Christians split into seventy-two sects; seventy-one will be in the Fire and one will be in Paradise (i.e., those who followed Jesus). And by the One in Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, this Ummah (nation) of mine will split into seventy-three sects; one will be in Paradise and seventy-two will be in the Fire. It was asked, “Who are they, O Messenger of Allah?” He (peace be upon him) said, “Al-Jama’ah (i.e., the group which adheres steadfastly to the way of the Prophet, peace be upon him, and his Companions).” And in another narration: ” (Those who follow) what I and my Companions are following.”at-Tirmidhee (no. 2643)
“The best of people are my generation, then the second, then the third, then there will come a people, having no good in them.”Da’eefah no. 3569, and Saheeh Al Jaami’ no. 3293]
and the Quran Says - "And hold fast to the Rope of Allah, and be not divided among yourselves” Quran 3:103
As you can see Islam and our Prophet himself Forbade Making caste And sects in Islam, Still Do you think ISIS/Al qaeda is Islamist/idolizing the Prophet killing thousands of Muslims in the name of caste?
forexworld12 attempts to defend Islam by comparing it to the West and Christianity. This is a logical fallacy and our topic is Islam. One could go off topic and argue whether the evils of the West are not worse than Islam which is kind of like comparing Nazi Germany to France but that is not the topic. The topic is Islam. The genetic fallacy comes when a point is brought up and rather than argueing against the point you attack its source and in this case they don't know the source. The big one however is the Red Herring which is being used to defend Islam. It goes like this:
Red Herring
A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim. http://www.nizkor.or...ed-herring.html
I have refuted to all your stupid criticism and baseless allegation Against Islam. All you are concerned about is slave,wives,lamb,death and poison and other various meaningless bullshit and i have replied to them 3x. and you call these thing Evidence AGAINST Islam ? How stupidly naive .
And when you don't have anything else to support your false claims you come up with Red herring .. Lol
If the Topic is "Evidence For Islam" I request you stick to it. I will give you evidence !
Well these issues come from Islam itself. I was asking you questions but you didn't fully answer them and I suspect I know why. I also pointed our several Logical Fallacies in your answers such as you changing the subject. So do you want me to quote the Qur'an or other sources of Islamic doctrine and practice? We can do that. By the way, I never said the things brought up were Evidence "against'" Islam. Another logical fallacy. On top of that, despite your protests you didn't even once answer fully the questions I asked but left out critical parts. How Mohammed died is not "bullshit," as you clam.
These issues do not come from Islam, Islam doesn't promote this but it condemns it .. Your questions were answered in Full, the reference(Bukhari) were given and the links where provided .. You fail to refute them because Bukhari Hadith cannot be refuted Anyhow by any source as it itself is the most high and authentic Source of evidence of all the Hadith's !
How Prophet Mohammed died (the cause was Illness/High fever) is Certainly Of no Use for or against Islam and does not carry any weight as the Quran itself states -
Muhammad is no more than a Messenger: many were the messengers that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? (Surat Al-Imran 3:144).
If the things brought up by you were not Against Islam what is it that you are trying to prove by lamb,poison,wives and slaves ?
Frankly go ahead and Quote directly from the Quran and Hadith, anything against it you say can easily be refuted as most are just misconceptions spread by anti-Islamic website but Still give it a try !
Actually, you refuted nothing I said but just confirmed it. However you left a lot out. For example you didn't tell us what happened to the family of the woman before she poisoned Mohammed and his general. Let me ask you, would you eat a meal cooked by a woman whom you just did to her family what Mohammed had done to hers? how about what He had done to the entire city where she lived? Oh yes, you are now saying he had a fever. What a runny nose!
forexworld12 attempts to defend Islam by comparing it to the West and Christianity. This is a logical fallacy and our topic is Islam. One could go off topic and argue whether the evils of the West are not worse than Islam which is kind of like comparing Nazi Germany to France but that is not the topic. The topic is Islam. The genetic fallacy comes when a point is brought up and rather than argueing against the point you attack its source and in this case they don't know the source. The big one however is the Red Herring which is being used to defend Islam. It goes like this:
Red Herring
A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim. http://www.nizkor.or...ed-herring.html
I have refuted to all your stupid criticism and baseless allegation Against Islam. All you are concerned about is slave,wives,lamb,death and poison and other various meaningless bullshit and i have replied to them 3x. and you call these thing Evidence AGAINST Islam ? How stupidly naive .
And when you don't have anything else to support your false claims you come up with Red herring .. Lol
If the Topic is "Evidence For Islam" I request you stick to it. I will give you evidence !
Well these issues come from Islam itself. I was asking you questions but you didn't fully answer them and I suspect I know why. I also pointed our several Logical Fallacies in your answers such as you changing the subject. So do you want me to quote the Qur'an or other sources of Islamic doctrine and practice? We can do that. By the way, I never said the things brought up were Evidence "against'" Islam. Another logical fallacy. On top of that, despite your protests you didn't even once answer fully the questions I asked but left out critical parts. How Mohammed died is not "bullshit," as you clam.
These issues do not come from Islam, Islam doesn't promote this but it condemns it .. Your questions were answered in Full, the reference(Bukhari) were given and the links where provided .. You fail to refute them because Bukhari Hadith cannot be refuted Anyhow by any source as it itself is the most high and authentic Source of evidence of all the Hadith's !
How Prophet Mohammed died (the cause was Illness/High fever) is Certainly Of no Use for or against Islam and does not carry any weight as the Quran itself states -
Muhammad is no more than a Messenger: many were the messengers that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? (Surat Al-Imran 3:144).
If the things brought up by you were not Against Islam what is it that you are trying to prove by lamb,poison,wives and slaves ?
Frankly go ahead and Quote directly from the Quran and Hadith, anything against it you say can easily be refuted as most are just misconceptions spread by anti-Islamic website but Still give it a try !
Actually, you refuted nothing I said but just confirmed it. However you left a lot out. For example you didn't tell us what happened to the family of the woman before she poisoned Mohammed and his general. Let me ask you, would you eat a meal cooked by a woman whom you just did to her family what Mohammed had done to hers? how about what He had done to the entire city where she lived? Oh yes, you are now saying he had a fever. What a runny nose!
I am tired of this Shi* .I am giving you Direct Ref from SAHIH BUKHARI AND SAHIH MUSLIM . Nothing can ever be more authentic than these too ever
The jew woman was set free, she was not Killed but released , Nothing happened to her family . she poisoned the prophet because she wanted to see if he was a real prophet or not ..the hadith which you picked up from anti-muslim websites is fabricated . You can check it below
Then came the poisoning incident, after the conquest of Khaybar. Al-Bukhaari (2617) and Muslim (2190) narrated from Anas that a Jewish woman came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with some poisoned mutton. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ate from it, then he asked her about that. She said, “I wanted to kill you.” He said, “Allaah would not let you do that.” They said, “Shall we kill her?” He said, “No.” He said, I can still see the effect of that on the palate of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
Al-Nawawi said: It is as if the poison still left some trace of blackness etc.
The name of this woman was Zaynab bint al-Haarith, the wife of Salaam ibn Mashkam, one of the leaders of the Jews.
Al-Bukhaari (5777) narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: When Khaybar was conquered, a roasted poisoned sheep was presented to the Prophet as a gift (by the Jews). The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Let all the Jews who have been here, be assembled before me.” The Jews were gathered and the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Will you now tell me the truth, if I ask you about something?” They replied, “Yes.” He asked, “Have you poisoned this sheep?” They said, “Yes.” He asked, “What made you do that?” They said, “We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would have got rid of you, and if you are a Prophet then the poison would not harm you.”
Ahmad (2784) narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that a Jewish woman sent a gift to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) of a poisoned roasted sheep. He sent for her and asked her, “What made you do what you did?” She said, “I wanted to see if you were a Prophet, then Allaah would tell you about it, and if you were not a Prophet the people would be rid of you.” Whenever the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) felt ill as a result of that he would have himself treated by cupping. On one occasion he traveled and when he entered ihraam he felt ill as a result of that and he had himself treated by cupping. The editor of al-Musnad classed it as saheeh.
All other narrations say that the Prophet (peace be upon him) died of a fever, the medical cause of which was not known. In any case, what the woman claimed, which is that her poison was her proof for whether Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a prophet or not, has no foundation. Many prophets of Allah before Muhammad had been killed and their death was not a sign of them being liars. . The Prophet knew about his death from Angel Gabriel and told several of his family members and companions about it. He also referred to his death in the speech of his last pilgrimage, which was months before his death. Allah Almighty also gave him a sign in the Quran by the revelation of Surat Al-Nasr that year, which was a sign for the completion of his message, as Ibn `Abbas explains. Then, he was given a choice between becoming a great king on earth and meeting his Lord, and he chose to meet his Lord (refer, for example, to Al-Bukhari, number 80, and Darami, number 79).
Muhammad is no more than a Messenger: many were the messengers that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? (Surat Al-Imran 3:144).
Whoa.....
Calm down buddy, don't press that detonator just yet, it's just shadowhawks style. You'll get used to it. Well over 100 pages and not a thing learned.
The issue with most people understanding Islam is the fact that they see it only through the media coverage of terrorism.
My neighbourghing country from which my parents are from and I visit it often - bosnia - has a relative majority of muslims and is a relatively muslim country. So where I grew up, being a muslim was like being any other different religion.
There's no extremism universaly and inherently embedded in the practicing of the religion of islam. There are so many followers of islam in the world, the majority does not wage wars or adhere to extremism.
The rule of the ottoman empire (which spread islam through europe and asia for 6-7 centuries) was not at all extreme, in fact they were more civilized than western christian nations regarding civil freedom. Ottoman empire allowed other religions including jews and christians.
While it is true that muslim fractions of sunites and siits have a long lasting "feud" so much is true for many nations, best example is probably my own croats vs. serbs. Also similarly, jews are in fact just another arab tribe with a long lasting feud as well. It is also true that any "big country" can swoop in, release some media crap, stage a few scenes, escalate the feud into open combat and start selling weapons to one or both sides.
It is blatantly obvious that western nations took advantage of this feud to create a divide and conquer, they militarised the area according to their own interest and agenda and they show the world that muslim extremism is the source of the issue. It is easy to do this to a primitive country such as most middle east countries are.
The west is being terrorized, this creates a fear, muslim terrorists are presented as the source of terrorism. The predicate muslim keeps associating itself with the source of the fear (even though maybe only 2% of worldwide muslims support terrorism)....but this is how the brain works.... and so the prejudice against muslims is formed and rationalizations of why it is ok to hate islam begin, such as this thread.
Westerners begin to search the quran for quotes that support their notion of islam being the root of all evil, they rationalize why "muslim" is so associated with fear in their brains, theories are forged, heroes of muslim bashing are born (such as shadowhawk) who find pride in finding(or even forging) new reasons to hate islam and so on.
It becomes more and more acceptable to consider 1/3 of the global population followers of an unacceptable religion(islam) and to present this to oneself as a problem of the world. This is only a heart beat away from considering 1/3 global population to deserve extinction due to unacceptable religion which is in fact extremism of the worst kind and quite comparable to that of ISIL/ISIS however do they call it.
when the U.S. starts living without a single drop of middle east oil and without selling any weapons to the middle east or having anything to do with middle east, you can say that terrorism has nothing to do with oil. until then, you're just being an asshole trying to pin how much it really costs to keep your country going on islam.
All the crap going on in the middle east has nothing to do with the west, America or Christianity! For a 'religion of peace' the biggest casualties are are Islamists themselves! It's slaughter against fellow Muslims. Muslims have even slaughtering each other for centuries. It's that Sunni vs Shi'ite crap. What happened in Syria, Iraq, Libya and others have been Muslim vs Muslim mostly. Sure the west gets its nose in it, but this started with Muslims killing less extreme Muslims.
Do you know the sheer number of people who have died in WW1 and WW2 which featured almost exclusively christian nations? How many wars were there before that? Is christianity not a religion of peace? Turn the other cheek? Let yourself be crucified and so on?
My country has been in a war 20 years ago. Yugoslavia fell apart and fell into war. It was a nation vs nation but also a christianity vs. christianity war (orthodox vs. catholic). Religion (as said, orthodox vs catholic) and "nation" was one of the main flags/colors under which the fighting/pillaging and raping was done.
Westerners are not better than anyone Muslims are not worse than anyone
They are all people.
Western people contain the same percentage of bad guys as do muslims.
Western bad guys give weapons to muslim bad guys in order to serve their interest. Muslim bad guys also server their interest.
Western bad guys use various subversive ways to control their populations towards their goals (media and social control, keep the nation numb with consumerism, drugs and various opiates). Muslim bad guys use Islam to control their population towards their goals
Does anyone really think that "removing"/"banning" (or whatever) of a religion will change the percentage of bad people vs. good people in some nation?
The only thing that makes people "better" is having better conditions to live in (and so having more to lose), not a change of religion or anything like that.
Hypocrisy exists in all religions, but Islam is the worst because all the followers appear deadly passionate but flout the rules for their own joy as they please but will kill others for breaking it.
This is exactly how christianity functioned during the middle/dark ages. People weren't allowed to read the bible and the monarchs and counts and royalty flout whatever they liked as rules.
They literally invented bible quotes on the spot as they saw fit and used them on the illiterate people.
If every Muslim turned atheist, jew or to Christianity, this world would be a far more loving and peaceful place. What does that say of the religion of 'peace'?
This is a completely wrong notion. I've argued that in the above posts and again here. Christianity was abused just the same as is Islam if not worse
It is just history, not current events.
You lot can't seem to understand that different areas of the world are at different points in "development". Obviously the lifestyle of middle east countries is more closer to medieval times than to the western world. But we couldn't just let them be, we had to have their oil so we "invaded" them with our way of life, inventions and weapons. It's like when they break starfleet rules in startrek contacting "prewarp" life... that's what we did.
So we made the whole process, which we went through as well, even more violent for them, with modern weapons. Because we wanted their resources now, we couldn't wait until they develop more.... We didn't care about what they did with their women when we wanted their oil.... As long as all was well, who cares... when things go sour... military action has to be justified and suddenly we're all acutely aware of the "backwardsness" of their lifestyle... It needs to be eradicated...
Also, do not mislead yourself to a conclusion that the west "evolved further" due to christianity being a good or better religion than islam. The west evolved away from the medieval times and islamic nations through plundering of new continents, genocide of natives and reinvention of slavery. The slaves were also stripped of their own religion and forciebly baptised, removing all their culture to make them better slaves. So if anything, significantly more global and more atrocious crimes were cumulatively committed and by followers of the christian religion.
On the shoulders of such crimes the western nations achieved their glory from which they now want to lecture still developing nations.
forexworld12 attempts to defend Islam by comparing it to the West and Christianity. This is a logical fallacy and our topic is Islam. One could go off topic and argue whether the evils of the West are not worse than Islam which is kind of like comparing Nazi Germany to France but that is not the topic. The topic is Islam. The genetic fallacy comes when a point is brought up and rather than argueing against the point you attack its source and in this case they don't know the source. The big one however is the Red Herring which is being used to defend Islam. It goes like this:
Red Herring
A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim. http://www.nizkor.or...ed-herring.html
I have refuted to all your stupid criticism and baseless allegation Against Islam. All you are concerned about is slave,wives,lamb,death and poison and other various meaningless bullshit and i have replied to them 3x. and you call these thing Evidence AGAINST Islam ? How stupidly naive .
And when you don't have anything else to support your false claims you come up with Red herring .. Lol
If the Topic is "Evidence For Islam" I request you stick to it. I will give you evidence !
Well these issues come from Islam itself. I was asking you questions but you didn't fully answer them and I suspect I know why. I also pointed our several Logical Fallacies in your answers such as you changing the subject. So do you want me to quote the Qur'an or other sources of Islamic doctrine and practice? We can do that. By the way, I never said the things brought up were Evidence "against'" Islam. Another logical fallacy. On top of that, despite your protests you didn't even once answer fully the questions I asked but left out critical parts. How Mohammed died is not "bullshit," as you clam.
These issues do not come from Islam, Islam doesn't promote this but it condemns it .. Your questions were answered in Full, the reference(Bukhari) were given and the links where provided .. You fail to refute them because Bukhari Hadith cannot be refuted Anyhow by any source as it itself is the most high and authentic Source of evidence of all the Hadith's !
How Prophet Mohammed died (the cause was Illness/High fever) is Certainly Of no Use for or against Islam and does not carry any weight as the Quran itself states -
Muhammad is no more than a Messenger: many were the messengers that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? (Surat Al-Imran 3:144).
If the things brought up by you were not Against Islam what is it that you are trying to prove by lamb,poison,wives and slaves ?
Frankly go ahead and Quote directly from the Quran and Hadith, anything against it you say can easily be refuted as most are just misconceptions spread by anti-Islamic website but Still give it a try !
Actually, you refuted nothing I said but just confirmed it. However you left a lot out. For example you didn't tell us what happened to the family of the woman before she poisoned Mohammed and his general. Let me ask you, would you eat a meal cooked by a woman whom you just did to her family what Mohammed had done to hers? how about what He had done to the entire city where she lived? Oh yes, you are now saying he had a fever. What a runny nose!
I am tired of this Shi* .I am giving you Direct Ref from SAHIH BUKHARI AND SAHIH MUSLIM . Nothing can ever be more authentic than these too ever
The jew woman was set free, she was not Killed but released , Nothing happened to her family . she poisoned the prophet because she wanted to see if he was a real prophet or not ..the hadith which you picked up from anti-muslim websites is fabricated . You can check it below
Then came the poisoning incident, after the conquest of Khaybar. Al-Bukhaari (2617) and Muslim (2190) narrated from Anas that a Jewish woman came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with some poisoned mutton. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ate from it, then he asked her about that. She said, “I wanted to kill you.” He said, “Allaah would not let you do that.” They said, “Shall we kill her?” He said, “No.” He said, I can still see the effect of that on the palate of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
Al-Nawawi said: It is as if the poison still left some trace of blackness etc.
The name of this woman was Zaynab bint al-Haarith, the wife of Salaam ibn Mashkam, one of the leaders of the Jews.
Al-Bukhaari (5777) narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: When Khaybar was conquered, a roasted poisoned sheep was presented to the Prophet as a gift (by the Jews). The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Let all the Jews who have been here, be assembled before me.” The Jews were gathered and the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Will you now tell me the truth, if I ask you about something?” They replied, “Yes.” He asked, “Have you poisoned this sheep?” They said, “Yes.” He asked, “What made you do that?” They said, “We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would have got rid of you, and if you are a Prophet then the poison would not harm you.”
Ahmad (2784) narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that a Jewish woman sent a gift to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) of a poisoned roasted sheep. He sent for her and asked her, “What made you do what you did?” She said, “I wanted to see if you were a Prophet, then Allaah would tell you about it, and if you were not a Prophet the people would be rid of you.” Whenever the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) felt ill as a result of that he would have himself treated by cupping. On one occasion he traveled and when he entered ihraam he felt ill as a result of that and he had himself treated by cupping. The editor of al-Musnad classed it as saheeh.
All other narrations say that the Prophet (peace be upon him) died of a fever, the medical cause of which was not known. In any case, what the woman claimed, which is that her poison was her proof for whether Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a prophet or not, has no foundation. Many prophets of Allah before Muhammad had been killed and their death was not a sign of them being liars. . The Prophet knew about his death from Angel Gabriel and told several of his family members and companions about it. He also referred to his death in the speech of his last pilgrimage, which was months before his death. Allah Almighty also gave him a sign in the Quran by the revelation of Surat Al-Nasr that year, which was a sign for the completion of his message, as Ibn `Abbas explains. Then, he was given a choice between becoming a great king on earth and meeting his Lord, and he chose to meet his Lord (refer, for example, to Al-Bukhari, number 80, and Darami, number 79).
Muhammad is no more than a Messenger: many were the messengers that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? (Surat Al-Imran 3:144).
Again, this quote does not say what happened to the "Jew Woman" and her Jew family which is what I asked.
Hypocrisy exists in all religions, but Islam is the worst because all the followers appear deadly passionate but flout the rules for their own joy as they please but will kill others for breaking it.
This is exactly how christianity functioned during the middle/dark ages. People weren't allowed to read the bible and the monarchs and counts and royalty flout whatever they liked as rules.
They literally invented bible quotes on the spot as they saw fit and used them on the illiterate people.
If every Muslim turned atheist, jew or to Christianity, this world would be a far more loving and peaceful place. What does that say of the religion of 'peace'?
This is a completely wrong notion. I've argued that in the above posts and again here. Christianity was abused just the same as is Islam if not worse
It is just history, not current events.
You lot can't seem to understand that different areas of the world are at different points in "development". Obviously the lifestyle of middle east countries is more closer to medieval times than to the western world. But we couldn't just let them be, we had to have their oil so we "invaded" them with our way of life, inventions and weapons. It's like when they break starfleet rules in startrek contacting "prewarp" life... that's what we did.
So we made the whole process, which we went through as well, even more violent for them, with modern weapons. Because we wanted their resources now, we couldn't wait until they develop more.... We didn't care about what they did with their women when we wanted their oil.... As long as all was well, who cares... when things go sour... military action has to be justified and suddenly we're all acutely aware of the "backwardsness" of their lifestyle... It needs to be eradicated...
Also, do not mislead yourself to a conclusion that the west "evolved further" due to christianity being a good or better religion than islam. The west evolved away from the medieval times and islamic nations through plundering of new continents, genocide of natives and reinvention of slavery. The slaves were also stripped of their own religion and forciebly baptised, removing all their culture to make them better slaves. So if anything, significantly more global and more atrocious crimes were cumulatively committed and by followers of the christian religion.
On the shoulders of such crimes the western nations achieved their glory from which they now want to lecture still developing nations.
This has been going on long before oil became a big issue. Again this topic is about Islam but it is an Islamic tactic to use red herrings to take the focus off them.
This has been going on long before oil became a big issue. Again this topic is about Islam but it is an Islamic tactic to use red herrings to take the focus off them.
I can't believe somebody can be so ignorant and naive. considering the Dislikes and imbecility you have which I should have noticed way earlier It's not Sane or sensible to indulge In any further Discussion With you.
This has been going on long before oil became a big issue.
What has been "going on"?
People waged wars all over the world, people of every religion, every nation, since ever. What is your point? Muslims are lesser humans? Seriously? History remembers well such rhetorics - from the likes of Hitler.
Again this topic is about Islam but it is an Islamic tactic to use red herrings to take the focus off them.
Islam has been repeatedly compared to other religions and atheism. I was just replying to those statements. My reply is not off topic. Your behavior is increasingly obnoxious though, you're evolving well into a mindless hateful retard who calls everyone who stands against him islamic.
I know the drill, I've been into war, I've seen bad people call out 'you're with us or against us', I've seen such people commit atrocious crimes. You're one such person. True christians are ashamed of people like you calling themselves christian. You uphold no christian value, you spent years here trying to rationalize your hatred instead. There is nothing christian about what you're doing here, it's all pure evil and hatred.
This has been going on long before oil became a big issue. Again this topic is about Islam but it is an Islamic tactic to use red herrings to take the focus off them.
I can't believe somebody can be so ignorant and naive. considering the Dislikes and imbecility you have which I should have noticed way earlier It's not Sane or sensible to indulge In any further Discussion With you.
People waged wars all over the world, people of every religion, every nation, since ever. What is your point? Muslims are lesser humans? Seriously? History remembers well such rhetorics - from the likes of Hitler.
Again this topic is about Islam but it is an Islamic tactic to use red herrings to take the focus off them.
Islam has been repeatedly compared to other religions and atheism. I was just replying to those statements. My reply is not off topic. Your behavior is increasingly obnoxious though, you're evolving well into a mindless hateful retard who calls everyone who stands against him islamic.
I know the drill, I've been into war, I've seen bad people call out 'you're with us or against us', I've seen such people commit atrocious crimes. You're one such person.
True christians are ashamed of people like you calling themselves christian. You uphold no christian value, you spent years here trying to rationalize your hatred instead. There is nothing christian about what you're doing here, it's all pure evil and hatred.
More name calling but then you have done this many times before. Just read the full thread and you can see who the true hater is. I haven't called you names, just asked questions about Islam. .
How did Mohammad die? It is evidence. Here is a kind of snarky video on the subject, I have many other sources, but since name calling seems to be acceptable this will fit right in. Beside there are some good quotes out of Islamic sources which will tell us what happened to the "Jew woman" who poisoned Mohammad.
How did Mohammad die? It is evidence. Here is a kind of snarky video on the subject, I have many other sources, but since name calling seems to be acceptable this will fit right in. Beside there are some good quotes out of Islamic sources which will tell us what happened to the "Jew woman" who poisoned Mohammad.
You'll find several Hundred of Such Anti-Islamic videos on the internet ! these are far from the truth but just for the sake of argument to satisfy your delusion let's assume what you say is correct
you're making a complete fool of yourself . you're paraphrase Lamb,poison,meat and the Jewish woman
Let's assume the Jew woman was killed for poisoning Prophet and killing fellow Muslims , So ?? what is it that you are trying to prove by That ??
Let's assume for a second that the Prophet peace be upon him died 3 long years later from the poison, and didn't die immediately like his companion, Bishr, did. This still does not nullify nor disprove Islam, because even Jesus peace be upon him in the New Testament of the Bible recognized the Jews as evil people who kill the Prophets: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 23:37)" So according to Silas' logic, Jesus and the Prophets are all liars too, because the Prophets who died from the Jews were liars because they were killed, and Jesus was the biggest liar of all for claiming that all of these liars (the Prophets) were Truthful Prophets when they were all liars. Using Silas logic, Jesus and the Biblical Prophets who got killed from the Jews were all liars too. Of course, I as a Muslim believe that Jesus peace be upon him was a Truthful Messenger of GOD Almighty to the Jews. And again, it seems that Allah Almighty did a Miracle by having Prophet Muhammad survive the poison that he ate for 3 years, while his companion died few minutes after he ate it, proving his Prophethood and allowing him to complete Islam. Also, the purpose of the poison was to "get rid of" our Prophet peace be upon him: "....They said, "We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would get rid of you, and if you are a prophet then the poison would not harm you." " This is what the Jews said in the narration that you provided above. Obviously Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was proven to be Truthful, because the poison did not "get rid of him" immediately. Three years is certainly a lot of time for a poisoned person to live! It is obvious that it wasn't the poison that killed our Prophet peace be upon him, but rather Allah Almighty's Will.
. Also, whether or not Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him died from a poison(Which he didn't) Is useless to prove anything , because the Jews in general are responsible for killing Prophets: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 23:37)" Jesus himself recognized that the Jews kill the Prophets. So even if we were to assume that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was killed through poisoning by the Jews, this still would not nullify Islam, nor prove it to be a false religion from Silas' Christian point of view. As shown below, the Prophet's death three years after the poisoning incident while his companion died immediately after he ate from the poisoned lamb, clearly proves that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
(1) Died a natural death and not a poisoned one from eating from the poisoned lamb; (2) Allah Almighty protected the Prophet's life at that time
When Islam was complete, and Allah Almighty was finally satisfied that Islam is a complete and acceptable Divine Religion for us, it was time to end Prophet Muhammad's life: "Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than God; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, God is indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 5:3)" The Jews had certainly failed to disrupt Islam by ending the life of our Prophet peace be upon him quickly without the completion of Islam and its Laws.
Your theories only proves that Jesus in the New Testament is a liar, along with all of the Biblical Prophets who were killed by the Jews. That if we were to assume that Muhammad peace be upon him died from the poison 3 years later after taking it, while his companion died immediately after taking it.
Muhammad is not but a messenger. [Other] messengers have passed on before him. So if he was to die or be killed, would you turn back on your heels [to unbelief]? And he who turns back on his heels will never harm Allah at all; but Allah will reward the grateful.
This has been going on long before oil became a big issue. Again this topic is about Islam but it is an Islamic tactic to use red herrings to take the focus off them.
I can't believe somebody can be so ignorant and naive. considering the Dislikes and imbecility you have which I should have noticed way earlier It's not Sane or sensible to indulge In any further Discussion With you.
Name calling. What evidence.
335 negative votes ..evidently .. And I suppose people from all religion and atheism have a hand in that Not just people who are defending Islam ..In-fact majority of them is coming from other threads ..
addx was right you should be ashamed of calling yourself a Christian . Infact you're not A Christian at all
right? Well Jesus says in Matthew chapter 5 verse 17-19 : "Think not that I have come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I have not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law , till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven So Jesus didn't come to change the old testament or change the laws which had come from the prophets before him, but only to fulfill, so how did the New Testament develop ??
We Muslims believe in Jesus and we follow him and all the prophets before and after him, our belief in Jesus actually makes us more Christians than the Christians themselves,
It says in Leviticus chapter 11 verse 7 -8: "And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you."
Muslims don't eat pork, but the Christians do.
It says in the bible Ephesians 5:18, "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Holy Spirit."
1 Corinthians 6:10: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, NOR DRUNKARDS, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Meaning those who drink alcohol are among those who will not inherit the kingdom of God. Muslims don't drink alcohol, Christians do. Muslims love Jesus, they respect him, they follow him but they don't WORSHIP him. Jesus is the messenger of God not God.
You start off with a genetic fallacy. Attack the critics rather than what is said. To say anything that would be negative about Islam makes you Anti-Islamic. Those Anti folk could not be right.
Then you call me a fool. OK,so I am but that alone does not make me wrong but is simply an ad hominem attack on the person rather than the issue at hand.
Next you assume this fool is right! The JEW WOMAN was killed for poisoning Mohammed for killing her entire family and village. He dies because according to Him his AORTA was cut by the poison. You ask what does this prove? Are you serious. I am not looking for proof but evidence.
Then you attack the Jewish people. They kill the Prophets even Jesus said so. That is why Muslims killed the JEW WOMAN. :( How do we know that Mohmmed was true in killing her family and village He didn’t die right away from the poison, it took Him three years to die in horrible misery. Oh, I missed that. Perhaps you have a point. What is it again? By the way Muhammed hinself said he died of the effects of the poison.
Next you call Jesus a liar if I am right. It was the JEWS. Never mind that Jesus was a JEW as were all the writers of the New Testament. The earliest church was almost entirely Jewish.
Then you again turn your attention to me personally noting the mockers mark me down. Many do this on every post I make. There is nothing I could say, no matter how tame, which does not get marked down. What else could you expect when there are very few theists here and they also are marked down. Hang around and maybe you will catch me. Believe me I have many friends and if the voting was done elsewhere the vote would be quite different. It does not affect me when there are nothing but Logical Fallacies that go along with it. Atheists can be quite bigoted you know. Don’t believe me? I did take the time to document some of this and the comments that went along with it. They have been posted. Shall I give you references.
Then you finish off with dietary laws though I have no idea where this came from. Christians can eat pork and drink wine unlike you. Christ even turned water into wine. However the topic is not Christianity. Lets not start another Red Herring.
Then you again turn your attention to me personally noting the mockers mark me down. Many do this on every post I make. There is nothing I could say, no matter how tame, which does not get marked down.
They do this because you repeatedly insult their intelligence by trying to present your bigotry as truth of something.
No matter how "tame" means really no matter how much you try to hide your religious fascism it always shows.
Each person ever to converse with you has concluded this. No matter how much you pussyfoot around and pretend to be polite it can not make your primary point any better.
You're here claiming that Christianity is the most truer religion and better than other religions (atheism included as a religon).
No matter how you phrase it you're gonna get attacked for that. No matter how "tame", no matter how "polite", no matter how many youtube links, explanations.
Furthermore, the more you try to prove this to others the more it seems untrue. Your need to persuade people about islam being bad, atheism being false and christianity best shows as desperate, shows your own lack of belief, you need others to confirm this and through this they confirm your ability to reason and also defeat your atheistic parents.
What else could you expect when there are very few theists here and they also are marked down. Hang around and maybe you will catch me. Believe me I have many friends and if the voting was done elsewhere the vote would be quite different.
I don't believe you have friends, sorry. Maybe some retards as followers but mutual respect friendship, I think not.
You have no respect for other peoples ability to reason. They only serve as mirrors to your truth-discovering genius. You spend so much time preparing these materials and posts only to admire your deluded victory in debates. Others serve only as mirrors and scenery to support your deluded selfadmiring.
It does not affect me when there are nothing but Logical Fallacies that go along with it.
Your psyche defenses are quite impressive. The ability to consider so many downvotes (on different threads and by different people and over very long periods of time) proof that you're right is something only true narcissists have. You should really start some therapy for NPD.
Atheists can be quite bigoted you know.
Your bigotry has been proven over and over again. The threads you started here about christianity and islam show this quite nice. As all you do is discuss how violent muslims are but simultaneously declare that violence of christians to be offtopic in the identical christian topic.
Don’t believe me? I did take the time to document some of this and the comments that went along with it. They have been posted. Shall I give you references.
You've made so many normal people upset through discussions with you, they all felt like they're banging their head against a wall, they all felt condescended, gaslighted, cheated out of a discussion, they all felt they had a run in with something very insane - you.
Why don't you go argue about all this with your parents? Im sure they deserve to be brainraped by you, since they made you, it seems you did not have a nice childhood.
Why do you repeatedly sustain these arguments on a forum with "mostly atheists that vote you (a christian) down"? I've seen at least 100 people run into these threads and leave, you're still at it, waiting for the 101th to whom you'll again pretend to be "tame", nice and respectful while in fact simply using them to reflect your points as true back at your thus confirming your genius and truth ownership.
The voting stuff was from the christians more than anyone else. It's easy to go through the threads and see that, then the atheists retaliated. I was even contacted to help vote down Shadowdorks and Old Fools posts but as I access this site in my phone on the mobile version voting isn't an option and I haven't been involved in it, even though my own posts were and are heavily voted and targeted by Dork and Fool
You start off with a genetic fallacy. Attack the critics rather than what is said. To say anything that would be negative about Islam makes you Anti-Islamic. Those Anti folk could not be right.
Then you call me a fool. OK,so I am but that alone does not make me wrong but is simply an ad hominem attack on the person rather than the issue at hand.
Next you assume this fool is right! The JEW WOMAN was killed for poisoning Mohammed for killing her entire family and village. He dies because according to Him his AORTA was cut by the poison. You ask what does this prove? Are you serious. I am not looking for proof but evidence.
Then you attack the Jewish people. They kill the Prophets even Jesus said so. That is why Muslims killed the JEW WOMAN. :( How do we know that Mohmmed was true in killing her family and village He didn’t die right away from the poison, it took Him three years to die in horrible misery. Oh, I missed that. Perhaps you have a point. What is it again? By the way Muhammed hinself said he died of the effects of the poison.
Next you call Jesus a liar if I am right. It was the JEWS. Never mind that Jesus was a JEW as were all the writers of the New Testament. The earliest church was almost entirely Jewish.
Then you again turn your attention to me personally noting the mockers mark me down. Many do this on every post I make. There is nothing I could say, no matter how tame, which does not get marked down. What else could you expect when there are very few theists here and they also are marked down. Hang around and maybe you will catch me. Believe me I have many friends and if the voting was done elsewhere the vote would be quite different. It does not affect me when there are nothing but Logical Fallacies that go along with it. Atheists can be quite bigoted you know. Don’t believe me? I did take the time to document some of this and the comments that went along with it. They have been posted. Shall I give you references.
Then you finish off with dietary laws though I have no idea where this came from. Christians can eat pork and drink wine unlike you. Christ even turned water into wine. However the topic is not Christianity. Lets not start another Red Herring.
What evidence more do you want other than the Quran and Bukhari ?
I flooded the whole thread with Evidence directly from Quran and Sunnah and what Happened to the Jew woman .. I gave you direct reference . but you're sooooo Ignorantly Blatantly Blind That nothing that I say . no matter what evidence I show you You'll come up with something Naive which you have proved again and again .. You're posting Bullshi* and not even 1 evidence Provided !
Apparantely It seems like even if I make a time Machine and take you back to the period of Jew woman that will still not be enough!!
I never said Jesus Lied , I only said If I go by the false allegations that you are posting you yourself are only PROVING that Jesus was a liar .
Seriously, Christians are allowed to eat pork and drink wine ? OR you don't know your own bible ? Like I said you should be ashamed of calling yourself a Christian!
Then you again turn your attention to me personally noting the mockers mark me down. Many do this on every post I make. There is nothing I could say, no matter how tame, which does not get marked down.
They do this because you repeatedly insult their intelligence by trying to present your bigotry as truth of something.
No matter how "tame" means really no matter how much you try to hide your religious fascism it always shows.
Each person ever to converse with you has concluded this. No matter how much you pussyfoot around and pretend to be polite it can not make your primary point any better.
You're here claiming that Christianity is the most truer religion and better than other religions (atheism included as a religon).
No matter how you phrase it you're gonna get attacked for that. No matter how "tame", no matter how "polite", no matter how many youtube links, explanations.
Furthermore, the more you try to prove this to others the more it seems untrue. Your need to persuade people about islam being bad, atheism being false and christianity best shows as desperate, shows your own lack of belief, you need others to confirm this and through this they confirm your ability to reason and also defeat your atheistic parents.
What else could you expect when there are very few theists here and they also are marked down. Hang around and maybe you will catch me. Believe me I have many friends and if the voting was done elsewhere the vote would be quite different.
I don't believe you have friends, sorry. Maybe some retards as followers but mutual respect friendship, I think not.
You have no respect for other peoples ability to reason. They only serve as mirrors to your truth-discovering genius. You spend so much time preparing these materials and posts only to admire your deluded victory in debates. Others serve only as mirrors and scenery to support your deluded selfadmiring.
It does not affect me when there are nothing but Logical Fallacies that go along with it.
Your psyche defenses are quite impressive. The ability to consider so many downvotes (on different threads and by different people and over very long periods of time) proof that you're right is something only true narcissists have. You should really start some therapy for NPD.
Atheists can be quite bigoted you know.
Your bigotry has been proven over and over again. The threads you started here about christianity and islam show this quite nice. As all you do is discuss how violent muslims are but simultaneously declare that violence of christians to be offtopic in the identical christian topic.
Don’t believe me? I did take the time to document some of this and the comments that went along with it. They have been posted. Shall I give you references.
You've made so many normal people upset through discussions with you, they all felt like they're banging their head against a wall, they all felt condescended, gaslighted, cheated out of a discussion, they all felt they had a run in with something very insane - you.
Why don't you go argue about all this with your parents? Im sure they deserve to be brainraped by you, since they made you, it seems you did not have a nice childhood.
Why do you repeatedly sustain these arguments on a forum with "mostly atheists that vote you (a christian) down"? I've seen at least 100 people run into these threads and leave, you're still at it, waiting for the 101th to whom you'll again pretend to be "tame", nice and respectful while in fact simply using them to reflect your points as true back at your thus confirming your genius and truth ownership.
A good example of personal ad homiinam attack. It says nothing. By the way, read the thread and you will see that's all this poster does. One long list of calling names and personal attacks. Notice not one word about the topic we have been discussing!!
The voting stuff was from the christians more than anyone else. It's easy to go through the threads and see that, then the atheists retaliated. I was even contacted to help vote down Shadowdorks and Old Fools posts but as I access this site in my phone on the mobile version voting isn't an option and I haven't been involved in it, even though my own posts were and are heavily voted and targeted by Dork and Fool
First it wasn't the Christians. There have been few in here. The Christians have been given the same treatment I have. Finally this post shows there is a campaign going on to mark Theists down. The whole thing is a joke.
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Are you serious. I am not looking for proof but evidence.
